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Renegades tried to recruit all of my players, including me (I didn't create RPvPH, Sneaky and Tox did. But they bailed and went to WoW, leaving me in control of an SG that I didn't recruit. Note that I left RPvPH shortly after). Renegades actually offered to merge with us, as long as we agreed to drop you and black barrier. I knew who blood mark was, but I didn't recognize your forum name. That doesn't change the fact that you managed to get farmed on a stalker in i13, be very late on locks, and inconsistently get ASes off. Dying 4 times on a stalker is aweful, especially in i13 pvp. I only died once *ever* on my stalker in our matches - and that was due to the unfixed TK+ KB bug. I had never played stalker before i13, and if I can manage not to get farmed, it really shouldn't be hard for the starting stalker from UJL. You got farmed in virtualy every practice I put you into. Never did Void or Divine die more than you did. Void and Divine were exponentially faster on ASes than you were. If that isn't true, why didn't you start for a more reputable VG than UJL?
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So you're saying that Renegades asked to merge with you, if you would drop me lol. That's ether a bold faced lie, which wouldn't surprise me after the other doozies you've dropped so far, or I upset Renegades greatly by not taking them up on their offer (If this was the case, it would mean I was offered the slot before you were lol. That right there says a ton). Regardless of which scenario is actually true (most likely you're just lying again), it doesn't change the fact that the #1 team saw value in me as a player. Or did you overlook the obvious? If your definition of farmed is me dying 4 times in a single match and never more than 2 times in any other match, well then you win at your opinion, gg. Nobody is perfect, and will have a bad game now and again. Considering the other stalker in all other matches died more times than I did, I think that your opinion and recollection stands about as tall as your 'opinion' and 'recollection' on combat jumping suppressing lol. (The new ruling champ for the most ignorant forum posts I've ever seen by the way, thanks loads for that) My locks where always fine and more often than not came prior to the 3rd spiker. If you actually PLAYED in any of the practices you would know my ASes were far more consistant than any of the other stalkers that I ran with, which is actually where the problems began lol. As I stated before, we were having problems with the timing on the spikes because I always arrived at the target prior to the other stalker. Again, did you conveniently forget about these conversations on more than one occasion in vent chat?
I didn't change VG's away from UJL for the same reasons I stayed with RPvPH instead of going to Renegades. For starters the health of the ladder needs to be considered. Renegades was trying to absorb as many of the players as possible that they felt were reasonably good. Combine most of the players who know what they are doing with good lineups, regular practice schedules, and excellent management on one team, and suddenly you have a #1 team that will stay #1. I grew out of the need for the 'I win' feeling when playing video games back in highschool, and now get it everyday in real life on the stock market. Where is the fun and challenge in being on the unbeatable team? Considering you even bothered to ask me why I didn't go after membership in Ren's proves why you play this game. (Pretty young, huh? No worries, you'll grow out of it) Bleak and I have been having conversations about trying to start a ladder that was based on draft picks, to get things on fair ground, instead of a tallent grab that the current and past ladders have been based on. The one big hurdle has been getting people to lead those teams. Hopefully we'll make some progress on this project.
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You are right about one thing: those matches where UJL lost by 20+ points were not officials, they were practices (Which is just as funny).
Here is a pic of UJL in an official match.
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h2.../UJLMatch3.jpg
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While I cant currently view the picture, I'll assume your provided picture does not have a spread of 20+ points or more in an official right? Why are you loading ammo into my argument? lol
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Now it's your turn, post these so called 'screenies' with us losing by over 20 point. Awwww, don't have them huh? That's what I thought.
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http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h2.../UJLMatch3.jpg
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lol get wrecked. Now to defend my post, because you're obviously going to say something along the lines of "YOUR WRONG CUZ THAT IS ONLY 14 NOT 20 N00B."
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Here is a pic of UJL in an official match.
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h2.../UJLMatch3.jpg
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While I cant currently view the picture, I'll assume your provided picture does not have a spread of 20+ points or more in an official right? Why are you loading ammo into my argument? lol
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I win--omg what' my prize? Also lol@u for "not being able to view the picture." suuuurrreeeee
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@Siphonic
RIP PX, GMW, and the game that used to be fun.
Still playing for reasons unknown.
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Your views on PvP are less informed than something Super Deveron would write up in five minutes.
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Super Deveron is a PvP guru. Look at him beat 2 brutes at once. Best PvPer eva!!!1!1
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photobucket doesn't exactly contain malicious software and it sounds like you're avoiding it, one doesn't have to lose by 20+ points when you get shut out 14-0 which is just as bad or even worse.
I guess for whatever weird reason, people want to "save face" in a video game that earns you $0 income.
I'll take your word on it that the screeny showed 14-0, and confirm tonight when I get into my gaming computer. That's doesn't surprise me at all. You're missing the point of my debate of this issue with him completely, please check my original comment: "Please note, I never claimed UJL was of equal skill level to the likes of Ren's and GMW, I was just responding to your 20+ comment." This conversation had nothing to do with our skill level as a TEAM and never has. It has everything to do with continued proof that Mr. Silit has himself a compulsive lying problem about 'what he remembers.'
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photobucket doesn't exactly contain malicious software and it sounds like you're avoiding it, one doesn't have to lose by 20+ points when you get shut out 14-0 which is just as bad or even worse.
I guess for whatever weird reason, people want to "save face" in a video game that earns you $0 income.
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I'll take your word on it that the screeny showed 14-0, and confirm tonight when I get into my gaming computer. That's doesn't surprise me at all. You're missing the point of my debate of this issue with him completely, please check my original comment: "Please note, I never claimed UJL was of equal skill level to the likes of Ren's and GMW, I was just responding to your 20+ comment." This conversation had nothing to do with our skill level as a TEAM and never has. It has everything to do with continued proof that Mr. Silit has himself a compulsive lying problem about 'what he remembers.'
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While I cant currently view the picture, I'll assume your provided picture does not have a spread of 20+ points or more in an official right? Why are you loading ammo into my argument? lol
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photobucket doesn't exactly contain malicious software and it sounds like you're avoiding it, one doesn't have to lose by 20+ points when you get shut out 14-0 which is just as bad or even worse.
I guess for whatever weird reason, people want to "save face" in a video game that earns you $0 income.
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I kan nitpick too!!!!
(Honestly, 20 : 0 is effectively the same as 14:0, in both cases u had no chance and lost, badly)
I'm just saying...it's pointless to cling to the 20+ comment, a bad loss is a bad loss, it was a shut out by a large margin.
and...why do you need to look at it on your gaming computer? like I said...Photobucket isn't exactly the devil >_> even if you're at work...I doubt you'd get into trouble since you're on the CoX boards and all...
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...Photobucket is exactly the devil >_> even if you're at work...Get devil insurance
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Fixt!
I was under the assumption that the 20+ was a guess or rough estimate and not a "compulsive lying problem".
Then again, what do I know 
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I was under the assumption that the 20+ was a guess or rough estimate and not a "compulsive lying problem".
Then again, what do I know
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Thank you. In practices, UJL frequently lost by over 20 to GMW, though. I probably just saw a few of those and asumed that UJL was bad.
Blood Mark, Just stop. I'm not reading your new posts because they are very long, and I think we are done here.
As I remember it, you claimed that the largest spread of points was GMW up by 12 (which still means you got pooped on). That screen clearly shows you (yes, you were in it) getting raked 14-0 by GMW in an official match. Are you a compulsive liar now for claiming that the largest spread was 12? By your mongoloidic logic, yes.
Get raked noub. Team Wreckless 4 lyfe son. Shout out to my homie Super Deveron.
Zulu: sorry this happened in your thread. It's all my fault 
( <3 )
can't we all just get along?
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I was under the assumption that the 20+ was a guess or rough estimate and not a "compulsive lying problem".
Then again, what do I know
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I'm more like that's still a bad L they took gg mets?
The funny thing is, even though you seem like one of the whiners that got the changes made in the first place, you're probably still bad..------Macskull on Crop_of_shaolin
http://ravens-wins.mybrute.com
Mongoloidic is an awesome word
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Thank you. In practices, UJL frequently lost by over 20 to GMW, though. I probably just saw a few of those and asumed that UJL was bad. As I remember it, you claimed that the largest spread of points was GMW up by 12 (which still means you got pooped on). That screen clearly shows you (yes, you were in it) getting raked 14-0 by GMW in an official match. Are you a compulsive liar now for claiming that the largest spread was 12? By your mongoloidic logic, yes.
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I'll own up to a slight mistake like a man. I had misread that score when reviewing all of them. But by your logic, I had already admitted I "got pooped on" already right? By your logic, I had already gotten the "Raaaaaaaaaaaaaape" treatment right? So clearly by your logic, the mistake I made was minuscule and irrelevant. Your exact words were "I don't remember UJL even coming within 20 points of GMW in most practices and officials." As in, we lost to them by 20+ points on a regular basis. I think that's a bit more than a mistake or 'rough estimate.' In fact it's clear it was a direct misstatement designed to miss lead others, and try and drive a point you were making home. (think the definition of that is lying, whoops)
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I don't blame you in the slightest. With all the errors, misstatements, corrections, and lies that I've had to point out over the last 5 posts or so, it must be depressing for you.
Maybe you should post some more screenies, that one of your team gettin shut out 14 to zip doesn't make it seem too far of a step tp have a 20 to zip score
Man I'm sad I missed this. I'd give up all my infamy/influence for an i12 pvp zone.
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Man I'm sad I missed this. I'd give up all my infamy/influence for an i12 pvp zone.
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QFT
i12 dUmb test team was the best ever.
Infinity and Victory mostly
dUmb, etc.
lolz PvP anymore, Market PvP for fun and profit
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Only if you throw out all those beatings we received From Velocity/JAL/VR/PX/AnyotherSG. Those don't count and you're a liar if you say they do.
At least you were better than UJL.
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For zone play, the only solution that would draw a larger crowd of casual players was to go the way they did. The fact that many of the long time zone PvPers were not a fan of this format in THIS game, doesn't change the fact that the devs were finally trying to fall in line with the industry standard. The objective was to increase activity in PvP zone play, this has been accomplished, which in turn is going to provide the devs with the data that their decision was the right one. They screwed up huge by not fully implementing all the arena options originally, which lost them their arena supporters, but that is not what this conversation is about.
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@Warhamster.
We agree on the intent, but not on the result.
In my opinion i13 pvp is a major mistake. You can't make PvP more "democratic" or "casual" by adding alot of non-intuitive rules that limit the gap between experienced and non-experienced players.
This gap, and the way you, the player, are going to close it or not is what makes the essence of PvP in a game : a sense of competition, challenge, achievement.
I've been a hardcore PvPer in my previous MMOs, and everywhere I've been I've seen the same thing : experienced and skilled players beating on less experienced and less skilled players. Organized teams beating on less organized groups of players. That's how PvP works, simply.
Thinking you can remove or lessen to a great extent those features from the PvP zones to make PvP more accessible to players is a mistake in my opinion. The intent is good, but the central idea, the way they did it (against their fans and community), and the non-intuitive rules they had to pulled out to achieve this are against what "most" people who like PvP in games are looking for, at least in my perception.
I've been one of the "PvE players" in this game who quite didnt like i12 (and before) PvP (for misc reasons), and got quite happy when they first announced a revamp.
I tested it, and now I regret i12 PvP... as weird as it can seem. The counter-intuitive normalization to dmg, resistance, and everything kinda spoils my motivation to do something that I dont see alot of logic in it.
However, I respect your opinion, as it's well argumented and coming from someone who seems to know what he's talking about. I'm glad that someone can enjoy i13 PvP and at the same time understand how it works, two points that seemed quite exclusive to me the last times I checked it.
Blood Mark, quit while you still can. When multiple people are coming in this thread and making fun of you, you should know that you aren't winning the argument, as much as you think you are.
Please, either [censored] or gtfo.
Thanks.
P.S. I <3 Silit
22 50's in Bio
@Siphonic
RIP PX, GMW, and the game that used to be fun.
Still playing for reasons unknown.
You know i remember it was a time i'd pvp and something would happen so funny i'd laugh for ages. It had funny things, challenge, competition, a since of achievement after some kills. I remember my first time in RV with my pve ice/em blaster. Morgy farmed me for like hours on his dom, im stubborn i figured I'd win that day after a while he just stopped and told me where i was going wrong.
That to me was pvp, i didn't get mad and cry to castle on the forums, i took my [censored] whoopin and learned not to take whoopins anymore like that. We actually became cool, i got my style together and the rest is history.
Now the devs step into a realm they shouldn't have trying to make everyone the same, and the biggest thing that gets alot of vets, is all that work you put in to learn the game, just for such drastic changes. I could except it if pve played this way, then to me it was just a game play change. But to make us play this mess in pvp only is awful, and it's sad that i actually like pve more now and only because my toon seems powerful in pve as compared to the weak pvp shell dr makes all of them.
Quick note devs, most of the more fun games aren't balanced, there actually far from balanced, it's just sometimes over the top stuff is fun, and underwhelming things are not. I just recently started playing EA's 1943 and most things on that game can be considered op'd, from one shot head kills to bombing runs, to high ground snipers. But that game is fun as hell, very good pvp.
Human nature is to like bigger and better, not economy class, just like the dom buffs, ok we get buffs, it's like sweet. Than before the ink dries they get nerfed, our pvp is so random, it doesn't seem to have any direction. It feels like the most important things that happened, developed over a cup of coffee. Meaning, devs sitting back eating breakfast, drinking coffee and just say well, damn today i think i'll nerf a set to hell because afterall i did contemplate that like 2 years ago.
I still believe all the nerf sets(the ones that no longer perform like veats) should have been left alone, and just the under performing sets just get a buff. And actually base the buffs off player feedback if it's a pvp change get actual pvp input.
The funny thing is, even though you seem like one of the whiners that got the changes made in the first place, you're probably still bad..------Macskull on Crop_of_shaolin
http://ravens-wins.mybrute.com
Nobody is better than UJL...we were the best.
This thread definitely took a turn for the worst.
To bring it back on topic, the new pvp blows and that bugged zone was the closest thing to fun pvp we had for a day.