I guess what would determine my answer would be HOW they would get rid of bridging. The whole idea is built upon the fantastic system that is SKing... and if that is negatively impacted. . .
If bridging is "fixed", expect the forums to explode, more than they already have. Like, AE Doom threads times 100.
Thankfully, it won't be long until they discover another way to do it.
Well, bridging is an abuse of the mechanics. The game isn't really meant for that.
It is a real shame that some would feel it is necessary to protect those that are abusing the game.
The game needs to have some sense of Balance. Balance comes from the game reward system being balanced. When people cheat/abuse the system then the balance goes out of whack.
This is what is going on.
Bridging is part of the issue.
If they are reducing the benefits again for this activity, I will be glad. Bridging is only a small component needed in order to stop Ae farming/pl'ing, but this is a step in the right direction.
Is anyone surprised that the Alt_oholic is here insisting everyone play the game just like he does? He's right, everyone with a differing opinion is wrong?
No? I didn't think so.
I think the issue here is again, what defines "abusing the system"? If people are using as it was set up to their benefit, that's not abuse. That's playing smart (if big XP is what you are after). The developers put in the SK system and determined it's values from the get go. It's been in place for YEARS and now all of a sudden, it's abuse? If they choose to re-evaluate the rewards that bridging entails, so be it, but abuse? That's a stretch.
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Maybe they should fix all the MA abuse before they try to do anything else.
My thoughts are this. Bridging has been apart of this game since I started playing. It has always been here. The game dosen't seem to be hurting because of it. Most people are pl'ing via MA anyway. It hardly seems an issue.Why mess with it?
Seems anything other than running storylines is frowned apon. You are either being accused of farming, pl'ing, grinding, just plain ole lvling to fast.
Seems if you don't play this game the way another person does people get mad. So this is an easy fix.
*start sarcastic rant*
1. Remove badges. I like badging. I have friends who don't care for them. Since they don't like them lets remove them.
2. Remove farming. A friend of mine was in a farm and got a purple recipe. He was doing the same mission over and over again and was rewarded for it. He should have been doing the same 6 tf's over and over again instead. Farming is bad.
3. Lets remove purple recipes all together. It's not fair that you have influnce to buy them cause you play more than me. Infact lets go ahead and put a time limit on how long you can play. That way we are all the same.
Until everyone plays the same this game is broken.
*end rant*
I have no problem with how anyone in this game chooses to play. Except the people that have been playing for 4 days and are running around on lvl 35's talking about how this is the first time they left Atlas. I think thats a shame. But who am I to judge. It's not my 15 bucks, and I don't have to team with them. (I do try to help these people though)
I have to agree with you Az on bridging, this is not abusing the system. Most people I know that has done the pl like that here, they were just pl'n their own alts. What is the big deal with that one?
Some of the AE problems that are actual exploit in farming is a problem bridging is not, cause as other people stated this directly affects the sk system.
Do I farm or PL? I do not, but that is my choice I can lvl chars enough playing the game the way I do. This choice does not hurt everyone else in Triumph or in the game.
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After reading the OP again, if they are going on a few people at the comic-con to stop this bridging then I hope greatly they do some more data-mining or random private questionaires or something to get a true spectrum on what people ideas on it is.
Don't sweat Positron he is just a mean old ex-dungeon master. No bag-of-holding for you! So glad the system that has been in place forever and NO ONE has mentioned until now is suddenly the forerunner for drama.
You know I had a stupid rant the other day about this game. Then I remembered this is just a dumb [censored] game. Dumb. Superheroes taking the subway to fight crime. But I love the pretty colors and funny people so I remind myself not to make it a foundation of my life...even though I have been doing it close to four years, it isn't everything. So when moments like this show up, I now count to ten, drink some Southern Comfort and laugh. It helps alot. Ha-ha-HAH! Take that!
But not to worry, they are also breaking...errr changing the boards...try to be first to log in and steal the board name of your friends!
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The thing that concerns me is how will they identify bridging and not friends actively playing together side kicked. The side kick feature is one of the reasons i've stayed around the better art of 5 years.
New players ahve less high level alts and when they want to play with friends/sg members they will no doubt have to sk more often than not. If they get no reward or very little reward why would they bother teaming with friends when perhaps they could do better for themselves solo?
I don't think that I would be affect3ed if bridging disappeared, the auto sk feature in AE has removed most of the requests I see for bridges. I guess I don't see the logic in adding a difficulty slider for auto farming and then taking away the easy leveling. Those that want to play through the content will, and those that would rather get to 50 and grind merits or farm inf will.
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The people opposed to bridging and farming (farming in particular) are the self-righteous "my way or the highway" people that also complain about how expensive IOs are. Take away the farmers and they'll only cry harder.
Alt, you of all people should realize that when changes are made that are supposed to curb farming or PLing it's not the farmer/PLer that gets hurt the most. They make a change to curb farming or PLing? Great, good for them. As soon as a change goes live I'll already have another way to do it, while the "casual player" starts to feel more and more restricted because they can't think outside of the box and can't accept that some people just don't want to play the same way they do.
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I can actually think of a couple of possibilities for eliminating bridging while still having the ability to team with diverse levels. The auto-sk/exempt system is one way, the gm/invasion code would be another. Perhaps everyone will be auto set to the level of the mission.
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The new difficulty slider will still help those who want to level up quickly, just without having to bother others.
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I suspect that the upcoming new slider for difficulty combined with the auto sk of the AE will BE the "fix for bridging".
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Don't sweat Positron he is just a mean old ex-dungeon master. No bag-of-holding for you! So glad the system that has been in place forever and NO ONE has mentioned until now is suddenly the forerunner for drama.
You know I had a stupid rant the other day about this game. Then I remembered this is just a dumb [censored] game. Dumb. Superheroes taking the subway to fight crime. But I love the pretty colors and funny people so I remind myself not to make it a foundation of my life...even though I have been doing it close to four years, it isn't everything. So when moments like this show up, I now count to ten, drink some Southern Comfort and laugh. It helps alot. Ha-ha-HAH! Take that!
But not to worry, they are also breaking...errr changing the boards...try to be first to log in and steal the board name of your friends!
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Don't sweat Positron he is just a mean old ex-dungeon master. No bag-of-holding for you! So glad the system that has been in place forever and NO ONE has mentioned until now is suddenly the forerunner for drama.
You know I had a stupid rant the other day about this game. Then I remembered this is just a dumb [censored] game. Dumb. Superheroes taking the subway to fight crime. But I love the pretty colors and funny people so I remind myself not to make it a foundation of my life...even though I have been doing it close to four years, it isn't everything. So when moments like this show up, I now count to ten, drink some Southern Comfort and laugh. It helps alot. Ha-ha-HAH! Take that!
But not to worry, they are also breaking...errr changing the boards...try to be first to log in and steal the board name of your friends!
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Can I still have your wife? I promise to replace the batteries when we are done.
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Non-AE farming is the only thing that uses bridgeing in this game in that sense of the word. All they would have to do is either remove the thing that requires you to be within an average of 5 levels (remember how it used to be 10?) or auto sk the rest of the team to a minimum level. To PLers it will have no effect on them unless the devs do something totally illogical (which now that i say that it will effect more then PLers since ... ya...). So I think the real question is why are they thinking of doing this? What is the point?
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I would like to have seen Posi define what he thinks bridging is before putting out a poll to the fanboys and doomsayers.
i smell the ban bat or post deletion bat coming for Rikti........
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Well, if they want to stop PLing, but keep most of the nice parts about SKing, they could set it such that *if* you are SKed, you can earn XP as if you were on a team of similar size BUT as if all of your team members were YOUR level. ie the SKed people can't reap the benefit of the level disparity like an *actual* toon 5 levels below. Then they still get XP, they still get the benefits of a large team, they get the benefits of the enemy lvl difference, but none of the 'bridging' bonus. You *can* play with your friends, you just won't level faster than playing with equal level toons.
...but that's just me
I'd rather see an entire issue devoted to long standing bug fixes, SG/VG improvements, Base improvements, more villainside content etc. before "fixing" bridging.
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Well, if they want to stop PLing, but keep most of the nice parts about SKing, they could set it such that *if* you are SKed, you can earn XP as if you were on a team of similar size BUT as if all of your team members were YOUR level. ie the SKed people can't reap the benefit of the level disparity like an *actual* toon 5 levels below. Then they still get XP, they still get the benefits of a large team, they get the benefits of the enemy lvl difference, but none of the 'bridging' bonus. You *can* play with your friends, you just won't level faster than playing with equal level toons.
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The only thing about this idea is that an sk would not get any additional reward for facing far greater risk. That wouldn't always be the case but if it were ever true it would be disheartening. People will go fight Hellions instead of Nemesis if that is the case. Now there will still be the cases where players door sit and don't face any risk at all, but that situation isn't restricted only to "bridging".
Considering people can make missions in AE that auto bridge for power leveling purposes, I don't see the logic in tackling normal old school hardly used any more bridging. But because this is the internet I can make a sweeping DOOM claim without all the facts. So either a lot more overhauls are on the way that go beyond bridging or players that are actually "playing" will be hurt by this.
As always I reserve the right to change my stance at any point in the future that will continue to allow me to be correct or prove I would have been correct except for some totally unforeseeable detail that may or my not actually be unforeseeable.
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Well, if they want to stop PLing, but keep most of the nice parts about SKing, they could set it such that *if* you are SKed, you can earn XP as if you were on a team of similar size BUT as if all of your team members were YOUR level. ie the SKed people can't reap the benefit of the level disparity like an *actual* toon 5 levels below. Then they still get XP, they still get the benefits of a large team, they get the benefits of the enemy lvl difference, but none of the 'bridging' bonus. You *can* play with your friends, you just won't level faster than playing with equal level toons.
...but that's just me
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The only thing about this idea is that an sk would not get any additional reward for facing far greater risk. That wouldn't always be the case but if it were ever true it would be disheartening. People will go fight Hellions instead of Nemesis if that is the case. Now there will still be the cases where players door sit and don't face any risk at all, but that situation isn't restricted only to "bridging".
Considering people can make missions in AE that auto bridge for power leveling purposes, I don't see the logic in tackling normal old school hardly used any more bridging. But because this is the internet I can make a sweeping DOOM claim without all the facts. So either a lot more overhauls are on the way that go beyond bridging or players that are actually "playing" will be hurt by this.
As always I reserve the right to change my stance at any point in the future that will continue to allow me to be correct or prove I would have been correct except for some totally unforeseeable detail that may or my not actually be unforeseeable.
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you just wasted a few minutes of my life with reading your bull... thanks
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Well, if they want to stop PLing, but keep most of the nice parts about SKing, they could set it such that *if* you are SKed, you can earn XP as if you were on a team of similar size BUT as if all of your team members were YOUR level. ie the SKed people can't reap the benefit of the level disparity like an *actual* toon 5 levels below. Then they still get XP, they still get the benefits of a large team, they get the benefits of the enemy lvl difference, but none of the 'bridging' bonus. You *can* play with your friends, you just won't level faster than playing with equal level toons.
...but that's just me
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The only thing about this idea is that an sk would not get any additional reward for facing far greater risk. That wouldn't always be the case but if it were ever true it would be disheartening. People will go fight Hellions instead of Nemesis if that is the case. Now there will still be the cases where players door sit and don't face any risk at all, but that situation isn't restricted only to "bridging".
Considering people can make missions in AE that auto bridge for power leveling purposes, I don't see the logic in tackling normal old school hardly used any more bridging. But because this is the internet I can make a sweeping DOOM claim without all the facts. So either a lot more overhauls are on the way that go beyond bridging or players that are actually "playing" will be hurt by this.
As always I reserve the right to change my stance at any point in the future that will continue to allow me to be correct or prove I would have been correct except for some totally unforeseeable detail that may or my not actually be unforeseeable.
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you just wasted a few minutes of my life with reading your bull... thanks
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Well, if they want to stop PLing, but keep most of the nice parts about SKing, they could set it such that *if* you are SKed, you can earn XP as if you were on a team of similar size BUT as if all of your team members were YOUR level. ie the SKed people can't reap the benefit of the level disparity like an *actual* toon 5 levels below. Then they still get XP, they still get the benefits of a large team, they get the benefits of the enemy lvl difference, but none of the 'bridging' bonus. You *can* play with your friends, you just won't level faster than playing with equal level toons.
...but that's just me
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The only thing about this idea is that an sk would not get any additional reward for facing far greater risk. That wouldn't always be the case but if it were ever true it would be disheartening. People will go fight Hellions instead of Nemesis if that is the case. Now there will still be the cases where players door sit and don't face any risk at all, but that situation isn't restricted only to "bridging".
Considering people can make missions in AE that auto bridge for power leveling purposes, I don't see the logic in tackling normal old school hardly used any more bridging. But because this is the internet I can make a sweeping DOOM claim without all the facts. So either a lot more overhauls are on the way that go beyond bridging or players that are actually "playing" will be hurt by this.
As always I reserve the right to change my stance at any point in the future that will continue to allow me to be correct or prove I would have been correct except for some totally unforeseeable detail that may or my not actually be unforeseeable.
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you just wasted a few minutes of my life with reading your bull... thanks
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yea i was trying to figure out how that took a few mins to read
So, I was down at Comicon today and went up to the panel for COH. After discussing their history as a game and company, Going Rogue, and a few other tidbits, Positron asked the crowd, right before the Q&A to indicate by their applause their vote on the question "If we could get rid of bridging, would you want us to do it?" The yes's were louder than the few of us who opposed.
Now don't get me wrong, I don't PL. I never have, never will. But if someone has a burning urge to level as fast as they can, why should I care? Especially with the new difficulty slider coming up. I think it's a shame that there's now a specific way one should play in order to be a part of this game. I don't understand the need of the dev team to continue to alienate players who pay just as much as everyone else does.
On a side note, Going Rogue (what little they told us) sounded like it'll be really good.
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