No missions ever added to Ouroboros?

Back in February of 2008 Positron mentioned that if we let him know which missions we'd like added to the Flashbacks that he'd "do my best to get them there."

In that thread a number of things were mentioned, mostly Safeguard and Mayhem missions. I'd also like to recommend Rikti zone invasions and Zombie zone invasions be placed in the flashback system as well. That way those who want to relive those zone invasions can, while those who hate the lag aren't inconvienced by them. Those special holiday missions that we get in Pocket D could also be added to Flashbacks. The Calvin Scott Task Force should also be added to Ouroboros. (Yes, I'm aware of coding issues with the Calvin Scott TF, that doesn't invalidate anything else in this post.)

Anyway, my point is that none of the missions that we asked for have been added to the Flashback system. In fact with the exception of the new storyarcs that have been added to the game since Flashback came into existence, no missions have been added the Flashback system at all.

So... sometimes I wonder if none is really Positron's best effort.

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There is no way Zombie and Rikti zone invasions will be added into the flashback system since the most amount of people that can be in a Flashback is 8. With a "zone event" inside an instanced mission, you can be sure that there will be too much going against you. Zone events are just that... large scale events for a large scale amount of players.

Holiday events will never be added, unless it's the '05 missions only used once, since the Holiday events happen every year. Sure you have to wait for them to happen, but having access to them anytime you want takes away from the uniqueness of it.

Safeguard and Mayhems would be nice, however. It would be easier than calling out and hoping for someone that has it. But I don't see them being added since there is no story to them. The purpose of the Ouroboros is to going back and redo entire storyarcs that you may/may not have missed. Mayhems are just missions that don't affect the story of the game.

Truth be told, there isn't much that you can't access via Flashbacks. I mean, the only things that you can't access are the missions you get inbetween large storyarcs that the contacts give.

The added all of the newer storyarcs to the Flashback system, so they do give us new additions (Veats, Cimerora, Midnighter)

Other than those, I'm not sure of any major storyarcs that aren't in the Flashback system.

Plus, I doubt we'll get any 1 mission arcs added since people would use those, and only those, to farm the Flashback badges.

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Some of the requests here sound valid. And yes there was mention by Positron of a desire to get more missions available via flashback.

But that being said: there are already mechanics in place for zone invasions to be triggered normally, both zombies and Rikti.

And personally what I would prefer to see with the mayhems/safeguards as a flashback system is once you hit 50, and have successfully:

- once completed the top level mayhem/safeguard
- you go ahead, do five more paper/radio missions
- talk to your detective
- and are then, at 50, with the top level mission under your belt, are given the option to flashback to any mayhem/safeguard you'd like to repeat or may have missed

It seems like the most "fair" way to do it IMO. And yes, getting those exploration badges can be a real pain at times, especially on more veteran characters.

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In that thread a number of things were mentioned, mostly Safeguard and Mayhem missions.

[/ QUOTE ]We were told that this wasn't as simple as the others to add, but something they'd eventually try to do IIRC.

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I'd also like to recommend Rikti zone invasions and Zombie zone invasions be placed in the flashback system as well.

[/ QUOTE ]No, that's what the triggers are for, and also what Oz is not for.

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Those special holiday missions that we get in Pocket D could also be added to Flashbacks.

[/ QUOTE ]Keyword: Special. They're not supposed to be always open. Also: Most of the contacts are only there for the actual event, then removed (can't recall if DJ Zero is still used as a contact or not). Can't really give you an Oz arc if the contact doesn't exist.

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I would of sworn in beta Calvin Scott TF was active. I forget why they removed it but it should be re-added. I also would of sworn Positron said he would bring it back.

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I would of sworn in beta Calvin Scott TF was active. I forget why they removed it but it should be re-added. I also would of sworn Positron said he would bring it back.

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Story reason, I think. I vaguely remember it needed removed and updated for something they did to one of the signature heroes.

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I would of sworn in beta Calvin Scott TF was active. I forget why they removed it but it should be re-added. I also would of sworn Positron said he would bring it back.

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It was removed because Calvin Scott didn't exist in the real world, so there was no way to get the second mission. (or the first mission, but point is, at some point you had to talk to Scott, and his non-existance made it problematic.)

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I would of sworn in beta Calvin Scott TF was active. I forget why they removed it but it should be re-added. I also would of sworn Positron said he would bring it back.

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IIRC someone made a this TF in the MA. I don't know who or what to search for, but I'm guessing "Calvin Scott" might work.

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Anyway, my point is that none of the missions that we asked for have been added to the Flashback system. In fact with the exception of the new storyarcs that have been added to the game since Flashback came into existence, no missions have been added the Flashback system at all.


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So apart from the stuff added to flashback nothing has been added ?

I12 Added redside VEAT, plus Midnighter and Origin of power arcs. (3 red 2 blue arcs for everyone)
I13 Added the Cim arcs (2 each for red and blue), Mercedes' arcs (3 blue 1 red) as well as Merit Rewards for all the existing arcs.
I14 and I15 admitedly didn't add anything

Still thats 13 new arcs added, plus a whole new rewards system for those arcs.

Safeguards and Mayhems would be a good addition I agree, but I'm very thankful they have taken the time to add those new arcs to flashback. I missed them on most of my 50s and it gives me a way to access that content on them.

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I would of sworn in beta Calvin Scott TF was active. I forget why they removed it but it should be re-added. I also would of sworn Positron said he would bring it back.

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It was removed because Calvin Scott didn't exist in the real world, so there was no way to get the second mission. (or the first mission, but point is, at some point you had to talk to Scott, and his non-existance made it problematic.)

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Why not put Calvin Scott in Oroborous...? That way he can exist just like the other TF contacts in the zone.

-Rachel-

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My main concern on this has been how devs have screwed villains on this. Villains have no way to go back to get mayhem badges for the accolade. Thats part of the reason I have the hardest time leveling my villains. I have to stop getting xp to make sure I dont miss the badge every few levels. If this was changed things would be different for me. We need mayhems added to flashback.

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We were told that this wasn't as simple as the others to add, but something they'd eventually try to do IIRC.

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Uhm...

Please go back and read Positron's post that I linked to. That's not what we were told.

Anyway, I often wonder why none of the old missions have been added to Ouroboros. Positron did say that he'd do his best. I wonder what it was that was so powerful that it prevented him from succeeding...

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Safeguard and Mayhems would be nice.

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Agreed.

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We were told that this wasn't as simple as the others to add, but something they'd eventually try to do IIRC.

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Uhm...

Please go back and read Positron's post that I linked to. That's not what we were told.

[/ QUOTE ]He said "Anything can be made Flashback". He never said ANYTHING about the difficulty/practicality. You're jumping to conclusions.

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I wonder what it was that was so powerful that it prevented him from succeeding...

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Maybe making new content instead of recycling old content that's already accessable to people if they team with lowbies?

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pohsyb: I mean you kinda were one already anyways ^_^
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You're jumping to conclusions.

[/ QUOTE ]I'm not jumping to any conclusions.

I never claimed that it would be easy. I don't know if it's easy or difficult, I don't work at Paragon Studios. It's just that what you claimed was said was not what was said.

Yeah, the Ouroboros zone isn't exactly empty. The area around the portal is always full of people zoning in and zoning out. It's just the rest of the zone that's usually empty.

EvilRyu does have a point. All of the hero accolades can be earned either through normal play or via flashback. That's just not true of the villain accolades. They could fix that, and I've often wondered why they haven't yet done so.

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It's just that what you claimed was said was not what was said.

[/ QUOTE ]The Mayhem/Safeguard comment was not about the picture you linked, there's another post where they're explicitly talking about them and that it's not so simple for them.

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They could fix that, and I've often wondered why they haven't yet done so.

[/ QUOTE ]Maybe because it's not a simple thing to do, like I had already said they said? No, that'd make too much sense! It must be a conspiracy! It's always a conspiracy...

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Maybe because it's not a simple thing to do, like I had already said they said? No, that'd make too much sense! It must be a conspiracy! It's always a conspiracy...

[/ QUOTE ]You know, no one here is flipping out and screaming "it's a conspiracy" except YOU.

I was kinda hoping that we could calmly discuss Ouroboros and the flashback feature. I see however that a few people seem to have gotten it into their minds that I am attacking the developers and hinting at conspiracies.

I am doing nothing of the sort.

I apologize to you sincerely if you believe that I have attacked the developers, your mom, or yourself. I wasn't trying to attack anyone. I was hoping that we could have a thread and calmly discuss Ouroboros. I guess that would be too boring. I guess that pouncing and slashing and drama are much more fun.

So can we please put the knives away? Can we just calmly discuss Ouroboros? Or must the screaming and accusations continue?

Geez, I can't even discuss anything on this forum anymore without the Dev Defense Patrol leaping on me like a pack of wild piranna determined to destroy me and defend the honor of the developers.

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I was kinda hoping that we could calmly discuss Ouroboros and the flashback feature.

[/ QUOTE ]Then maybe you should stop ignoring what people have said just to claim they don't understand?

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Other than those, I'm not sure of any major storyarcs that aren't in the Flashback system.

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Major story arcs, no. Minor story arcs, there are many. Most villainside contacts have two arcs, a major one and a minor one, and the minor ones aren't accessible through Flashback.

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Plus, I doubt we'll get any 1 mission arcs added since people would use those, and only those, to farm the Flashback badges.

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They could be flagged to not count, like the badge missions are.

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I would of sworn in beta Calvin Scott TF was active. I forget why they removed it but it should be re-added. I also would of sworn Positron said he would bring it back.

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It was removed because Calvin Scott didn't exist in the real world, so there was no way to get the second mission. (or the first mission, but point is, at some point you had to talk to Scott, and his non-existance made it problematic.)

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Why not put Calvin Scott in Oroborous...? That way he can exist just like the other TF contacts in the zone.

-Rachel-

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There's actually no reason for Scott not to be put back in the real world. He's still alive, he's still Aurora's husband, as far as I know. He just wouldn't do anything, unless you started his TF through Ouroboros.

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Safeguard and Mayhems would be nice.

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Agreed.

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I've been waiting on this for a while.

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I would of sworn in beta Calvin Scott TF was active. I forget why they removed it but it should be re-added. I also would of sworn Positron said he would bring it back.

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It was removed because Calvin Scott didn't exist in the real world, so there was no way to get the second mission. (or the first mission, but point is, at some point you had to talk to Scott, and his non-existance made it problematic.)

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Why not put Calvin Scott in Oroborous...? That way he can exist just like the other TF contacts in the zone.

-Rachel-

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There's actually no reason for Scott not to be put back in the real world. He's still alive, he's still Aurora's husband, as far as I know. He just wouldn't do anything, unless you started his TF through Ouroboros.

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Now I can't help imagining that Calvin Scott no longer gives his TF because Aurora tied him to the bed the second she got control of her body back. He's still there today.

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Now I can't help imagining that Calvin Scott no longer gives his TF because Aurora tied him to the bed the second she got control of her body back. He's still there today.

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If I remember correctly one of the rednames said that Calvin Scott not being physically present in the game would prevent the players from contacting him for the second mission. Or words to that effect.

I seem to remember people suggesting physically putting Calvin Scott in some enclosed location that the players could not access just so he would exist in game. However, with the Pillar of Flame's "Teleport to Contact" function that might present a problem.

Also having those minor storyarcs present in Ourboros for people who've missed them to run is a great idea Eva. Even if they didn't give badges or merits it's still content that's been missed that people could do/redo.

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