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Dev Diary - Signature Rogues - By Positron

alienuterus

By alienuterus,
Posted on: 2009-07-13 16:22 in Developers' Corner

 

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I don't think references to how thick Desdemona is were meant to be negative...

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Heavens no.

Fat bottomed girls make this rockin' world go round, after all.

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I don't know what you're talking about >.>

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You had to quote me while the post was bugged, didn't you?

From what I recall, they did try to organize a nude bicycle ride when they released that and Bicycle on a double-sided vinyl.

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You had to quote me while the post was bugged, didn't you?

From what I recall, they did try to organize a nude bicycle ride when they released that and Bicycle on a double-sided vinyl.

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Ok this is cool, but if we 'go rogue' does it mean we loose all the progress of our original side? I assume it does, but for instance, My main blaster is SG Leader with top prestige, if I switch sides will I loose those points and get kicked from my group? Has no one thought of that yet? Or did I just miss it?

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You know, we do not know enough yet but maybe this will not be an issue. Maybe everything will become unified in a sense. Maybe original villains will be able to join hero SGs and vice versa. Maybe we will not have to see heroes and villains as two separate games anymore. So switching side could ( i say could ) have you remaining in your hero SG even while you are playing in the Rogue Isles.

In the end, maybe we are seeing issues and problems where there are none. We will see soon enough what's the dev plan for all that.

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Is it just me or does Desdemona look like an homage to Betty Page?

Don't get me wrong, this is a very good thing, even my wife agrees!

 

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I don't think references to how thick Desdemona is were meant to be negative...

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Heavens no.

Fat bottomed girls make this rockin' world go round, after all.

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Fixed the fixed...



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What I want to know, is if Lord Recluse's counterpart survived Emperor Cole's ascension.

 

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Malestrom - a lot like Chamber of Gen X (marvel)

Desdemona - seems a bit like Magik (iyanna rasputin) of New Mutants (Marvel) -

I get the blaster thing, what I don't think I can follow is a demon summoning anything using that power for good. Just my two RP cents but if you are talking "demons" in the classic sense then why would they want the souls of those already "dammed" as it were.

 

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I don't think references to how thick Desdemona is were meant to be negative...

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Heavens no.

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Fixed back. "Baby Got Back" isn't a rock song dear.

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I don't think references to how thick Desdemona is were meant to be negative...

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Heavens no.

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Fixed back. "Baby Got Back" isn't a rock song dear.

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And? As awesome as Queen is, you can't hate on the equally appropriate song for this particular character.

 

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Malestrom - a lot like Chamber of Gen X (marvel)

Desdemona - seems a bit like Magik (iyanna rasputin) of New Mutants (Marvel) -

I get the blaster thing, what I don't think I can follow is a demon summoning anything using that power for good. Just my two RP cents but if you are talking "demons" in the classic sense then why would they want the souls of those already "dammed" as it were.

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They don't have any choice. What they want is only relevant in as far as they can act. Presumably Desdemona makes them do whatever she wants them to do regardless of whether it makes them happy or not. It sounds like she's on their number one hit parade anyway.

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Malestrom - a lot like Chamber of Gen X (marvel)

Desdemona - seems a bit like Magik (iyanna rasputin) of New Mutants (Marvel) -

I get the blaster thing, what I don't think I can follow is a demon summoning anything using that power for good. Just my two RP cents but if you are talking "demons" in the classic sense then why would they want the souls of those already "dammed" as it were.

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They don't have any choice. What they want is only relevant in as far as they can act. Presumably Desdemona makes them do whatever she wants them to do regardless of whether it makes them happy or not. It sounds like she's on their number one hit parade anyway.

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Infernal certainly doesn't have problems with having his demons work for the greater good, either.

 

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Yeah I was thinking about Spawn as well after I posted. Should be interesting if they are demons, what their power sets will be (imps/fire dmg or some fire+special dmg).

 

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While I won't comment on the mechanics, I assure you that existing characters will be able to "Go Rogue". I fully plan on running opposite faction content on my existing characters.

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Thank you, thank you, thank you, a million times, THANK YOU. Now I will simply be linking to this post and following with "Shut up please." whenever someone starts spouting that nonsense.

Also, dunno if it's just the fact that I'm tired but the phrase "Tatts on her clavicle" just sounded REALLY dirty to me. XD My brain is a scary place to live.

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Yay a Dev answered my post!!!

I still don't like the quotation marks... it isn't a straight forward answer

...JKPhage if he said that " Yea I wont comment on the mechanics, but I do plan my villain to park her fanny at atlas and chill out there for a few and then do some missions with heroes and use an APP and fill myself out"...Nope it said he will play opposing faction content... didn't say where, didn't say how...

While his answer may make you feel like you are right...it doesn't give us any new info...just says we'll be able to "Go Rogue" and play hero content...not live in Paragon City...which is a direct conflict to Posi's idea/explanation of GR...

Oh and Tatts on her Clavical does sound dirty...Not my sorta thing...

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Just my two RP cents but if you are talking "demons" in the classic sense then why would they want the souls of those already "dammed" as it were.

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Another counterpoint in the RP side of things is that demons don't get many souls running around tearing up the mortal realm. They get souls by convincing people to do evil things. Being summoned to fight tooth and claw by powerful mortals, be they good or evil, isn't doing much in that regard. There is the likely exception, of course, of the actual summoner. Depending on how you spin it, it can be argued (and has been in some game systems) that summoning such intrinsically evil beings is an intrinsically evil act, no matter then end to which it is a means.

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...I would pay to see a War Witch V. Ghost Widow V. Desdemona jell-o match...

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While I won't comment on the mechanics, I assure you that existing characters will be able to "Go Rogue". I fully plan on running opposite faction content on my existing characters.

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Thank you, thank you, thank you, a million times, THANK YOU. Now I will simply be linking to this post and following with "Shut up please." whenever someone starts spouting that nonsense.

Also, dunno if it's just the fact that I'm tired but the phrase "Tatts on her clavicle" just sounded REALLY dirty to me. XD My brain is a scary place to live.

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Yay a Dev answered my post!!!

I still don't like the quotation marks... it isn't a straight forward answer

...JKPhage if he said that " Yea I wont comment on the mechanics, but I do plan my villain to park her fanny at atlas and chill out there for a few and then do some missions with heroes and use an APP and fill myself out"...Nope it said he will play opposing faction content... didn't say where, didn't say how...

While his answer may make you feel like you are right...it doesn't give us any new info...just says we'll be able to "Go Rogue" and play hero content...not live in Paragon City...which is a direct conflict to Posi's idea/explanation of GR...

Oh and Tatts on her Clavical does sound dirty...Not my sorta thing...

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see the post I made in the other thread here

 

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:: Transcript from future gameplay::

Desemona: From the shadows of the abyss I summon you, Fire imps!!!

Desdemona: Look faithful Imps, that Circle of TYhiorn Mage is going to sacrafice that baby for it evil gods!!!

Fire Imp 1: You want us to do what?! Save that baby!
Fire Imp 2: In the abyss, we eat babies!!!
Fire Imp 1: Yea thats breakfast!!!
Fire Imp 3: Baby saving is not for us!

Desdemona: You see this pact!!! :: Points to a dark scroll:: I own you! Go save that baby from the Circle of Thorns or I'll have you on Laundry duty!!

Fire Imp 1: ...Fine
Fire Imp 2: ...I used to rule towns?!
Fire Imp 3: ...I think we have no choice!

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Ocho8 doesnt say that but Posi does... I am skeptical about the full going rogue capacity, can you blame me?

If it was so easy, so remarkably easy to go rogue...why can't I just go have a drink at Pocket D with a hero and go back to their place for hero training?! Pocket D has a PC/RI junction!

Until Positron himself releases the exact details as to how I will switch and where I will logout I am not taking his word on a hint.

it is not so difficult for people to grasp that? I dont want a letter to the gamers saying this or that I want the official mechanic/function feature.

Until I see the exact mechanic log I wont be thrilled... Maybe we get an office in atlas, a redeemed villain support group On the left side of city hall?!

There is not enough info on anyones part to go all Keyboard-Axe...I just want 100% confirmation

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Ocho8 doesnt say that but Posi does... I am skeptical about the full going rogue capacity, can you blame me?

If it was so easy, so remarkably easy to go rogue...why can't I just go have a drink at Pocket D with a hero and go back to their place for hero training?! Pocket D has a PC/RI junction!

Until Positron himself releases the exact details as to how I will switch and where I will logout I am not taking his word on a hint.

it is not so difficult for people to grasp that? I dont want a letter to the gamers saying this or that I want the official mechanic/function feature.

Until I see the exact mechanic log I wont be thrilled... Maybe we get an office in atlas, a redeemed villain support group On the left side of city hall?!

There is not enough info on anyones part to go all Keyboard-Axe...I just want 100% confirmation

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Why so skeptical about Going Rogue? The feature is exactly and as simple as your think it is. The end result will be redeemed Villains running around Atlas Park, Steel Canyon, Mastermind running in the Statesman Task Force, fallen Tanker tanking the Hamidon in the Abyss during red-side Hamidon raids, a villainous lowbie Blaster talking to Kalinda and stealing Doc Quamtum's cape to gain the right to wear a cape in the Rouge Isles. All of that a more will happen.

Technically switching sides is simply changing a flag on the character. That's it. Change the the flag and a Defender goes from Hero to Villain. They've had that capacility since CoV went online in Issue 6. The problem is that coth Blue side and Red Side wasn't designed with side switching in mind. So there are (were) lots of things which might run into trouble with allowing Heroes and Villains to freely intermingle. All enocunter have to be reevaluated for balance with all ATs in mind. A level 43 fallen Hero just dinged and is training up. does he (and will he) get his APP power choice? Will the game client crash. What about respecs? The devs had to spend a lot of time looking at everything to make sure stuff won't break. The devs have been looking at balance issues with how Villain and Heroes teaming. Remeber all of the co-op holiday missions and now coop TFs/SFs.

And the biggest anchor on making it happening was resources to do all of that prep work. They never could do that with Cryptic still creating the game. Well now that it's all inhouse at NcSoft and NcSoft pouring more money and resoueces into it, that final anchor went away. So at some point in the near future there will me Broadcasts in AP "Level 4 MM LTF".

Edit: And to put my money where my mouth is, so to say, I've got a Dominator with side switching in mind when I created her. Sadly side switching didn't come about soon enough so that the Dominator got level 44 and that was after a character purge and re-roll. That character will remain unplayed until Going Rogue does finally come. And Natchdorn will be the first character of mine to make the swtich.

 

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I'd like to add that you shouldn't confuse "easy" as in "yes, a fallen Tanker will be running missions in Sharhead being buffed by Corruptors" with "easy" as in "your tanker walks across the border and is automatically considered a rogue hero".

My expectation is that you have to do something to switch sides beyond visit a contact and pick from a list of what side you want to be on. It seems rather likely that this hypothetical "something" will be part of the content that you get with the GR expansion.

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American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
Red
Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
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I'd like to add that you shouldn't confuse "easy" as in "yes, a fallen Tanker will be running missions in Sharhead being buffed by Corruptors" with "easy" as in "your tanker walks across the border and is automatically considered a rogue hero".

My expectation is that you have to do something to switch sides beyond visit a contact and pick from a list of what side you want to be on. It seems rather likely that this hypothetical "something" will be part of the content that you get with the GR expansion.

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It's a good bet to wager that it'd be done over the course of some story arc.

 

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Possibly a choice must be made. If choice 1 is made you walk in darkness if choice 2 is made cotuine the path of justice. Perhaps we're going to get branching arcs

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