more than you can achieve on a permanent basis.
"the reason there are so many sarcastic pvpers is we already had a better version of pvp taken away from us to appease bad players. Back then we chuckled at how bad players came here and whined. If we knew that was the actual voice devs would listen to instead of informed, educated players we probably would have been bigger dicks back then." -ConFlict
I don't know...can you perma Shadow Meld? Lots and lots of recharge but it may be possible.
Nope. Even if you were at the recharge cap (something even full teams can't often do), you'd still have some downtime.
"the reason there are so many sarcastic pvpers is we already had a better version of pvp taken away from us to appease bad players. Back then we chuckled at how bad players came here and whined. If we knew that was the actual voice devs would listen to instead of informed, educated players we probably would have been bigger dicks back then." -ConFlict
Tested with my DM/Nin just now in RV; with just set bonuses, Combat Jumping, Danger Sense, and Ninja Reflexes I needed to pop Retsu to break 45% (49.77% Ranged, 48.74% Melee, 46.11% AoE). Otherwise it's low-30s for everything.
So, perma-Retsu for the soft cap with Diminishing Returns; roughly 95-100% defense.
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I have a DM/Nin and I can hit 50% def without Retsu/Shadow Meld. Basic powers. Weave, Combat Jumping, Manuevers. Thus with my click powers I can raise it to +44 with shadow meld with a 25 second CD and +90 with Retsu with no CD and push 150% with everything activated... My build however is EXTREMELY end heavy and I rely on killing in 2-3 attacks (assassin/Life Drain/Midnight) This is all done with A LOT of sets and costs around 500 bill inf
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I have a DM/Nin and I can hit 50% def without Retsu/Shadow Meld. Basic powers. Weave, Combat Jumping, Manuevers. Thus with my click powers I can raise it to +44 with shadow meld with a 25 second CD and +90 with Retsu with no CD and push 150% with everything activated... My build however is EXTREMELY end heavy and I rely on killing in 2-3 attacks (assassin/Life Drain/Midnight) This is all done with A LOT of sets and costs around 500 bill inf
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Try that again in a PvP zone.
My DM/Nin is over 45% to Melee/Ranged and 42% AoE with Hide suppressed outside of one.
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I have a DM/Nin and I can hit 50% def without Retsu/Shadow Meld. Basic powers. Weave, Combat Jumping, Manuevers. Thus with my click powers I can raise it to +44 with shadow meld with a 25 second CD and +90 with Retsu with no CD and push 150% with everything activated... My build however is EXTREMELY end heavy and I rely on killing in 2-3 attacks (assassin/Life Drain/Midnight) This is all done with A LOT of sets and costs around 500 bill inf
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Ya this is for pvp which no offense sounds like you don't know to much about but the real question is.... how the heck does someone put 500billion into a build? Did you purposely spend 100 more times the the nao price on everything? Seriously purpled out toons don't cost that much even by todays standards.
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I have a DM/Nin and I can hit 50% def without Retsu/Shadow Meld. Basic powers. Weave, Combat Jumping, Manuevers. Thus with my click powers I can raise it to +44 with shadow meld with a 25 second CD and +90 with Retsu with no CD and push 150% with everything activated... My build however is EXTREMELY end heavy and I rely on killing in 2-3 attacks (assassin/Life Drain/Midnight) This is all done with A LOT of sets and costs around 500 bill inf
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All I have to say is "Let's see the build"
my claws/sr scrapper has around 4b invented...so i doubt you spent 500b
i knew someone that after respecs and such ended up having put 17 bil into a toon, i told him he was a retard and should download mids.
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Ok, I made a new elec/Nin stalker and I plan on PvPing with it. So the question is, how much defense above 45% would I need to achieve the softcap after DR kicks in?
I know there are no exact numbers on how exactly DR affects everything but if anyone could give me a round number of how much over 45% i would have to go, I would be very thankful. 
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More than you can afford pal... Ferrari
lol...but i want to see this 500bil build
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lol...but i want to see this 500bil build
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500 bil was me saying its expensive :P My build is around something of 20bil on Freedom.. but that in itself it rather expensive
20 bil? Still wanna see that build
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Villain Plan by Mids' Villain Designer 1.401
http://www.cohplanner.com/
[u]Click this DataLink to open the build![u]
Level 50 Magic Stalker
Primary Power Set: Dark Melee
Secondary Power Set: Ninjitsu
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Fitness
Ancillary Pool: Soul Mastery
Villain Profile:
Level 1: Smite <ul type="square">[*] (A) Pulverizing Fisticuffs - Accuracy/Damage[*] (15) Pounding Slugfest - Damage/Endurance[*] (17) Pounding Slugfest - Damage/Recharge[/list]Level 1: Hide <ul type="square">[*] (A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed[*] (9) Luck of the Gambler - Defense[*] (11) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Recharge[/list]Level 2: Ninja Reflexes <ul type="square">[*] (A) Red Fortune - Defense[*] (3) Red Fortune - Defense/Endurance[*] (3) Red Fortune - Defense/Recharge[*] (31) Red Fortune - Endurance/Recharge[*] (33) Red Fortune - Defense/Endurance/Recharge[*] (34) Red Fortune - Endurance[/list]Level 4: Danger Sense <ul type="square">[*] (A) Red Fortune - Endurance[*] (5) Red Fortune - Defense[*] (5) Red Fortune - Defense/Endurance[*] (27) Red Fortune - Defense/Recharge[*] (31) Red Fortune - Endurance/Recharge[*] (31) Red Fortune - Defense/Endurance/Recharge[/list]Level 6: Hasten <ul type="square">[*] (A) Recharge Reduction IO[*] (7) Recharge Reduction IO[*] (7) Recharge Reduction IO[*] (9) Recharge Reduction IO[/list]Level 8: Shadow Maul <ul type="square">[*] (A) Obliteration - Damage[*] (11) Obliteration - Accuracy/Recharge[*] (13) Obliteration - Damage/Recharge[*] (37) Obliteration - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge[*] (37) Obliteration - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge[*] (37) Obliteration - Chance for Smashing Damage[/list]Level 10: Assassin's Eclipse <ul type="square">[*] (A) Hecatomb - Damage[*] (13) Hecatomb - Damage/Recharge[*] (15) Hecatomb - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge[*] (40) Hecatomb - Accuracy/Recharge[*] (42) Hecatomb - Damage/Endurance[*] (42) Hecatomb - Chance of Damage(Negative)[/list]Level 12: Kick <ul type="square">[*] (A) Force Feedback - Chance for +Recharge[/list]Level 14: Tough <ul type="square">[*] (A) Steadfast Protection - Resistance/+Def 3%[*] (42) Impervious Skin - Status Resistance[*] (43) Impervious Skin - Resistance/Endurance[*] (43) Impervious Skin - Resistance/Recharge[*] (43) Impervious Skin - Endurance/Recharge[*] (46) Impervious Skin - Resistance/Endurance/Recharge[/list]Level 16: Kuji-In Rin <ul type="square">[*] (A) Recharge Reduction IO[*] (17) Recharge Reduction IO[/list]Level 18: Siphon Life <ul type="square">[*] (A) Cloud Senses - ToHit Debuff[*] (19) Cloud Senses - Accuracy/ToHitDebuff[*] (19) Cloud Senses - Accuracy/Recharge[*] (50) Cloud Senses - ToHit Debuff/Endurance/Recharge[/list]Level 20: Weave <ul type="square">[*] (A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance[*] (21) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Recharge[*] (21) Luck of the Gambler - Endurance/Recharge[*] (25) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance/Recharge[*] (25) Luck of the Gambler - Defense[*] (27) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed[/list]Level 22: Combat Jumping <ul type="square">[*] (A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed[*] (23) Blessing of the Zephyr - Run Speed, Jump, Flight Speed, Range[*] (23) Blessing of the Zephyr - Run Speed, Jump, Flight Speed, Range/Endurance[/list]Level 24: Swift <ul type="square">[*] (A) Run Speed IO[/list]Level 26: Health <ul type="square">[*] (A) Numina's Convalescence - +Regeneration/+Recovery[/list]Level 28: Stamina <ul type="square">[*] (A) Performance Shifter - EndMod[*] (29) Performance Shifter - EndMod/Accuracy[*] (29) Performance Shifter - EndMod/Recharge[/list]Level 30: Super Speed <ul type="square">[*] (A) Celerity - +Stealth[/list]Level 32: Midnight Grasp <ul type="square">[*] (A) Gravitational Anchor - Immobilize[*] (33) Gravitational Anchor - Immobilize/Recharge[*] (33) Gravitational Anchor - Accuracy/Immobilize/Recharge[*] (34) Gravitational Anchor - Accuracy/Recharge[*] (34) Gravitational Anchor - Immobilize/Endurance[*] (36) Gravitational Anchor - Chance for Hold[/list]Level 35: Build Up <ul type="square">[*] (A) Adjusted Targeting - Recharge[*] (36) Adjusted Targeting - To Hit Buff/Recharge[*] (36) Adjusted Targeting - To Hit Buff/Endurance/Recharge[/list]Level 38: Kuji-In Retsu <ul type="square">[*] (A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed[*] (39) Luck of the Gambler - Defense[*] (39) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Recharge[*] (39) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance/Recharge[*] (40) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance[*] (40) Luck of the Gambler - Endurance/Recharge[/list]Level 41: Moonbeam <ul type="square">[*] (A) Devastation - Chance of Hold[/list]Level 44: Shadow Meld <ul type="square">[*] (A) Red Fortune - Defense/Endurance[*] (45) Red Fortune - Defense/Recharge[*] (45) Red Fortune - Endurance/Recharge[*] (45) Red Fortune - Defense/Endurance/Recharge[*] (46) Red Fortune - Defense[*] (46) Red Fortune - Endurance[/list]Level 47: Soul Storm <ul type="square">[*] (A) Unbreakable Constraint - Hold[*] (48) Unbreakable Constraint - Hold/Recharge[*] (48) Unbreakable Constraint - Accuracy/Hold/Recharge[*] (48) Unbreakable Constraint - Accuracy/Recharge[*] (50) Unbreakable Constraint - Endurance/Hold[/list]Level 49: Summon Widow <ul type="square">[*] (A) Call to Arms - Defense Bonus Aura for Pets[*] (50) Expedient Reinforcement - Resist Bonus Aura for Pets[/list]------------
Level 1: Brawl <ul type="square">[*] (A) Empty[/list]Level 1: Sprint <ul type="square">[*] (A) Empty[/list]Level 2: Rest <ul type="square">[*] (A) Empty[/list]Level 1: Assassination
Used to not have Fitness and went for Leadership for Manuevers, but atm my stamina is doing much better for longer fights.
That builds not soft capped and if you paid what you said you did you got ripped
How do you figure? When I do my combos nearly hit the defense cap itself, with the help of any form of defense I do hit it
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This. Not to mention your lulzy slotting in your best attacks (Siphon Life and M. Grasp).. and no self-heal! And useless pet uniques on an unenhanced pet! Finally, no Placate...
I fail to see how this would cost '20 billion'.
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Well, if I pull up your build in Mids and turn of Kuji-In retsu and Shadow Meld you have 45% melee, 51.9% ranged and 90% AE def showing. However, thats with hide included and Mids uses the full, unsupressed hide values which means those number are only good until you attack. Suppressed hide only gives you only 1.875% to all positions - which would be 2.71% with the slotting you have there. That means that your actual def values when hide is suppressed would be:
Melee: 36.8 + 2.71 = 39.51
Ranged: 43.7 + 2.71 = 46.41
AoE: 33 + 2.71 = 35.71
So you are capped on ranged but about 5.5 points short on melee and way short on AE when hide is suppressed - which is the state during most combat and thus the numbers you should use.
Edit: Typo fixed
Globals: @Midnight Mystique/@Magik13
Maybe this would be a little better. I didn't spend too much time on it but it looks to be capped in PvP unless Mids is not factoring in DR.
Villain Plan by Mids' Villain Designer 1.401
http://www.cohplanner.com/
[u]Click this DataLink to open the build![u]
Level 50 Magic Stalker
Primary Power Set: Dark Melee
Secondary Power Set: Ninjitsu
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Fitness
Ancillary Pool: Leviathan Mastery
Villain Profile:
Level 1: Smite -- T'Death-Acc/Dmg(A), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx(15), T'Death-Dmg/Rchg(17), T'Death-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(45), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(45), T'Death-Dam%(46)
Level 1: Hide -- LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(A), LkGmblr-Def(9), LkGmblr-Rchg+(11)
Level 2: Ninja Reflexes -- RedFtn-Def(A), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx(3), RedFtn-Def/Rchg(3), RedFtn-EndRdx(17), RedFtn-EndRdx/Rchg(31)
Level 4: Danger Sense -- RedFtn-EndRdx(A), RedFtn-Def(5), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx(5), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(9), LkGmblr-Rchg+(39)
Level 6: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(7), RechRdx-I(7)
Level 8: Shadow Maul -- Oblit-Dmg(A), Oblit-Acc/Rchg(11), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg(13), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(37), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(37), Oblit-%Dam(37)
Level 10: Assassin's Eclipse -- T'Death-Acc/Dmg(A), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx(13), T'Death-Dmg/Rchg(15), T'Death-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(40), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(42), T'Death-Dam%(46)
Level 12: Kick -- FrcFbk-Rechg%(A)
Level 14: Tough -- S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(A), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx(42), Aegis-ResDam/Rchg(43), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(43), Aegis-ResDam(43), Aegis-Psi/Status(46)
Level 16: Kuji-In Rin -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 18: Siphon Life -- Mako-Acc/Dmg(A), Mako-Dmg/EndRdx(19), Mako-Dmg/Rchg(19), Mako-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(31), Mako-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(34), Mako-Dam%(50)
Level 20: Weave -- LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(A), LkGmblr-Def/Rchg(21), LkGmblr-EndRdx/Rchg(21), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(25), LkGmblr-Def(25), LkGmblr-Rchg+(27)
Level 22: Combat Jumping -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), Zephyr-Travel(23), Zephyr-Travel/EndRdx(23), Zephyr-ResKB(42)
Level 24: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 26: Health -- Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(A), Mrcl-Rcvry+(27)
Level 28: Stamina -- P'Shift-EndMod(A), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc(29), P'Shift-EndMod/Rchg(29), P'Shift-End%(31)
Level 30: Super Speed -- Clrty-Stlth(A), Zephyr-ResKB(33), Zephyr-Travel(39), Zephyr-Travel/EndRdx(40)
Level 32: Midnight Grasp -- C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg(A), C'ngImp-Dmg/Rchg(33), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(33), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(34), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(34)
Level 35: Build Up -- AdjTgt-Rchg(A), AdjTgt-ToHit/Rchg(36), AdjTgt-ToHit/EndRdx/Rchg(36), AdjTgt-ToHit(36), AdjTgt-EndRdx/Rchg(40)
Level 38: Kuji-In Retsu -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(39)
Level 41: Water Spout -- Achilles-ResDeb%(A)
Level 44: Hibernate -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(45)
Level 47: Kuji-In Sha -- Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx(A), Dct'dW-Heal/Rchg(48), Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(48), Dct'dW-Heal(48), Dct'dW-Rchg(50)
Level 49: Placate -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(50)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Assassination
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[u]Set Bonus Totals:[u]<ul type="square">[*]17% DamageBuff(Smashing)[*]17% DamageBuff(Lethal)[*]17% DamageBuff(Fire)[*]17% DamageBuff(Cold)[*]17% DamageBuff(Energy)[*]17% DamageBuff(Negative)[*]17% DamageBuff(Toxic)[*]17% DamageBuff(Psionic)[*]8.63% Defense(Smashing)[*]8.63% Defense(Lethal)[*]10.8% Defense(Fire)[*]10.8% Defense(Cold)[*]8% Defense(Energy)[*]8% Defense(Negative)[*]3% Defense(Psionic)[*]14.3% Defense(Melee)[*]13% Defense(Ranged)[*]13.9% Defense(AoE)[*]34% Enhancement(Accuracy)[*]4% Enhancement(Heal)[*]55% Enhancement(RechargeTime)[*]5% FlySpeed[*]117.5 HP (9.76%) HitPoints[*]5% JumpHeight[*]5% JumpSpeed[*]Knockback (Mag -8)[*]Knockup (Mag -8)[*]MezResist(Held) 11.6%[*]MezResist(Immobilize) 15.4%[*]MezResist(Stun) 2.2%[*]MezResist(Terrorized) 2.2%[*]2.5% (0.04 End/sec) Recovery[*]20% (1.01 HP/sec) Regeneration[*]3.78% Resistance(Fire)[*]3.78% Resistance(Cold)[*]1.26% Resistance(Energy)[*]1.26% Resistance(Negative)[*]5.38% Resistance(Psionic)[*]10% RunSpeed[*]2.5% XPDebtProtection[/list]
Mids doesn't factor in anything for pvp not DR not heal decay nothing. Not since I13.
Ok, I made a new elec/Nin stalker and I plan on PvPing with it. So the question is, how much defense above 45% would I need to achieve the softcap after DR kicks in?
I know there are no exact numbers on how exactly DR affects everything but if anyone could give me a round number of how much over 45% i would have to go, I would be very thankful.