AE: Good Idea or Bad?

Texas Justice · 07-26-2009 08:41 PM

It's a forum where those who pay for their accounts can post. You may have asked for an open debate/discussion, but you cannot control the postings of other players, nor will the moderators as long as they are within the forum rules.

You can't control how or what they post any more than you can control how they play the game.

EDIT: And you ARE getting discussion. It's just not a bunch of people QQ'ing and agreeing with you. Mostly it's people pointing out that there are already dozens of threads just like this and that we really don't need MORE of them. If you want to discuss it, just post in one of the existing threads instead of making another QQ AE broke the game thread.

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Doctor_Gemini · 07-26-2009 09:12 PM

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ok, all I asked for was a open debate/discussion. Not some childish banter. This thread was opened simply to give everyone an opportunity to state their viewpoint on AE. Not to be insulting or to exhibit (again) childish behavior. Please keep the comments to the thread topic and leave the immaturity to yourselves.

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Childish behavior begets childish behavior. When there are about 50,000 threads on this very subject in this forum, starting a new one is not a "mature" decision.

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Shadow Wail · 07-26-2009 09:14 PM

AE is neutral... the lazy, greedy players are bad... remove the XP and you keep the neutrality of the system...

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UberGuy · 07-26-2009 09:16 PM

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ok, all I asked for was a open debate/discussion. Not some childish banter. This thread was opened simply to give everyone an opportunity to state their viewpoint on AE. Not to be insulting or to exhibit (again) childish behavior. Please keep the comments to the thread topic and leave the immaturity to yourselves.

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If you think the forum public is going to abide by your wishes, especially when you follow up your call for debate with a highly polar opinion of you're own, then you're painfully naive.

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Zanthar · 07-26-2009 10:53 PM

*Loads shotgun and sighs*
Now Billy, i told you not to bring anymore MA threads home, i warned you, so you only have yourself to blame. Now come with me behind the shed as I put it out of our misery. No dont look away, you have to man up some time, we cant have these running wild.
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Tonality · 07-27-2009 12:25 AM

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ok, all I asked for was a open debate/discussion. Not some childish banter. This thread was opened simply to give everyone an opportunity to state their viewpoint on AE. Not to be insulting or to exhibit (again) childish behavior. Please keep the comments to the thread topic and leave the immaturity to yourselves.

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Just in case you forgot: A reminder

1) That there are way too many threads on this topic.
2) That people open their mouth before thinking.
3) It's all been said before.

I'll give you 100 million inf if you not one of those links has a discussion on the merits of AE.
Even more specific I bet you that somewhere in those topics somebody argues that AE is good and that somebody disagrees and states that it is bad and that said discussion lasts at least a page.

My money is safe.
(unless a forum purge eliminates all the past topics, in which case, my wager is null and void)

The reason a lot of people, including myself, show disdain is because for the past two months we've been inundated with threads declaring that AE will ruin the game. I probably got about 250 or so of my post count based from AE threads (you could say I farmed them!). In the end, the thing I learned was there were legitimate concerns on both sides and a ton of useless arguments. I just don't see these threads being productive. However, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and answer your question. I hope your thread turns out better than the hundreds of others have.

To answer your question:
AE is a wonderful innovation. It can be fun, just like everything else in the game. It has greater potential for abuse, but also great potential for fun. There are times where I enjoy playing a mission specifically designed for a certain character. Is it farmable? Sure. Is it something you'll see broadcasted as a farm? Nope. A lot of the tools that allow for farming also allow for great fun. For me, at times, I just want to rip through enormous mobs for the fun of it. AE lets me do that. Yes, I'm farming, but there is always risk on my maps. It's why I enjoy fighting eldersnakes redside so much - it's a challenge, and in that case, the rewards are actually less than the risk.

Zanthar · 07-27-2009 03:12 PM

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AE is a wonderful innovation. It can be fun, just like everything else in the game. It has greater potential for abuse, but also great potential for fun.

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"With great power comes great responsibility" sorry had to do that =) However to answer the post with my own views. I dont see anything wrong with AE to be sure. Can it be abused? Yeah sure but so can a number of things. I enjoy seeing mission that other players make (some done very well!) and it breaks having to do the same old missions every time i decide to roll a new character. Would i run them if they had no rewards? no, I probably would not. I wouldent run any mission if i didnt have something to gain from it (unless its helping a friend or VG mate). sad thing is i prefer to run the normal missions rather than the AE ones anyway but never would i dream of taking away the AE system just because I felt it took away from my own play style.

baron_inferno · 07-27-2009 07:19 PM

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Frankly, I still think it was a good idea. Maybe now other mmos will understand that their fanbase isnt one homogenous group of roleplayers or hardcore pvpers or raiders.

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Quick note. I don't think AE or more specifically, player created content, is a bad idea. I've said as much in my original post. However from an implementation standpoint, I don't think tools like AE should be given to the players unless the company is willing and capable to deal with all the issues that come with it. After all, things like AE is a constantly evolving monster prone to take on a life of its own. We've seen that much happen in the few short months since the release of AE. To put it bluntly, I'm highly skeptical that a tiny division/comapny like PS is capable of devoting the manpower and resources required to handle AE in its current incarnation in the long run. At least not without sacrificing significant man hours that could be put into the development of other areas of the game.

With that said, could PS get help from NCSoft if additional employees or funding is required to maintain this system? Sure, it's possible as anything is possible. However realistically speaking, we're talking about a 5 years old game that appeals to a niche audience and is not currently one of the major money makers for NCSoft. All of that translate to no, I doubt NCSoft will pony up the funding if PS needs the help. They'd sooner shut the servers down.

Mercenaire · 07-28-2009 05:54 AM

Good idea or bad ? I'd say excellent but dangerous idea.

It's definately great to be able to create missions, and exciting to complete some of them.
BUT the way it's farmed actually is pretty ridiculous.

King_Moloch · 08-16-2009 11:13 AM

As is always the case, my judgement alone is the proper and valid one.

I do hereby rule:

MA was a fantastic idea so poorly implemented that it has become the third component of the DOOOOOOM Trifecta. It is now to be mentioned alongside such great works of programming genius as ED, and GDN.

I have ruled.

You are dismissed.

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Icelock · 08-16-2009 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by King_Moloch

As is always the case, my judgement alone is the proper and valid one.

I do hereby rule:

MA was a fantastic idea so poorly implemented that it has become the third component of the DOOOOOOM Trifecta. It is now to be mentioned alongside such great works of programming genius as ED, and GDN.

I have ruled.

You are dismissed.

Funny, as I think those are three of the best things to happen to this game. They could have been better presented and the overall player reaction to them was probably not what the devs wanted, but as for the actual game mechanics impact I find them to have improved the game substantially

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Bright Shadow · 08-16-2009 01:28 PM

This thread won't be fun till The_Alt_oholic comes in!

MaestroMavius · 08-16-2009 01:34 PM

Thankfully the AE threads have yet to reach the level of ED hysteria.
Man, I remember the week that was announced.
Was like someone (Jack) dropped an Atom bomb on the forums and then offered hydrochloric acid to soothe the burns...

I've yet to see any forum go nuclear like that...
I remember being one of the ones fumming, as I'd just gotten used to how to slot 1Acc 5Dam, I refused to believe ED would do anything other than kill the game. Looking back it was one of the best changes to come along!

I can understand the community being tired of seeing these but it 'is' an issue. We've basically got players coming out of the woodwork. Making their 1st post on the boards after playing silently for years. It's little wonder they aren't bothering to use Search. They percieve a threat to the game they love and thus come here to hit the proverbial panic button.
Irregardless of your personal view point on AE. The simple fact that we're seeing these means it's an issue.

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Ahmon · 08-16-2009 03:46 PM

Good idea, but they need to polish it quite a bit more before it becomes what the developers wanted.

Xyzyx · 08-16-2009 04:11 PM

AE is neutral, like eating a sandwich.

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JennyMachX · 08-16-2009 09:55 PM

AE is killing the game.

AE is creating premature burn-out, not good for CoX long-term wise.

AE is creating a massive drop in subscriptions from massive burn outs.

AE players are automatically bad players and I don't want them in my teams.

If someone doesn't have a 3-month vet badge and is level 50 I kick them from my team. AE's fault.

Doing radio missions over and over is a more legitimate way to play the game.

I have trouble finding teams but have yet to try starting them myself, nor bother to try global channels. I blame AE nonetheless.

AE is killing the market.

AE farmers are bad bad people. I am better than them because I play the game the "right" way.

I can't think of any more hyperbolic anti-AE DOOM.

Bright Shadow · 08-16-2009 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by JennyMachX

AE is killing the game.

AE is creating premature burn-out, not good for CoX long-term wise.

AE is creating a massive drop in subscriptions from massive burn outs.

AE players are automatically bad players and I don't want them in my teams.

If someone doesn't have a 3-month vet badge and is level 50 I kick them from my team. AE's fault.

Doing radio missions over and over is a more legitimate way to play the game.

I have trouble finding teams but have yet to try starting them myself, nor bother to try global channels. I blame AE nonetheless.

AE is killing the market.

AE farmers are bad bad people. I am better than them because I play the game the "right" way.

I can't think of any more hyperbolic anti-AE DOOM.

You forgot...

DOOOOOOM!!!!!!

rainmaker · 08-17-2009 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by MEdelen

In my own opinion, AE was the worst thing that could have been done.... Noone seems to want to do anything else but play AE missions. I can't get a TF or a regular mission team for anything. And now with issue 16 allowing people to solo missions (including AE missions) set for a full 8 man team...there will be people not wanting to even form a team.. Before AE, there was mission team, farm teams, TF teams, etc.... The farms was good only b/c of the drops. AE doesn't even give you that.... and b/c noone is playing a regular non-AE mission anymore, drops are scarce and the price of them are outragious. So it even affects the market.

Owned this game about 5 years. CoV came out and I lost the time for it in my life... I've been a very sporadic subscriber since then.

AE brought me back. Big time. My accounts been active six months solid.
I like to think my presence is good for the game.
My 15 bucks a month helps.
I love comming home from work and tweaking my arcs. No one may play them but I dont care. I live the possibilities of story telling. I team, I do TFs and I solo people's content in MA.
My enthusiasm is good for the game. I've brought two new players with me.

That starts with MA.

Hugginator · 08-17-2009 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by baron_inferno

I don't think AE or more specifically, player created content, is a bad idea. I've said as much in my original post. However from an implementation standpoint, I don't think tools like AE should be given to the players unless the company is willing and capable to deal with all the issues that come with it. After all, things like AE is a constantly evolving monster prone to take on a life of its own. We've seen that much happen in the few short months since the release of AE. To put it bluntly, I'm highly skeptical that a tiny division/company like PS is capable of devoting the manpower and resources required to handle AE in its current incarnation in the long run. At least not without sacrificing significant man hours that could be put into the development of other areas of the game.

QFT. This sums it up for me, and the evidence is plainly obvious that the devs have been abysmally slow in 'fixing' anything AE related, whether its game mechanics or subscribers.

MaestroMavius · 08-17-2009 05:39 PM

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the evidence is plainly obvious that the devs have been abysmally slow in 'fixing' anything AE related, whether its game mechanics or subscribers.

More than likely thats because of Going Rogue...
With a little bit of not knowing what to do added in...
I wouldn't call it abysmally slow, seeing as they rushed it out, then rushed out a patch a few weeks later...

I call it a work in progress that happened to make it live.

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LordXenite · 08-18-2009 07:28 AM

Like any tool, AE is itself neither good, nor bad. Anything else is however open for discussion.

I believe that a Kheldian Gold Standard should be based on SO's, and for anything above that... there's Platinum!

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Bright Shadow · 08-18-2009 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by LordXenite

Like any tool, AE is itself neither good, nor bad. Anything else is however open for discussion.

Are you telling me that you are willing to discuss the goodness or badness of pie?

*GASP!*

SHUN THE NON-BELIEVER!

LordXenite · 08-18-2009 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Bright_Shadow

Are you telling me that you are willing to discuss the goodness or badness of pie?

Of course I am! If it's a badly made pie, would it not be a disgrace to all pies to all that is pie? Have you no shame and no discriminating taste so much so that you would take a badly made pie and not throw it in the face of its make and demand a better made pie?! Shame *I* say!

Repeat after me: "Bad pie baaaaad! Good pie... Gooooooooood!

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Haruu · 08-18-2009 08:26 AM

Bright Shadow · 08-18-2009 08:33 AM

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