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but this isn't as complicated as real world economics.
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...since no player controls the means of production.
Lots of real world activity around protecting such things and forecasting industry trends to not be put out of business.
CoX is way more predictable.
Bid early in the week, be willing to wait, price slightly above any observed flipping activity, bid on 2 (1 to use, 1 to sell), and then go out and do things that might net you the desired item while you wait.
Easy. I do it across over 80 characters. No price hats necessary.
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We agree that lack of supply is the main culprit, but even when supply of purples goes back up, the supply will remain low enough that it is easy to completely control the price by buying everyone that hits the market IF you are an evil marketeer with billions saved up. When there is only one or two of something listed per month, there is always going to be someone out of the thousands that play this game that is willing to pay it...even if it means buying inf from a .com, which is even worse for the game.
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One or two of something a month??
What?
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Some purples and the new PvP IOs.
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You can't have an opinion on objective facts...they're either right or wrong! I have a relative who posted on Facebook, "It's 103 degrees outside and my landscapers are doing the lawn. I'm glad I'm not Mexican!!" I called her out as a racist and she said that was my opinion and we'd have to agree to disagree. (TRUE STORY, BTW) No, she is a racist. There's no opinion involved.
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....or maybe she was trying to say that 99% of the people that work hard outdoors in the sun all day around her community are Mexican and she is glad she doesn't have to do that stuff BUT just did a poor job at getting her message across and your the one that is an over sensitized politicly correct nub that jumped on her and accused her of being a racist when in fact her only crime was not acutely clarifying the intention of her post.
If you can't see that your little analogy was complete opinion you shouldn't even be posting your thoughts.
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Look, I'm sure you know alot more about economics than me, but this isn't as complicated as real world economics.
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Then why are you making up an elaborate conspiracy theory to explain the dirt simple reality of supply and demand?
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I'm talking about purple recipes that are so rare you only have to buy 5 or 6 a month to control them. If you have the Inf, anyone can do it.
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Please explain how.
Again, you're big on conspiracy and short on details.
Explain how so I can blow holes in your argument.
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no it isn't.
there are any number of "rare" recipes in the game that aren't worth squat because nobody wants them.
Supply is only half the equation.
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no it isn't.
there are any number of "rare" recipes in the game that aren't worth squat because nobody wants them.
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Many of the most worthless recipes in the Merit Roll/Gold Roll pool have significantly less supply due to the weighted drops. And yet they're still completely worthless.
But clearly supply is the only factor......
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do I WANT to drop 500mil on a single recipe?
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get out of the IWANTITNAO mind set and place a bid that is just enough to get what you want and wait. that is how i do it. might take a day or a week. but you will get it.
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I currently have 3 bids outstanding for an Armageddon triple and 2 Apocalypse triples. Each bid is for slightly over 100mil, and have been sitting for a month. I WANT those recipes, but considering the amount of work it takes me to make 100mil, I believe they are not worth more than that. Yet people are paying 200-500mil redside for these. I guess they want it more NAO than I do, and have more spare time to make that inf. Mr. Quint, stop acting like everyone around you is a noob and get over yourself. Not everyone thinks 10-25% of the inf cap for a single recipe is a worthwhile investment.
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so what are you doing with the drops that you get that you don't need? selling them to a vendor? why not spend some time at the market doing some research bout the recipe and made enhancement and see which is going for more then sell it in the way that will get you the highest amount. doesn't take a genius to figure that out. then you won't just be earning inf from doing the run but also from marketing your stuff you don't want/need at this time.
oh and just because most people stil don't seem to understand: PURPLES ARE SUPPOSSED TO BE ULTRA RARE. get over it.
i have plenty of toons that i would like to have purples in but i don't. big freakin deal. i wait for them to drop or wait for a bid to fill.
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Wow! I've learned so much from you in the last 30min than I have from reading this forum since i9 went live! /sarcasm off
Get over yourself dude, I've learned these lessons already. I know how to make inf in game. MY OPINION IS THAT AT CURRENT MARKET PRICES PURPLE RECIPES ARE NOT WORTH THE INVESTMENT. And that the people willing to drop 25% of the inf cap on a single recipe should be investigated.
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Personally all I'd like the devs to do is simply increase drop rates and reduce merit/ticket values across the board. Simply increase the supply and don't make us work so hard for the shinies we want.
And also, I'd like to see any purchase of 500mil or more flag that account for investigation of RMT. Before you jump into an uproar, if you earned that Inf the honest way, then you have nothing to worry about.
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I wish I had kept track of all the stupid ideas posted about the market so I could be certain this one deserved the blue ribbon.
total kick to the gut
This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
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Hey Nethergoat, maybe it's just cause your not putting little smileys after your sentences, but your coming off like a real [censored]. Was that on purpose or am I just misunderstanding your posts?
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Is this your way of ducking my questions?
Here, I'll ask them again super nicely so your tender emotions don't get all battered and bruised:
Pray tell kind sir why do you insist on an elaborate conspiracy of marketeers to explain the simple actions of supply and demand?
How would you personally go about "controlling" purple recipes, assuming you have a bank full of inf to use?
Are you able to provide a logical structure to support your suggestion that "the Devs might wanna think about creating some boundries that stop a minority from greatly affecting the majority in a negative way."? What exactly is it this minority doing to so dreadfully impact the gamplay of the majority?
TIA for your considered responses!
xoxoxo,
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You can't have an opinion on objective facts...they're either right or wrong! I have a relative who posted on Facebook, "It's 103 degrees outside and my landscapers are doing the lawn. I'm glad I'm not Mexican!!" I called her out as a racist and she said that was my opinion and we'd have to agree to disagree. (TRUE STORY, BTW) No, she is a racist. There's no opinion involved.
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....or maybe she was trying to say that 99% of the people that work hard outdoors in the sun all day around her community are Mexican and she is glad she doesn't have to do that stuff BUT just did a poor job at getting her message across and your the one that is an over sensitized politicly correct nub that jumped on her and accused her of being a racist when in fact her only crime was not acutely clarifying the intention of her post.
If you can't see that your little analogy was complete opinion you shouldn't even be posting your thoughts.
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...or maybe she actually is racist, since anyone who wasn't would have apologized and edited their post right away, not having realized how racist they sounded. Your personal attacks have the same inattention to logic as your posts about the game.
Racism as a belief system is scientifically proven to be incorrect, whether you're "an over sensitized politicly correct nub" or not.
Here's an easier to understand analogy. You can not spell correctly and have poor grammar. There's no opinion involved. You used "your" instead of "you're". You used the word "acutely" in the wrong context. Your entire first paragraph was one run-on sentence. I could go on. These are all facts. You can't say that it's my opinion...well you can, but it just makes you look like an idiot. Was that simple enough for you?
EDIT - Oh and since the entirety of your post was a personal attack, that's called trolling, which is against the forum rules. Another couple "opinions" I'm sure you'll disagree with.
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MY OPINION IS THAT AT CURRENT MARKET PRICES PURPLE RECIPES ARE NOT WORTH THE INVESTMENT. And that the people willing to drop 25% of the inf cap on a single recipe should be investigated.
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why should people be investigated? because they have an easier time making money playing the markets then you do? if you haven't noticed the prices at the RMT sites has been going down drastically because, imo, no one is using them and they are trying to get people to use them. they are a dying thing in this game and soon enough won't be around. they had nothing to do with the skyrocketing prices, the AE did.
when people stopped doing regular farms and the supply decreased of purples, i watched them go from 50-60 mil a pop to 100 mil a pop. then as time went by and supply became nil i watched them go from 100 mil or so a pop to 200 mil a pop. why? because people had made enough money from the AE to afford it. obviously you haven't been apying attention to this or you would never have suggested people being investigated.
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Nowhere is the general ignorance of the playerbase as evident as when someone wanders into the market forum by mistake. Drop rate increases? Price caps? Marking people for RMT because they have more money than you do? Makes for some entertaining threads, though.
I'd love to know where people get these ideas. How is it a problem with the game that you don't have what you want when you want it for the price you want to pay? Why should the devs step in? Why is it the fault of market players?
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This is why I've shelved my quest to purple out the Goat until after I16.
Between the inevitable nerfs to MA rewards and the ability to set the team size for your missions purple prices will drop fast.
I can barely wait to see JDouble's explanation for this inexplicable phenomenon!
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As far as the rest of your statement goes. There is a hard price cap on the market. It's 2 bil inf.
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And there are 11 items to my knowledge listed at that price.
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MY OPINION IS THAT AT CURRENT MARKET PRICES PURPLE RECIPES ARE NOT WORTH THE INVESTMENT. And that the people willing to drop 25% of the inf cap on a single recipe should be investigated.
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why should people be investigated? because they have an easier time making money playing the markets then you do? if you haven't noticed the prices at the RMT sites has been going down drastically because, imo, no one is using them and they are trying to get people to use them. they are a dying thing in this game and soon enough won't be around. they had nothing to do with the skyrocketing prices, the AE did.
when people stopped doing regular farms and the supply decreased of purples, i watched them go from 50-60 mil a pop to 100 mil a pop. then as time went by and supply became nil i watched them go from 100 mil or so a pop to 200 mil a pop. why? because people had made enough money from the AE to afford it. obviously you haven't been apying attention to this or you would never have suggested people being investigated.
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LOL, I've hit a sore spot. Well, I hope you came across your inf honestly when you put 500mil or more on a recipe. This convo is going nowhere. Goodbye.
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I'd love to know where people get these ideas.
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To get an idea, imagine primitives crouched around a campfire making up stories to explain mysterious events such as the sun rising in the east , the cycle of the tides and the changing of the seasons.
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Well, I hope you came across your inf honestly when you put 500mil or more on a recipe.
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It's irrelevant where it came from since no developer is suicidal enough to follow your brain damaged advice.
Or are you gonna be like OJ and run a personal investigation until you apprehend the dirty RMT'er who supplies all our inf?
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You can't have an opinion on objective facts...they're either right or wrong! I have a relative who posted on Facebook, "It's 103 degrees outside and my landscapers are doing the lawn. I'm glad I'm not Mexican!!" I called her out as a racist and she said that was my opinion and we'd have to agree to disagree. (TRUE STORY, BTW) No, she is a racist. There's no opinion involved.
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....or maybe she was trying to say that 99% of the people that work hard outdoors in the sun all day around her community are Mexican and she is glad she doesn't have to do that stuff BUT just did a poor job at getting her message across and your the one that is an over sensitized politicly correct nub that jumped on her and accused her of being a racist when in fact her only crime was not acutely clarifying the intention of her post.
If you can't see that your little analogy was complete opinion you shouldn't even be posting your thoughts.
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...or maybe she actually is racist, since anyone who wasn't would have apologized and edited their post right away, not having realized how racist they sounded. Your personal attacks have the same inattention to logic as your posts about the game.
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Again...your opinion. Just because almighty you said it was racist, she should edit it?
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Racism as a belief system is scientifically proven to be incorrect, whether you're "an over sensitized politicly correct nub" or not.
Here's an easier to understand analogy. You can not spell correctly and have poor grammar. There's no opinion involved. You used "your" instead of "you're". You used the word "acutely" in the wrong context. Your entire first paragraph was one run-on sentence. I could go on. These are all facts. You can't say that it's my opinion...well you can, but it just makes you look like an idiot. Was that simple enough for you?
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Didn't need to be simple for me to understand, I'm not stupid. I do have somewhat poor grammar, but that has nothing to do with anything we are talking about here, so please stop with the persoanl attacks. Someone told me that was against the rules.
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EDIT - Oh and since the entirety of your post was a personal attack, that's called trolling, which is against the forum rules. Another couple "opinions" I'm sure you'll disagree with.
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Did you just call me a troll for pointing out your story meant to describe objective facts was all opinion? It's not nice to call people trolls just for pointing out your mistakes.
So after issue 16 hits, supply goes up, purple prices go down. Won't the marketeers just buy low and hold them untill prices go back up, then sell?
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So after issue 16 hits, supply goes up, purple prices go down. Won't the marketeers just buy low and hold them untill prices go back up, then sell?
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No, we'll be too busy making bank on all the stuff that is spiking because the farmers are leaving MA.
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So after issue 16 hits, supply goes up, purple prices go down. Won't the marketeers just buy low and hold them untill prices go back up, then sell?
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Maybe in short bursts, but over the long haul they won't be able to maintain a price point that much higher than what supply/demand sets.
And here's an ironic point (at least to some, so others it's plain common sense): You know what is a driving force in keeping the prices from skyrocketing? The ebil marketeers fighting against each other to make a profit. If one marketeer could create an entire long term monopoly on a recipe then your theory would have at least some legs. But multiple marketeers means they have to undercut each other in order for THEIR product to move. Which brings the price down for the consumer (at least those smart enough to not buy it nao).
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why should people be investigated? because they have an easier time making money playing the markets then you do? if you haven't noticed the prices at the RMT sites has been going down drastically because, imo, no one is using them and they are trying to get people to use them. they are a dying thing in this game and soon enough won't be around. they had nothing to do with the skyrocketing prices, the AE did.
when people stopped doing regular farms and the supply decreased of purples, i watched them go from 50-60 mil a pop to 100 mil a pop. then as time went by and supply became nil i watched them go from 100 mil or so a pop to 200 mil a pop. why? because people had made enough money from the AE to afford it. obviously you haven't been apying attention to this or you would never have suggested people being investigated.
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LOL, I've hit a sore spot. Well, I hope you came across your inf honestly when you put 500mil or more on a recipe. This convo is going nowhere. Goodbye.
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you haven't hit any sore spot with me. and i have never spent anymore then 100 mil on anything. and seeing as how i make roughly, on the small end of it, 500 mil a week selling at the markets i have no reason to worry.
and you astill haven't answered the question as to why you wan't people investigated. simple to answer if you had any idea what you were talking about.
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LOL, I've hit a sore spot. Well, I hope you came across your inf honestly when you put 500mil or more on a recipe. This convo is going nowhere. Goodbye.
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Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
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So after issue 16 hits, supply goes up, purple prices go down. Won't the marketeers just buy low and hold them untill prices go back up, then sell?
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I may buy up purples but it certainly won't be with the intent of holding them.
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Get over yourself dude, I've learned these lessons already. I know how to make inf in game. MY OPINION IS THAT AT CURRENT MARKET PRICES PURPLE RECIPES ARE NOT WORTH THE INVESTMENT. And that the people willing to drop 25% of the inf cap on a single recipe should be investigated.
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Investigate this.
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No, we'll be too busy making bank on all the stuff that is spiking because the farmers are leaving MA.
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You can't have an opinion on objective facts...they're either right or wrong! I have a relative who posted on Facebook, "It's 103 degrees outside and my landscapers are doing the lawn. I'm glad I'm not Mexican!!" I called her out as a racist and she said that was my opinion and we'd have to agree to disagree. (TRUE STORY, BTW) No, she is a racist. There's no opinion involved.
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....or maybe she was trying to say that 99% of the people that work hard outdoors in the sun all day around her community are Mexican and she is glad she doesn't have to do that stuff BUT just did a poor job at getting her message across and your the one that is an over sensitized politicly correct nub that jumped on her and accused her of being a racist when in fact her only crime was not acutely clarifying the intention of her post.
If you can't see that your little analogy was complete opinion you shouldn't even be posting your thoughts.
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...or maybe she actually is racist, since anyone who wasn't would have apologized and edited their post right away, not having realized how racist they sounded. Your personal attacks have the same inattention to logic as your posts about the game.
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Again...your opinion. Just because almighty you said it was racist, she should edit it?
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I realize this is going way off topic, but I just wanted to point out what part of her statement was racist.
Saying, "I'm glad I'm not a gardener," is not racist. Saying, "99% of gardeners around here are Mexican," is not necessarily racist.
Saying, "I'm glad I'm not a Mexican because all Mexicans have to work outside in the hot sun!" is racist. The last part of that statement was implied rather than stated, but it was there nonetheless.
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We agree that lack of supply is the main culprit, but even when supply of purples goes back up, the supply will remain low enough that it is easy to completely control the price by buying everyone that hits the market IF you are an evil marketeer with billions saved up. When there is only one or two of something listed per month, there is always going to be someone out of the thousands that play this game that is willing to pay it...even if it means buying inf from a .com, which is even worse for the game.
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One or two of something a month??
What?