Exactly m8.
I play in the PvP zones a lot with EED running PvP missions, and I accept the risk that I may get blatted by PvPers. I don't moan, I merely get the feck outta dodge and get into my mission.
Badgers that complain about getting killed in PvP zones make me giggly tbh 
Tbh, if I attack someone, and they ask me nicely not too for X reason, then I will probaly do so. But it's when you get the "[censored] off, [censored]" said in BC towards you, then i'll just naturally go for them all the time.
Also, I think that "braggers" may not be a good image on PvP zones, for instance, I was playing my brute in RV, and went for a group of 3 people in Overload, a scrapper, blaster and controller, too be defeated when Overload ran out and my endurance drained, the scrapper stood over me and simply said "puny villain". I would normally class myself as a level headed PvPer, but that made my blood boil.
Some people just need to grow up a little.
More of a badger than PvPer and even I understand and agree with where you're coming from. You get a full warning when entering the zones as to their nature, people just seem to feel free to make up their own rules after that. I'm starting to think that claims that you're not allowed attack for whatever reason should be made petitionable offenses, at least it would disband these people to the other zones so PvP could go on as it should.
Asking people not to attack is one thing, insisting that they don't is another.
Trash talk after being defeated is ok (as long as you don't insult the person, unless you know they'll be ok with it) but giving out to the person as though they'd no right to kill you is not.
If someone comes to kill me and I'm not there for PvP I just leave, simple, the PvPer has more of a right to be there so I accept it and move on, why can't other people?
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In all honesty I might mistake that as an in-character taunt even.
On another note, this is like 3rd or 4th thread out of the same subject in short period of time..
To be honest way to much energy is being wasted on the whole subject in favour of better content for the game.
Better content less moaning.
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In all honesty I might mistake that as an in-character taunt even.
On another note, this is like 3rd or 4th thread out of the same subject in short period of time..
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Yup. I see that as more of an in character taunt.
If he'd said, 'Hah! I owned you noob!" or something then it'd be a different matter.
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There seems to be a rash of, how shall I put it, unsensible people lately who seem to think you can do anything in a PVP zone as long as it doesnt involve killing anyone.
Badge hunters, experience hoarders, duellers etc all seem to think it is okay that they go into the zones, but expect everyone else to play around them.
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Its not a recent phenomenom, theres always been people after badges/xp, just its more obvious due to the threads about it on the forums atm.
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In all honesty I might mistake that as an in-character taunt even.
On another note, this is like 3rd or 4th thread out of the same subject in short period of time..
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I agree. "Puny villain" is a pretty tame phrase to get you all annoyed. God forbid you ever get any of the vile abuse that I've had after a PvP fight.
This subject is unlikely to go away, as long as certain conditions exist... Villains needing to PvP for accolades, badges in PvP zones etc.
If you look at the US forums they pop up on a regular basis and cause a lot of bitter words. I'd get used to it, as I think we'll see more posts of a similar nature - until the dev's sort things out.
If they ever do.... 
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IMHO there is nothing to sort out. Seems that what most people think as well on the forums.
To be honest, although I agree PvP zones are for PvP, the instances where some posters have responded by insulting the PvEr's intelligence or have simply cried out 'It's a PvP zone, deal with it' are simply making the problem worse.
If people actually tried thinking about ways to solve the problem, on both sides of the fence, rather than going 'Get over it', there wouldn't be people complaining all the time. Both side's complainers need to stop acting like spoilt brats, and actually try working towards a solution, rather than the endless "My way's the way it should be" arguments.
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With the increasing number of threads, on both sides of the Atlantic - with a large number of posts, there clearly is something to sort out.
Pretending that there isn't is not really a constructive way to approach it.
For the record I hold the opinion that if you enter PvP zones then you are fair game and must expect to be attacked at any time.
I don't agree with players who get upset for being attacked when they are badge hunting, duelling, in for temp powers or any other non PvP reason. These players must be prepared to defend themselves or make good their escape.
My point is that a large section of the community must enter the PvP zones to acheive their objectives - [u]even if they don't want to.[u]
Until this is sorted, there quite simply is an issue and the threads will continue.
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To be honest, although I agree PvP zones are for PvP, the instances where some posters have responded by insulting the PvEr's intelligence or have simply cried out 'It's a PvP zone, deal with it' are simply making the problem worse.
If people actually tried thinking about ways to solve the problem, on both sides of the fence, rather than going 'Get over it', there wouldn't be people complaining all the time. Both side's complainers need to stop acting like spoilt brats, and actually try working towards a solution, rather than the endless "My way's the way it should be" arguments.
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Well said.
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For some reason reading all these threads has made me want to PvP more 
Let's face it anyway, how many missions have people actually abandoned because they couldn't do them? I could probably count mine on one hand as most real problems are usually solved by recruiting assistance or someone swapping toons. I actually find it a bit of a buzz I dont normally get from the game when I'm doing missions in a PvP zone and I know there are other players out there to watch out for.
Recent expample: doing missions in Warburg and a group of stalkers junmped us. It happened a couple of times as we went between missions. A few of us fell at times but we all got into the missions and did the PvE we were there for. However, when we're about to exit there's an added sense of danger that a critter ambush doesn't give you. "Keep moving when you're outside, no loitering, tank out first to take the first strike....." you get the idea. Hell, I want to feel threatened, it's what the game should be about not farming XP with a heavy while floating in the air at no risk to yourself.
The first time I went into Bloody Bay for Shivans, and my first ever experience of PvP in an MMO, was actually a dissapointment because a bunch of us who had never PvPed went there with expectations of high risk high reward. Unfortunately there were no villains about so it was all a bit of a damp squib.
As a PvEer who occassionally wanders into RV for some PvP I get frustrated when I see my PvE friends get wound up when they get attacked. It's the nature of the beast. Live with the additional thrill that comes with having a real person go after you and leave it you're finding it frustrating.
The name calling and personal insults are unacceptable on either side though. I was attacking a turrret in RV once when a villain appeared (can't remember the AT) so I fought back. I chased for a bit but stopped when it was clear he had outrun me. Next thing I knew i was face down and a stalker was standing next to me. I congratulated the sneaky sod and told him I'd get him next time. I actually remember laughing. Why do people get so worked up over what is only a game?
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To be honest, although I agree PvP zones are for PvP, the instances where some posters have responded by insulting the PvEr's intelligence or have simply cried out 'It's a PvP zone, deal with it' are simply making the problem worse.
If people actually tried thinking about ways to solve the problem, on both sides of the fence, rather than going 'Get over it', there wouldn't be people complaining all the time. Both side's complainers need to stop acting like spoilt brats, and actually try working towards a solution, rather than the endless "My way's the way it should be" arguments.
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Agree - and partly why I applauded Blind Monotaur's thread in suggestions. His idea may be flawed (as he himself has stated), but at least he's trying to think of a solution rather than just shouting out that he's right!
I think that Amellie's thread on Respect in RV may have received such a bad reception though as I'm sure it's the 3rd or 4th similar thread in the past 2 or 3 months. My first thought upon seeing her OP was that a search might have dissuaded her from posting as all the responses were in the last month of threads anyway.
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IMHO there is nothing to sort out. Seems that what most people think as well on the forums.
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With the increasing number of threads, on both sides of the Atlantic - with a large number of posts, there clearly is something to sort out.
Pretending that there isn't is not really a constructive way to approach it.
For the record I hold the opinion that if you enter PvP zones then you are fair game and must expect to be attacked at any time.
I don't agree with players who get upset for being attacked when they are badge hunting, duelling, in for temp powers or any other non PvP reason. These players must be prepared to defend themselves or make good their escape.
My point is that a large section of the community must enter the PvP zones to acheive their objectives - [u]even if they don't want to.[u]
Until this is sorted, there quite simply is an issue and the threads will continue.
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Not really most posts end up saying the current system is fine and not worth altering. Just because you get lots of posts on a topic does not mean it must change IMO the majority are horrified that the minority tend to use forums to have systems changed in there favour.
Most MMO`s have this problem sadly. How many threads have to be started on which power should be nerfed etc. Forums are seen as a war of words and who shouts loudest wins. IMO cryptic will take this onboard and ignore such posts.
Even cryptic have said there are happy with the way PvP zones work.
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What objectives exactly? I can't really figure out this one.
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My point is that a large section of the community must enter the PvP zones to acheive their objectives - [u]even if they don't want to.[u]
[/ QUOTE ]Since when does anyone HAVE to enter PvP zones?
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Villains, to get the badges required for the Villain version of the Atlas Medallion. Badgehunters and people just looking for an extra boost alike.
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Villains, to get the badges required for the Villain version of the Atlas Medallion. Badgehunters and people just looking for an extra boost alike.
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Villains, to get the badges required for the Villain version of the Atlas Medallion. Badgehunters and people just looking for an extra boost alike.
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You want the badge, you HAVE to go in, regardless of whether you want to PvP or not. That's what you asked for.
I'm a dedicated PvE'er, even though I'll indulge in a little PvP from time to time. It's even mostly fun. The main problem is that there seems to be a small subest of people who get into a PvP zone and suddenly revert to the emotional age of five. The insults, the peurile behaviour, everything.
That minority is what puts a lot of people off PvP, to be honest.
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Villains, to get the badges required for the Villain version of the Atlas Medallion. Badgehunters and people just looking for an extra boost alike.
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You want the badge, you HAVE to go in, regardless of whether you want to PvP or not. That's what you asked for.
[/ QUOTE ]Yeah. But then again, "You want to PvP in the zones, you HAVE to go". Both are just as much a choice of the player, and if the player is not forced to go there to do PvP, they are not forced there to gain badges either.
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Villains, to get the badges required for the Villain version of the Atlas Medallion. Badgehunters and people just looking for an extra boost alike.
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None of the above are forced to enter? Ah... My bad. I thought villains still had to go into the PvP zones for Accolades. I didn't realise they had changed that.
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There seems to be a rash of, how shall I put it, unsensible people lately who seem to think you can do anything in a PVP zone as long as it doesnt involve killing anyone.
Badge hunters, experience hoarders, duellers etc all seem to think it is okay that they go into the zones, but expect everyone else to play around them.
The post on this thread, the "toggle pvp" thread in suggestions etc confirm that people really do not get what PVP zones are about.
They quote "respect" or "manners" yet have none for people who use the zones for its intended purpose.
Last night I attacked someone, to be told they were duelling, go to the arena then, I replied, only to be told I should not attack and promptly get abuse from a few players who seemed to think it was their godgiven right to hold up a whole zone because they couldnt be bothered to go to the correct place. Then I was told I was telling them what they couldnt do, after they had lectured me.
How hard is it for these people to understand, PVP ZONES ARE FOR PVP, LIVE WITH IT OR DONT GO IN!!!
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