I used to be like this, myself. Every little bit of clipping, lack of match between the shading of two pieces and so forth, would bug me to NO end. Hell, just ask Zombra 
Eventually, I had to make the decision between giving a character a pair of Tech Wings that made him look REALLY good, even though their shiny texture would NEVER shade quite the same as his matte back. I opted to pick the combination despite this imperfection, and it bugged me for a while, lemme tell you.
I don't know whether I simply got used to this, and the other things I chose that bugged me, but I've slowly started simply not noticing these things. And not just the things I picked before and that I'm used to. I'm generally a lot less picky about perfection as long as it looks good from a fair distance. Sure, whether it looks good or not when it bugs you all the time is an apt question, but for me I found that what bugged me was compulsive, whereas what I liked was conscious. Ignoring the compulsive didn't really decrease my enjoyment of my character, whereas embracing the conscious increased it significantly.
In short, sometimes you just gotta' do stupid, ugly stuff and stick with it for a while. It may grow on you
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That's why I got so interested in Dragonica's absolutely unrealistic chibi characters.
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We need an alternative power animation for stalker hide that is a cardboard box.
BaBs make it so....
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I don't mind the paint-on clothes. In fact, I actually like them.
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Semi random thought - I find it interesting to see people in a Supers game disliking "painted on" outfits...... because "design painted on a basic naked form" is the basic standard for comic book heroes. Yeah, you then add details like capes, utility belts, etc, but the standard generic "comic hero" is a naked muscle study covered in ink.
(Not to say that this is the One True Only Way. Just that it's kind of a basic feature of the genre. 
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There's a difference between "obviously painted on" and "skin-tight spandex", though.
A well-done costume should show at least subtle texture transitions between fabric and skin.
You can see it very well here:
http://wiki.cohtitan.com/wiki/File:Bridal_Glove.jpg
While the glove is skin-tight, you can see that its texture differs from the skin texture, and it creates the illusion of the character "wearing a piece of clothing".
Whereas the panties have lack any definition, they simply look some white paint daubed directly on the skin. In fact they have the same "matte finish" as the skin, so they don't look like a garment at all.
IMO, Witch Lace is an example of how all "with skin" options should be done. I hope an overhaul is in the cards, someday.
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I don't mind the paint-on clothes. In fact, I actually like them.
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Semi random thought - I find it interesting to see people in a Supers game disliking "painted on" outfits...... because "design painted on a basic naked form" is the basic standard for comic book heroes. Yeah, you then add details like capes, utility belts, etc, but the standard generic "comic hero" is a naked muscle study covered in ink.
(Not to say that this is the One True Only Way. Just that it's kind of a basic feature of the genre. )
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Three quarters random thought - A week ago or so was the annual body paint competition. This year an artist using a male model has won.
The funny thing about those body paint models, both male and female: They actually look clothed at first sight when they're completely painted on. Yet hero toons in costumes that are supposed to be spandex look more naked than clothed. Funny how that works.
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Que is not a word (in English).
A queue is a line.
A cue is a signal.
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Honestly, modest costumes aren't realistic for certain types of fighting, for either male or female. Superheroes lean heavily towards hand to hand fighting, and when your enemy is close enough to lay hands on you they can easily avoid most protective clothing. In addition, things like body armor make really great handholds, making it really easy for your opponent to throw you around. It doesn't matter how strong you are, if you give your enemy a good enough grip to get your feet off the ground, you're going pretty much wherever they want to put you.
If a character has more than a quarter inch of hair, you have no business talking about how "practical" or "impractical" their outfit is -- if you have hair you aren't prepared to fight. Necks are weaker than arms, and hair tends to be stronger than neck muscles, so hair is nothing more than an invitation to getting your face slammed into the nearest hard object. Almost all heroes and villains have hair that is way too long to fight in, after which point it's just silly to worry that their shirt looks too easy to pull off in a fight.
Really, once a character has hair they're already so hopelessly impractical and vain that nothing else is even close in importance. (Which is why the Frank Miller incarnation of Catwoman shaved her head.)
Capes are straight out.
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On my last Iraq tour my platoon did a lot of snatch missions, helped quiet a few prison riots, and escorted tens of thousands of detainees from one place to another. I was always outnumbered, and usually armed only with pepper spray or a taser (which has 1 shot). So if trouble started the goal was to end the fight as rapidly as possible, and to do it without injuring ourselves (since we might end up fighting tomorrow and every other day for the rest of the year, even little injuries could end up costing). Losing one fight means you die.
Pulling hair like in a high school catfight won't do much of anything. However, grabbing a handful of scalp lets you control a guy's head, usually causes him to grab weakly at your hand so you can get control of at least one of his hands, lets you expose their neck for a brachial stun or a choke, and gives you great leverage for taking a guy to the ground. On top of that most guys don't defend their hair because they don't expect it to be used against them.
There's a lot of dirty things I might do in a fight -- grabbing hair is not the only dirty trick -- but my goal was always to get my enemy under control in 5 to 10 seconds so his 5 buddies wouldn't have time to figure out what was happening.
So yeah, I don't fight like a man, but I'm alive, my buddies are alive, and whenever there was violence I was able to end it so swiftly that it didn't have the chance to escalate.
Anyway my point was that it's really no more realistic to show someone that fights every day prancing around in a bikini than it is to show them with long hair. Either one is pure fantasy. People throwing punches rather than grappling is mostly fantasy too. Any kick aimed above the knee is fantasy. (To be fair, people do throw punches and kicks in fights, but that takes a long time to cause enough damage that you can't fight back.) But fantasy is fun and reality sucks.
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Honestly, modest costumes aren't realistic for certain types of fighting, for either male or female. Superheroes lean heavily towards hand to hand fighting, and when your enemy is close enough to lay hands on you they can easily avoid most protective clothing. In addition, things like body armor make really great handholds, making it really easy for your opponent to throw you around. It doesn't matter how strong you are, if you give your enemy a good enough grip to get your feet off the ground, you're going pretty much wherever they want to put you.
If a character has more than a quarter inch of hair, you have no business talking about how "practical" or "impractical" their outfit is -- if you have hair you aren't prepared to fight. Necks are weaker than arms, and hair tends to be stronger than neck muscles, so hair is nothing more than an invitation to getting your face slammed into the nearest hard object. Almost all heroes and villains have hair that is way too long to fight in, after which point it's just silly to worry that their shirt looks too easy to pull off in a fight.
Really, once a character has hair they're already so hopelessly impractical and vain that nothing else is even close in importance. (Which is why the Frank Miller incarnation of Catwoman shaved her head.)
Capes are straight out.
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On my last Iraq tour my platoon did a lot of snatch missions, helped quiet a few prison riots, and escorted tens of thousands of detainees from one place to another. I was always outnumbered, and usually armed only with pepper spray or a taser (which has 1 shot). So if trouble started the goal was to end the fight as rapidly as possible, and to do it without injuring ourselves (since we might end up fighting tomorrow and every other day for the rest of the year, even little injuries could end up costing). Losing one fight means you die.
Pulling hair like in a high school catfight won't do much of anything. However, grabbing a handful of scalp lets you control a guy's head, usually causes him to grab weakly at your hand so you can get control of at least one of his hands, lets you expose their neck for a brachial stun or a choke, and gives you great leverage for taking a guy to the ground. On top of that most guys don't defend their hair because they don't expect it to be used against them.
There's a lot of dirty things I might do in a fight -- grabbing hair is not the only dirty trick -- but my goal was always to get my enemy under control in 5 to 10 seconds so his 5 buddies wouldn't have time to figure out what was happening.
So yeah, I don't fight like a man, but I'm alive, my buddies are alive, and whenever there was violence I was able to end it so swiftly that it didn't have the chance to escalate.
Anyway my point was that it's really no more realistic to show someone that fights every day prancing around in a bikini than it is to show them with long hair. Either one is pure fantasy. People throwing punches rather than grappling is mostly fantasy too. Any kick aimed above the knee is fantasy. (To be fair, people do throw punches and kicks in fights, but that takes a long time to cause enough damage that you can't fight back.) But fantasy is fun and reality sucks.
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That's all well and good, but I train in a variety of martials arts, mostly MMA related. Thai boxing, I'm a purple belt in BJJ, Combat Submission Wrestling, as well as a background in Judo and Greco-Roman. The guy that runs my school is a retired SEAL Team Six guy and we also do Filipino Kali/Escrima etc. as part of his overall Tactical Defense System, which is full of "against the rules" material. Certainly going beyond what I learned in MACP.
Pulling hair or grabbing the head on someone untrained may work just fine, but anyone who trains regularly would likely have an answer for that. I deal with people clinching up or trying to establish head control all the time.
I agree with your overall point that this is cartoonish violence and not realistic, I just find the statement that having hair makes you vulnerable to be a bit over the top.
Learn modesty, if you desire knowledge. A highland would never be irrigated by river." (Kanz ol-Haghayegh)
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In Paragon City and the Rogue Isles, choosing to have hair is not nearly as dangerous as choosing not to be bullet proof, so I don't consider it to be an especially critical defensive choice.
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Here you go.
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Astranea, shield/axe tanker
To each their own. I don't mind the fact that clothes look painted on one bit. I wouldn't refuse them being retooled to look a little better and be made much higher resolution, but I don't find it problematic to look at them or use them, and indeed use them on a lot of my designs.
I'm also not a big fan of Bridal or Witch because they're too detailed. I like the game's stylistic inclination, so unless my costume is designed to be ornate, I rather enjoy the flat, smooth look of the painted-on clothes.
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ZOMG A GURL!?!
/e teabag
oh wait.... dangit!
/e shrug
Well at least its better than what I heard in World of Borecraft along the same lines.
Girl: Yes I am a girl
Some pre-pubescent boy: OMG you are so getting teabagged when you die.
Unfortunately this is why alot of Girls that play girl characters never really say much is because of this mentality that tends to run rampant with some people.
Which would be very amusing/disgusting if it were relevant, but where at all did you see anything of that sort in this thread?
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Which would be very amusing/disgusting if it were relevant, but where at all did you see anything of that sort in this thread?
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Don't really see it come up much in-game, either.
Then again, most people express confusion upon finding out that I am a girl, for some reason. :|
Heh, I got into a bit of that in Dragonica. I remade my coolest brute from MyBrute and played a chibi girl (though in the game where men look like little girls, why wouldn't I?) and had a team-mate ask me if I was a girl in real life, too. I guess he kind of felt bad he'd invited me to form a "couple" when he found out I wasn't Unfortunately, Dragonica has an annoying little subsystem for getting extra experience for playing with friends and extra powers from being next to a couple partner, I took it anyway. Hey, buffs are buffs. I'm not sure if his intentions were as pragmatic, but then I thought HE was a girl in-game because his male character looked like a blond little girl...
In City of Heroes, though? Most people either assume I'm a guy or don't care either way.
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But what if guys are one of my turn-offs? D:
Lol It's hard to tell sometimes... especially now with the Witch Costumes running rampent all over the place.... and that outfit shows alot of skin!!!
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Don't really see it come up much in-game, either.
Then again, most people express confusion upon finding out that I am a girl, for some reason. :|
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You're a girl? 
There I was between a rock and a hard place. Then I thought, "What am I doing on this side of the rock?"
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Which would be very amusing/disgusting if it were relevant, but where at all did you see anything of that sort in this thread?
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Don't really see it come up much in-game, either.
Then again, most people express confusion upon finding out that I am a girl, for some reason. :|
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Lol It's hard to tell sometimes... especially now with the Witch Costumes running rampent all over the place.... and that outfit shows alot of skin!!!
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Yeah, that magic pack was much more "Halloween costume sexy witch" rahter than "wicked witch."
Learn modesty, if you desire knowledge. A highland would never be irrigated by river." (Kanz ol-Haghayegh)
You're missing MY point.
Those chibis from Draconica look funny and cute. That works.
Female models of CoH, the more undressed they are, the more they expose the mesh's many, many imperfections. If it is my character (and consequently I look at it a lot more than I would at another person's character), my eye tends to dwell on those imperfections (feet that look like flesh-colored boots, awkward legs, lack of belly button, etc.), and it gets to be IRRITATING. It may be a touch of OCD, but it is what it is.