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I'm wondering, exactly how noticeable/useful/good is this inherent power? My Wolf Spider is the only alt I have remaining that hasn't got Stamina and/or equal or better endurance sources, so I kinda can't compare the recovery and regen to alts of the same level (only 12 last I checked). I still run out of end often and can't wait to get Stamina (glad I'm skipping a travel power, believe it or not), so obviously it doesn't cut it on its own.
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Yeah, it is a bit hard to tell as my SoA usually carries several toggles.
My Fort has both Numina/Miracle and she has zero endurance issue but I have a feeling a lot of toons won't have endurance issue with both uniques so what is our advantage? 
SoA's base health is also pathetically low (which I can understand) so I doubt the +regen effect is that noticeable. Maybe it's more noticeable on Crab.
What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.
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While I would take any buff offered, with three of the four SoA branches being clearly overpowered (not complaining I <3 my widow and huntsman) and the banes being darn good, I think you all are going to have a hard time getting Castle to come on board with this.
The SoA's inherent is that they are full of win. I wouldn't be calling too much attention to the AT in general.
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I don't go into the SoA forums much. I'm more of a MM/Scrapper/Blaster/PvP guy. But I've never been more happy to have gone into a random forum than I am right now. I think that this above quote has convinced me to be a more frequent visitor of the SoA forums. It's quite possibly the most "Got 'em"/"PWN'T" post I've seen. And I've seen a lot of quotes by Werner.
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I definately agree on the buff to conditioning. Even just a small increase would make a difference in my opinion. Either that or give us a REAL inherent power. I could see the small "Conditioning" buff as just a base stat buff for us, and then a seperate inherent power, wether it be click or passive or whatever.
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read the other tread going about all this... conditioning was made to offset the fact u use toggles and when your toon is slotted right you'll never run out of end...enless u meet mr. sapper
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Your post, #13766913 - 07/17/09 07:04 AM. If mutilating English were natural, you wouldn't be accidentally spelling simple three letter words like "you" correctly in your rush to defend your preferred style of text-based communication.
No, you're doing it because you think it's "cool" and you believe it impresses other "cool" people who communicate through grunts and gaseous emissions.
By all means, role play the lobotomized chimp. Just don't be surprised if grunting and belching doesn't get you very far on the Co* forums. The average intellect around here is higher than room temperature.
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Have 2 lvl 50 SoAs and 2 lvl 23 SoAs (50 Crab/Bane 23 Widows) I see the difference in Conditions pre-specialization. Conditioning helps a lot pre-lvl 24 and the time where it's harder to earn money/slot/team. (Not-counting Plvling in AE). Once you hit 24, and you can afford 'hancers, Conditioning does fade a bit to a background helper.
Overall, Conditioning could use a buff, but I don't see a problem if it isn't. Unless your playing a fully un-slotted SoA, then I see a problem. My Bane runs TT: Maneuvers, TT: Leadership, and Maneuvers and hovers from 113 to 110 and back. (I <3 Accolades and Set bonuses) My Crab runs TT: Maneuvers, TT: Assault, TT: Leadership, Assaults, Maneuvers. And runs from 110 to 100 and back. Don't know the exact numbers with Conditioning, but I think it's more slot-wise that my Recovery is good. This is also running both armors (Wolf Spider Armor + Upgrades) as well as the CT self-buffs (Don't remember if they take end or not) as well as the Stealth or Fortification.
I don't understand why people complain about this that are working to specs, and not really need the ups in the first place.
Like that thread talking about giving Banes a T9 power like Elude.... Not needed if you play the Bane well -.-
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While I would take any buff offered, with three of the four SoA branches being clearly overpowered (not complaining I <3 my widow and huntsman) and the banes being darn good, I think you all are going to have a hard time getting Castle to come on board with this.
The SoA's inherent is that they are full of win. I wouldn't be calling too much attention to the AT in general.
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Overpowered? Which one isn't overpowered? And why are they considered overpowered?
Ultimus, Even though I'm not the OP of that quote, with friends ideas, They think the Crab, Fortunata, and Bane are "Over-powered". The Night Widow lacks in PvE To them. Me myself, I don't think any of them are over-powered. People just slot them for what they need to make them good. Hell, Supposedly Spine/Regens scrappers, Archery/MM Blasters, and MM period were considered overpowered, but aren't.
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While I would take any buff offered, with three of the four SoA branches being clearly overpowered (not complaining I <3 my widow and huntsman) and the banes being darn good, I think you all are going to have a hard time getting Castle to come on board with this.
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OK, we won't have much longer to talk about this but:
The SoA are all classic Tank-Mages. They are high damage, ranged/melee combatants with significant defense and mez protection.
The Widows can trivially soft-cap defense to all positions while having scaling resistance, complete mez protection and strong psi resistance.
The Crab has Dull Pain and significant levels of damage resistance.
The Bane (which is the one I think might be merely strong instead of overpowered), has moderate defense, resistance, +health and mez protection.
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While I would take any buff offered, with three of the four SoA branches being clearly overpowered (not complaining I <3 my widow and huntsman) and the banes being darn good, I think you all are going to have a hard time getting Castle to come on board with this.
The SoA's inherent is that they are full of win. I wouldn't be calling too much attention to the AT in general.
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OK, we won't have much longer to talk about this but:
The SoA are all classic Tank-Mages. They are high damage, ranged/melee combatants with significant defense and mez protection.
The Widows can trivially soft-cap defense to all positions while having scaling resistance, complete mez protection and strong psi resistance.
The Crab has Dull Pain and significant levels of damage resistance.
The Bane (which is the one I think might be merely strong instead of overpowered), has moderate defense, resistance, +health and mez protection.
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While I would take any buff offered, with three of the four SoA branches being clearly overpowered (not complaining I <3 my widow and huntsman) and the banes being darn good, I think you all are going to have a hard time getting Castle to come on board with this.
The SoA's inherent is that they are full of win. I wouldn't be calling too much attention to the AT in general.
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OK, we won't have much longer to talk about this but:
The SoA are all classic Tank-Mages. They are high damage, ranged/melee combatants with significant defense and mez protection.
The Widows can trivially soft-cap defense to all positions while having scaling resistance, complete mez protection and strong psi resistance.
The Crab has Dull Pain and significant levels of damage resistance.
The Bane (which is the one I think might be merely strong instead of overpowered), has moderate defense, resistance, +health and mez protection.
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Which was my point all along. While I wouldn't object to more regen/recovery for Conditioning, this is an AT that is not suffering in any way.
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While I would take any buff offered, with three of the four SoA branches being clearly overpowered (not complaining I <3 my widow and huntsman) and the banes being darn good, I think you all are going to have a hard time getting Castle to come on board with this.
The SoA's inherent is that they are full of win. I wouldn't be calling too much attention to the AT in general.
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OK, we won't have much longer to talk about this but:
The SoA are all classic Tank-Mages. They are high damage, ranged/melee combatants with significant defense and mez protection.
The Widows can trivially soft-cap defense to all positions while having scaling resistance, complete mez protection and strong psi resistance.
The Crab has Dull Pain and significant levels of damage resistance.
The Bane (which is the one I think might be merely strong instead of overpowered), has moderate defense, resistance, +health and mez protection.
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Which was my point all along. While I wouldn't object to more regen/recovery for Conditioning, this is an AT that is not suffering in any way.
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As much as it pains me to agree, I agree that it doesnt really need to be boosted. My widow has a lot of trouble with endurance, but she is the ultimate fighter (imo). I can jump into the middle of a crowd and not die (multiple times) and also kill the entire group.
Althought the idea of a buff to Conditioning would be a nice thing to have. I think that the VEATs need a little bit of trouble with endurance to balance out the amazing power that they encompass.
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How right you are.
First, if it doesn't let you skip Stamina, it's useless.
Second, VEAT Recovery just might be bugged.
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so were complaing about have a class with a hi end use do to the powers and toggles we the players pick.
yes i would luv for my blue bar to never run out and could steamroll on my own with out stamina and end reuction. but thts just not how this game is made.
with the right end ruduction and stamina i roll just fine and conditioning really helps at lower lvls intill you start getting the heavy end powers.
on a side note pre last patch/issue i had no end problems till the devs re-wrote the end formula again
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While I would take any buff offered, with three of the four SoA branches being clearly overpowered (not complaining I <3 my widow and huntsman) and the banes being darn good, I think you all are going to have a hard time getting Castle to come on board with this.
The SoA's inherent is that they are full of win. I wouldn't be calling too much attention to the AT in general.
The City of Heroes Community is a special one and I will always look fondly on my times arguing, discussing and playing with you all. Thanks and thanks to the developers for a special experience.