Spine Scrappers why so many ?
Because they are good in PvP funnily enough. So they go to PvP zones, because they win, because they're good. All is good in the Spines world. Which is good.
They like easy kills.
Spines are the current FoTM (ugh, hate that term, but it's true) because of the -Fly and the reasonably good ranged damage.
Most people are too scared to play Blasters since they nuked toggle drops in zones, which is why there's hardly any around these days. At least not from what I've seen.
Spines is "teh l33t" ever wonder why there are so few of them in PvE and swarms of them in PvP =P
Most used skill is Imaple....hilarious good damage for a ranged skill on a melee set, plus it has -fly and immobilize.
Why bother with a squishy blaster when you can "pwn" as ranged scrapper.
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Because they are one of the easiest builds to play in PvP and some people don't like a challenge.
I dont even play mine anymore....
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Blasters are so much more fun IMO.
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Blasters are so much more fun IMO.
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Yep. Nothing beats the adrenaline of a defiance based kill.
Spines also has lots of toxic damage, unresisted damage I hear you say! woot!
Spines are FOTM, but I'll make grav/energy dominators the new kpwnz0rs soon enough...... mwahahahahahha!
no point in hating on the spines scrappers (even tho i cnt stand them and thats why i made dm/rgn) they'll get a nerf soon enuf plus the higher u get ive noticed the less effective spines scrappers get.i met a spines scrapper in sirens with a rep of 300(ish) not that thats amazing but 4 lvls later when he hits 33 he's getting creamed in warbug? buy sum ss/stone brute why is this so??
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no point in hating on the spines scrappers (even tho i cnt stand them and thats why i made dm/rgn) they'll get a nerf soon enuf plus the higher u get ive noticed the less effective spines scrappers get.i met a spines scrapper in sirens with a rep of 300(ish) not that thats amazing but 4 lvls later when he hits 33 he's getting creamed in warbug? buy sum ss/stone brute why is this so??
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spines and regen peak at 30 imo, throw spines is aoe and isnt high enough burst damage to turn one set awesome like headsplitter does. Regens last 2 powers serve no real purpose in pvp, MOG is nigh on useless for scrappers in warburg and RV due to the crazy amount of psi damage about.
Its perfectly viable for high level pvp but it doesnt really get any better than at SC
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my first char in coh is a spines/regen, after i hit around level 20 or so I discovered that it was the supposed FOTM and supposed overpowered pvper.. But frankly I refuse to reroll based on that alone..
Frankly I dont see what the fuss is about, though I will say squishies have generally been pretty easy to take on, but I have encountered more than one brute who gave me a really hard time, ive lost to a ss/elec brute more than once.. Stalkers I cannot kill short of some luck, buildup/impale/impale both critting is luck enough I guess providing that said stalker is poor enough not to heal before the 2nd impale or poor enough not to placate me after the first crit etc.. I can survive most stalker attacks though EM's drop me like a sack of potatos most days.. I have lost to some extremely powerful masterminds, who I consider to be a massively underrated class..
I dunno, I can see the strength of my character in pvp but I can also see its downfalls. Frankly I don't see what the fuss is about, you wont see a spines/regen doing the best damage in game, you wont find one taking the least damage ingame.. They arent massively overpowered pvp characters in any way shape or form, I dont know why there is a huge number of them around nor do I understand why people whine about them
If your first char is a spine/regen then good luck and have fun with it, you just happened to pick a pair of sets that many many people are picking purely becuase it is strong in lvl 30 pvp. You wont see the benefits till 30ish when you have full slots and SOs ripper and impale with a crit on either will fell a stalker, corr or dom. The main beef with it if you will is the huge damage impale does at range (even worse when it crits) it puts many blasters ranged attacks to shame which is quite frankly stupid as their primary is ranged, its also as powerful as broadswords lvl 26 power and yet is available at lvl 8. Its also more powerful than spines lvl 32 move (which is aoe) so it seems its high damage was intended to boost the lower damage aoe attack but the upshot is that spines has more lower powers that do more damage than other scrapper sets. Other scrapper sets do not equal the damage pre lvl 30.
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well to be fair, im currently 26, with 3so dam in my impale, with buildup critting on a corruptor, the corruptor will not die.. he or she will certaintly feel it thats for damn sure, but 1 hit kill? nah
non crit impales do nice little damage yeah, I love the attack, but its vastly overrated outside of being a crit imo.
I can take one on as a ice/rad providing I get all my rad debuffs on them, after that it really messes them up. If they are using superspeed my lingering radiation along with my ice attacks slows them down. Their impale attack however is deadly and theres been many times I've been killed from it.
Spines regens are pretty much the reason I never PvP. Too much damage too hard to kill and too many of them.
Spines/Regen the ultimate CoH bandwaggon
As one of the first Spine/Regens to reach 50 and the first in PvP. I can say that Spines/Regen does rule and ever since S4 and when PvP Zones were brought into the game spine/regen have taken off. Spines/Regen has always been FOTM. So much so that i really dont play KS anymore as i dont want to be called a One Trick Pony. IE i can only be good with Spines/Regen. I dont think the spines is overpowered as Broadsword is much better damage in RV. although i think maybe regen needs to be looked at again as brutes really dont stand a chance 1 on 1 with a regen ( This is purely my view on Regen and dont wish to start a discussion on it).
For scrappers there is not so many ranged attack sets to choice from there is Claws and Spines. In PvP your always gonna have opponents that will be running for there lives, any none ranged scrapper will struggle to get the final hit, with ranged attacks you can get that final blow well sometimes more so than with a none ranged scrappers.
Claws damage is just too low and poor. So most go for Spines.
My EM/ELA Brute has never beaten any /regen scrapper 1 vs 1. Only time I have taken them down is when I am fighting a team of heroes with pets and heavies in RV. If I use Demonic then Powersurge all those attacks build up lots of fury and I am then able to out damage their heals.
Last night I had a 1 v 1 vs a claws/regen. I did a hideous large amount of damage compared to him over the duration of the fight but every time he got low on hp he would heal to full health. It looked to me that twice during the fight he healed for over 1,000 hp. The only way I think I can find a way of beating any regen is to play one and discover their weaknesses and be able to identify the gaps in their healing chain.
Are any other brutes able to consistently beat any /regens in PVP?
Im not saying nerf regens as it appears they are the rock to my scissors and I know other ATs have to tools to defeat them.
I beat one with my Ice/Rad corrupter but then his mate (another Spines/Regen) came and ripped me a new one before I could recover my Endurance.
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this is why regens cant jump into a group of mobs start laying the smackdown and survive it, while tankers/brutes and to a lesser extent /sr/invul scrappers can. Taking so much damage all at the same time will eventually result in death for those without resistances.
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Come back and say that after using a fully slotted Dull Pain + Instant Healing combo, not to sound condescending or anything, but it really makes a difference.
Yes, with a huge burst of damage, a Regen can be taken down, but all of defence sets have a weak point of some kind, Its just that there aren't that many very high damaging attacks avalible in Siren's, and then after that there still aren't that many.
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Because I'm easymode. Apparently
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And that is the problem, look at the sheer number of long term PvP'ers posting in here saying that, look at the fact that two of the better spine/regen players in Stalk_obot and Knightstalker have said that about their own PvP toons. These are two players who have tried and PvP'd with almost evet AT or build around at some point.
In short, the vast majority of people are supplying plenty of arguments and evidence to show exactly why they're overpowered compared to other AT's. Sure, you can disagree and give reasons saying why you disagree so others can argue back but replying in the manner you are is not doing that and saying people are 'whining', 'ridiculous' and the general sarcasm and thinly veiled insults in your latest posts is doing nothing to prove your point, just alienate anyone reading the thread against you.
If you think they're not overpowered, why don't you try playing some of the other AT's in a PvP zone and see how many times you die, kill and rack up rep. Why do you think spine scrappers are so popular in PvP if not because they're so easy to play?
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Oh well, I am passionate when debating something
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Passionate and insulting are two very different things and I'm sure if people on here accused you of 'whining' or being 'ridiculous' you would see it as insulting and not passionate.
Excuse me, but what is the point in holding a debate when almost all of my posts are being deleted?
I have to assume because there were in no way in violation of any forum rules that simply whoever deleted them didn't like that my arguments were correct.
Yet another tyranical rule of free speech? Welcome to the internet I guess. This will be the last time I engage in any debate on here. I am heavily disappointed.
A pathetic display of power abuse when it was not in the least bit required.
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In short, the vast majority of people are supplying plenty of arguments and evidence to show exactly why they're overpowered compared to other AT's. Sure, you can disagree and give reasons saying why you disagree so others can argue back but replying in the manner you are is not doing that and saying people are 'whining', 'ridiculous' and the general sarcasm and thinly veiled insults in your latest posts is doing nothing to prove your point, just alienate anyone reading the thread against you.
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if insulting someone was my goal, I would come out and insult someone. My posts are'nt made for the point of sarcastically undermining the poster. They do that themselves with the overwhelming contradiction in the bulk of the arguments. I offered alot of solutions to the supposed overpoweredness of the class when the reality is people want them nerfed, they don't want to know how to do deal with them.
That is whining, whether you like me stating it or not, its a lame attitude and im not the one holding it. Don't target me because I say what is obvious.
Its fine to misinterpret my posts and their intention. But presumption has been the downfall of many a great man. Please do not put words in my mouth and presume because I type in a direct mannor that I am being purposefully insulting.
If you debated the posts wouldn't be deleted, the fact is you started taking the discussion personally and lashed out at other posters. That sort of behaviour is usually used as flaming and is very rarely (if ever) tolerated on any board.
Sorry if you feel you have been victimised, I'm sure if you PM Bridger or any of the other reds they'd explain the situation to you.
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Excuse me, but what is the point in holding a debate when almost all of my posts are being deleted?
I have to assume because there were in no way in violation of any forum rules that simply whoever deleted them didn't like that my arguments were correct.
Yet another tyranical rule of free speech? Welcome to the internet I guess. This will be the last time I engage in any debate on here. I am heavily disappointed.
A pathetic display of power abuse when it was not in the least bit required.
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Without getting involved in the original topic, the way the board software works is that if a post is deleted, all replies to that post are also deleted, whether they contravened the rules or not. If you have an issue with your posts being removed, please email Bridger (the moderator of the boards), rather than railing against a tyrannical regime that you have imagined, as it certainly doesn't actually exist.
Thanks.
I do not need an explanation, thanks.
I am perfectly aware that what I wrote was not personal nor were they flames directed at anyone.
Just wondering why every single pvp zone i go in is flooded with spine/rejuv scrappers.