Biggest thing Conditioning does is amplify the effectiveness of the Numina, Regen Tissue, and Miracle uniques (since they are a percentage based off your base regen or recovery, the higher base means they do more for you). Conditioning, unlike most other inherents, isn't just "another power" - it's actually part of the base AT stats.
That being said, even with Conditioning + Stamina, my Night Widow runs out of endurance fairly quickly if I use Spin and Eviscerate a lot. 
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Biggest thing Conditioning does is amplify the effectiveness of the Numina, Regen Tissue, and Miracle uniques (since they are a percentage based off your base regen or recovery, the higher base means they do more for you). Conditioning, unlike most other inherents, isn't just "another power" - it's actually part of the base AT stats.
That being said, even with Conditioning + Stamina, my Night Widow runs out of endurance fairly quickly if I use Spin and Eviscerate a lot.
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Personally...I think Conditioning could be "bumped up" a few points to make it more useful/noticeable as our inherent. To me, it's been one of the [u]most useless[u] inherents I've had on ANY AT, both red and blueside.
Yes, I even find a Defenders "Vigilance" and Peacebringers "Cosmic Balance" way more useful than our "Conditioning." The actual in-game impact experience difference that Conditioning has on my SoA's in-game...is barely noticeable, and thanks to the numerous and several toggles that SoA's end up running, it's boost is simply drowned out entirely.
It was a sorry excuse of a "last minute" inherent in the first place. Originally, when SoA's first came out, they were to simply just "naturally" have very "slighty" increased regen/recovery rates (mostly to offset the huge dependency on "toggles"), however, beta testers started to ask "well...what's the SoA inherent?!? All other AT's have an inherent, even Khelds!" to which the dev's pretty much said..."uhm...well, we gave them 'slightly' higher regen/recovery...uh...that's the inherent...we guess". However, testers didn't buy this, and the dev's scrambled to "hastily" come up with an SoA "inherent icon" and name. Thus, the "quick fix" band-aid was applied, and Conditioning was born, and the community was "pacified." However, I for one, am no longer pacified. Give us some REAL conditioning stats already.
I think Conditioning could use some "conditioning." I'd like to see it's stats increased some, and really make it useful to us. Sure, it helps now, but it wasn't until severe IO slotting and Accolades that I was able to run all my toggles while attacking, without having to worry about my end bar bottoming out within 1 spawn, and lets not even get into how weak I feel the regeneration part is.
Basically, I'd like our inherent buffed. It's total weaksauce when compared to others.
Full agreement here.
Conditioning should be in the +5% to +10% range for Regen, and +10% to +15% for endurance.
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omg are yall stupid...or just way to used to ur fully slotter and set'ed 50
at low lvls its so easy to notice that my health and end regen faster than the teams.. and once u get stamina that base stacks and i fell like im playing a all set'ed 50
with ther recharge time and rec/reg/recharge my crab has ive neve ran out of end even with 3 toggles running.. and not a sinlge set yet.. just rember its not ur 50 and those massive amount of aoes u have means u need to slot for end reduction mabey thats ur problem
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[u]omg are yall stupid[u]...or just way to used to ur fully slotter and set'ed 50
at low lvls its so easy to notice that my health and end regen faster than the teams.. and once u get stamina that base stacks and i fell like im playing a all set'ed 50
with ther recharge time and rec/reg/recharge my crab has ive neve ran out of end even with 3 toggles running.. and not a sinlge set yet.. just rember its not ur 50 and those massive amount of aoes u have means u need to slot for end reduction mabey thats ur problem
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What the he11 did you just say!?!
Maybe you should direct your opening sentence back at yourself, until you learn how to properly speak and type simple english. Never call someone "stupid" unless you yourself are above that title as well chief 
I can hardly make out half of what you're saying.
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[u]omg are yall stupid[u]...or just way to used to ur fully slotter and set'ed 50
at low lvls its so easy to notice that my health and end regen faster than the teams.. and once u get stamina that base stacks and i fell like im playing a all set'ed 50
with ther recharge time and rec/reg/recharge my crab has ive neve ran out of end even with 3 toggles running.. and not a sinlge set yet.. just rember its not ur 50 and those massive amount of aoes u have means u need to slot for end reduction mabey thats ur problem
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What the he11 did you just say!?!
Maybe you should direct your opening sentence back at yourself, until you learn how to properly speak and type simple english. Never call someone "stupid" unless you yourself are above that title as well chief
I can hardly make out half of what you're saying.
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Please relax, my dog is coughing and I can't get it to stop. HALP!
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[u]omg are yall stupid[u]...or just way to used to ur fully slotter and set'ed 50
at low lvls its so easy to notice that my health and end regen faster than the teams.. and once u get stamina that base stacks and i fell like im playing a all set'ed 50
with ther recharge time and rec/reg/recharge my crab has ive neve ran out of end even with 3 toggles running.. and not a sinlge set yet.. just rember its not ur 50 and those massive amount of aoes u have means u need to slot for end reduction mabey thats ur problem
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What the he11 did you just say!?!
Maybe you should direct your opening sentence back at yourself, until you learn how to properly speak and type simple english. Never call someone "stupid" unless you yourself are above that title as well chief
I can hardly make out half of what you're saying.
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its english and computer short hand that ppl use lets see....on computers.. and hell uses the letter L not the number 1 but thats comp talk as well so mabey u can read but need glasses
I think he was refering to the fact that you used 0 capitalization and 0 actual punctuation. There are obviously two sides to it:
A. You had an outburst and resorted to name calling during friendly discussion.
B. Darkmaster did not take kindly to your outburst and pointed out the flaws in it.
To make a long story short, your first post was very hostile, terribly written, and uncalled for, and Darkmaster responded in turn and called you out on it.
Your first post could have just as easily read:
I completely disagree. It seems like most of you are just used to your fully slotted 50s. I notice conditioning right from the start, and stamina makes it even better. Maybe your problem is that you haven't slotted for enough endurance reduction. I have no problems keeping my endurance up even with all of the bonus recharge SoAs get.
See...same meaning, yet it doesn't ignite the entire forum with hatred!
read the other tread going about all this... conditioning was made to offset the fact u use toggles and when your toon is slotted right you'll never run out of end...enless u meet mr. sapper
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[u]omg are yall stupid[u]...or just way to used to ur fully slotter and set'ed 50
at low lvls its so easy to notice that my health and end regen faster than the teams.. and once u get stamina that base stacks and i fell like im playing a all set'ed 50
with ther recharge time and rec/reg/recharge my crab has ive neve ran out of end even with 3 toggles running.. and not a sinlge set yet.. just rember its not ur 50 and those massive amount of aoes u have means u need to slot for end reduction mabey thats ur problem
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What the he11 did you just say!?!
Maybe you should direct your opening sentence back at yourself, until you learn how to properly speak and type simple english. Never call someone "stupid" unless you yourself are above that title as well chief
I can hardly make out half of what you're saying.
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its english and computer short hand that ppl use lets see....on computers.. and hell uses the letter L not the number 1 but thats comp talk as well so mabey u can read but need glasses
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You need to go back to primary school.
Why are you using "shorthand" are you pressed for time? Will the white house explode if you don't post in time!?
well cuz im on a comp and its just natural to tyoe that way enless the ppl im talking to dont know english.
No, my young and ignorant friend, this is not what naturally happens when one sits at a computer and begins to type. This is what happens when a 12 year old sits at a computer and begins to type. Clarity and intelligence are sacrificed for brevity and some ineffable form of 'coolness'. Come back to us when you have completed high school, and perhaps we can engage in a civilized conversation.
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No, my young and ignorant friend, this is not what naturally happens when one sits at a computer and begins to type. This is what happens when a 12 year old sits at a computer and begins to type. Clarity and intelligence are sacrificed for brevity and some ineffable form of 'coolness'. Come back to us when you have completed high school, and perhaps we can engage in a civilized conversation.
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This.
Well back to the original point.
While I don't have a link to the original post. I remember that one of the Dev's (Castle I believe) stated that all the SoA powers are 'Overpowered' compaired to their normal template and have increased endurance cost to match the higher dmg output of these powers. Conditioning was more to offset the higher cost of these powers than an END recovery tool or a Stamina replacer.
But then again at my age my memory isn't what it used to be but I'm fairly sure that that was the reason.
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No, my young and ignorant friend, this is not what naturally happens when one sits at a computer and begins to type. This is what happens when a 12 year old sits at a computer and begins to type. Clarity and intelligence are sacrificed for brevity and some ineffable form of 'coolness'. Come back to us when you have completed high school, and perhaps we can engage in a civilized conversation.
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It cannot be stressed enough.
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This is over the top mental slavery.
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No, my young and ignorant friend, this is not what naturally happens when one sits at a computer and begins to type. This is what happens when a 12 year old sits at a computer and begins to type. Clarity and intelligence are sacrificed for brevity and some ineffable form of 'coolness'. Come back to us when you have completed high school, and perhaps we can engage in a civilized conversation.
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This.
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lol did you ever consider that im an old fart and not that used to typing on comps
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No, my young and ignorant friend, this is not what naturally happens when one sits at a computer and begins to type. This is what happens when a 12 year old sits at a computer and begins to type. Clarity and intelligence are sacrificed for brevity and some ineffable form of 'coolness'. Come back to us when you have completed high school, and perhaps we can engage in a civilized conversation.
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This.
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lol did you ever consider that im an old fart and not that used to typing on comps
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Then I'm more inclined to view you as a liar. Older typists in my experience generally carry over the skills and practices rooted in typewriter usage rather than "leet speak" and abbreviations. The point people ragging on your nearly-incomprehensible posts are making is that if you don't communicate clearly in proper, well written posts you negate any point you might have because people won't wade through the headache-inducing formatting and play Rosetta Stone with the spelling and grammatical errors to find out what you were actually trying to say.
The short form: Think of typing on the internet as a picture of yourself. Do you want to project a good picture that makes you look like a GQ model, or do you want to be that 400 pound guy on the nude beach? If you're comfortable being the 400 pound guy, keep doing what you're doing.
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No, my young and ignorant friend, this is not what naturally happens when one sits at a computer and begins to type. This is what happens when a 12 year old sits at a computer and begins to type. Clarity and intelligence are sacrificed for brevity and some ineffable form of 'coolness'. Come back to us when you have completed high school, and perhaps we can engage in a civilized conversation.
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Absolutely not!
I typed way better than that when I was 12
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No, my young and ignorant friend, this is not what naturally happens when one sits at a computer and begins to type. This is what happens when a 12 year old sits at a computer and begins to type. Clarity and intelligence are sacrificed for brevity and some ineffable form of 'coolness'. Come back to us when you have completed high school, and perhaps we can engage in a civilized conversation.
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This.
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lol did you ever consider that im an old fart and not that used to typing on comps
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No, because you're not.
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Yes, I even find a Defenders "Vigilance" and Peacebringers "Cosmic Balance" way more useful than our "Conditioning."
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No offence, but you pretty much invalidate your point with your snide aside about Cosmic Balance. It's one of the best inherents in the game now.
Doom.
Yep.
This is really doom.
Veats should have all gotten inherrent stamina and health that is equal to those powers ED capped but scale with level. Thats how i would have done them. If khelds get free travel powers and we dont ge the keys to the flyer then should get free stamina and health.
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Heres my two cents.
At level one, I believe Conditioning is a .17 per second endurance increase. Thats barely noticeable in the higher levels since most of the attacks are endurance heavy. It was a nice idea to throw in that shows the background/training of VEATS, but its poorly executed. Maybe if it were bumped up to Fitness standards, or slightly lower than fitness standards, then it would be good.
oh and Captain_Lemming, please stop typing on here. I feel my brain cells slowly die as I read you posts.
I'm wondering, exactly how noticeable/useful/good is this inherent power? My Wolf Spider is the only alt I have remaining that hasn't got Stamina and/or equal or better endurance sources, so I kinda can't compare the recovery and regen to alts of the same level (only 12 last I checked). I still run out of end often and can't wait to get Stamina (glad I'm skipping a travel power, believe it or not), so obviously it doesn't cut it on its own.
How does Conditioning affect your playstyle?