VERY VERY VERY highly doubt it. I suggest along with others long ago they should just scrap the pvp aspect of it and make it a trial or something like the Calvin Scott TF. Alas I never heard anything after repeated PM's to the devs so I think the subject on both CoP and Calvin is closed.
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I would just be glad to have the CoP and IoP's back. They can make it a trial are tf. Cool with me.
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People have asked numerous times. Bringing back CoP requires three complex systems working together: PvP, bases and base raids. Fixing PvP is the first step.
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And really, the reason behind it getting pulled had nothing to do with any of those, but with a nasty exploit built into it. A side effect of the multi-team aspect of it.
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And keep in mind that they did away with the raiding path rules in base building. Now it's possible to build a base that can't be raided. I would call that a big clue to the fact that base raiding isn't coming back anytime soon.
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And keep in mind that they did away with the raiding path rules in base building. Now it's possible to build a base that can't be raided. I would call that a big clue to the fact that base raiding isn't coming back anytime soon.
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That's pretty much the same thing I thought of when I first heard about the change in the base pathing rules. Why bother to make bases more "PvE friendly" if they were ever going to allow PvP raiding in them again?
I agree with the others in that there's not much point in them trying to get the whole CoP/IoP raid thing working as originally planned. That ship sailed years ago now. IoPs were dreamt up in an age even before IOs existed in this game and it's not clear they were ever going to be balanced in the first place. In fact I even support the idea that the Power Liberator/Master Thief badge should be removed from the game because the whole CoP/IoP system never even really existed from the point of view of being a "working" feature. At its very best it was an open buggy beta that snuck out onto the live servers for a week back in 2006.
Regardless I still have hope that they might be able to brush off the dust from the CoP trial and make some kind of usable non-PvP oriented content out of it at some point.
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Nope.
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Mod08 and i have had this debate in other posts, i was pressuring to have IoP's and base raiding restored but i have been told they want to work on NEW content that everyone can enjoy so IoP's are definately on the backburner.
I can understand that so i am no longer pushing for the IoP's since NCSoft already has a full set of plans for the future, so lets give them some breathing space, as we can see from i14 and 15 they are working hard and listening to our requests.
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I've been asking for that for 99 years.
I'm not even sure why people are still harping on this. It didn't work. It was pulled. I doubt they've been working on it, in favor of actually producing something that the vast majority of the player base (ie: non pvp'ers) WILL use.
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I think I remember a dev answer of No. They shelved it forever.
Of course that could be like they shelved power customization and switching sides. Two things we will never see in the game. 
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I think I remember a dev answer of No. They shelved it forever.
Of course that could be like they shelved power customization and switching sides. Two things we will never see in the game.
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That is true, and I actually do hope that they ARE working on it, if nothing else so that the folks who so dreadfully want it back will have it - and then get to complain about it since it's been what... 3 years? Since they were originally show it? Everything about it will have changed, because *everything in the game* has been touched from a little to a huge lot in that intervening time.
Plus, yes, the pvp issues need to be "resolved" - I don't expect that to go the way that the hardcore pvpers (those who haven't dramaquit over the last changes) to like those changes EITHER.
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Assuming they ever get the multi-team in one instance (basically a "Raid Group" as other MMOs call it), then the CoP will be put back in. However that's a pretty big if since implementation of IOs and the merit system and AE.
To make the CoP worthwhile, they have to revamp bases first.
So don't hold your breath.
I want CoP to come back just to see how tall I am to Rularuu. From what I've read on the wiki, it sounds like fun to me.
But of course, like most things, exploiters ruined it for everyone.
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I dunno if I want to deal with the base thing. 
I like bases that have pathing problems, stacked items, etc - all those things came about with the dropping of it all. There may have to be a "do you want to completely scrap your current base build in favor of building a new one with pathing rules in place" - that would *presumably* give you all your prestige spent on things back, but would then put the restrictive pathing stuff back in or whatever other modifications needed. And, then, tag your base for raiding where as folks like me ... I wouldn't 
I'd join a raiding party, because the base raid I did go on once long ago was lots of fun. But, not "for me" and certainly not all the time. I wouldn't want to try redoing some bases to look as awesome as they do, but with those issues complicating it.
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To hell with pathing, just make everything destructible like a Mayhem mish.
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That's exactly what they were doing at one stage.
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To make the CoP worthwhile, they have to revamp bases first.
So don't hold your breath.
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not really. They could just as easily remove the Base Raid component from the IoP part or remove the IoP completely and replace it with either it's own merit system with special IOs and costume pieces. That's all assuming they can get the multi-team aspect working.
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But of course, like most things, exploiters ruined it for everyone.
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Well you can certainly "blame" exploiters for ruining things in general.
That's a valid point of view when you look at things at face value.
But they can serve a roundabout positive function by exposing problems that the Devs can subsequently fix. More often than not exploiters ironically end up helping "normal" players by forcing the Devs to fix broken game features to make them work better for everyone.
What makes the whole CoP trial fiasco different than most is not that exploiters found a bug and used it. That kind of thing is pretty much always going to happen with newly released MMO content. What was different was that they found an exploit the Devs apparently -couldn't- fix.
So yes the exploiters caused the CoP trial to be removed from the game.
But what actually "ruined" it was the Devs' inability to fix it.
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So is CoP and base raids ever coming back? I know most gave up hope. But seriously someone has got to ask.
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