So you're saying he plays women who are people, not two-dimensional stereotypes or glorified Barbie dolls.
Fancy that. How unthinkable. Who on Earth does THAT? =P
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Please don't assume that just from an argument on the forums. RP can be tons of fun when done right.
RP is a lot more random and human then PVeing. In PvE, you already know the behaviors and powers of the enemy, but when you role play, all that is up in the air and can be quite random (unless you are role playing with someone you already know).
The fun thing about RP is that not everyone will react the same. I have one character that is a total Casanova and likes to flirt with girls in Pocket D. Sometimes they like it, sometimes they don't (I don't always know if they are girls IRL though, Oh snap, that's taboo!). One of my favorite things about RP is that not everyone will like you or hate you, heck, some of my favorite RP sessions have been with people whose characters don't like mine.
My advice to you is to try it out, if you like it, then great! If you don't, that's okay too, just don't act like War did.
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What planet do you guys live on where its a social norm (even online) for guys to pretend they are females?
I guess I'm just ignorant to the fact its acceptable. I can live with that.
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I look at this, and I wonder if the fact that he can't get a girl being RP'd by a guy (now, if they actually do ERP with those lesbians and are both guys, that would weird me out a little... but most people keep that private) is so hard for me to get because I live in the state with a guy who's given birth twice...
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That's exactly what he says! He doesn't play girly-girls who giggle and tee-hee and flutter around. He plays strong, quiet, intelligent women who chuckle and wear actual clothing instead of bikinis 
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Funny thing is, the female character in my SG that wears the skimpiest outfits is actually played by a female.....
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Yeah, there's plenty of European countries who think the Americans are a bunch of Bible-thumping primitives who, for goodness sake, still have the death penalty!
And yet at the same time, there's plenty of Middle Eastern and African countries who see Americans as Godless liberals who have no moral values at all.
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I just had image of Uncle Sam, with each limb having a different word (Godless, Bible-thumping, Liberal, Conservative/Prudes) being drawn and quartered by two Arabian and two Clydesdales (or some other distinctly European horse breed).
Orc&Pie No.53230 There is an orc, and somehow, he got a pie. And you are hungry.
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So you're saying he plays women who are people, not two-dimensional stereotypes or glorified Barbie dolls.
Fancy that. How unthinkable. Who on Earth does THAT? =P
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A good role player - but that's the whole point, innit?
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What do you think about women who play male characters?
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My favorite of this kind of turn about happened to a friend.
He made a male character. Apparently the name was too cute/gay (really, to me I thought it he would of been called gay with that name) for several people in the MMO to believe he was a he playing a he, not a she playing a he.
Turnabout is funny when it doesn't happen to you!
Orc&Pie No.53230 There is an orc, and somehow, he got a pie. And you are hungry.
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Things were said that just dont come out of females mouths, even in a RPing enviroment. That's just the bottom line. Things were said to myself, my girlfriend, and my other SG members what were totally unacceptable and really crossed the line. It really was some disgusting crap.
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Did you just kick them, or did you ever petition them after asking them to cease what was apparently (sexually) harassing behavior.
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From that point on...I just assume punch RPers in the face. They're useless if you ask me. Dudes RPing as chicks......get a life. Seriously.
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So, just from your experience with those two people, you've formed the conclusion that all RPers suck?
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It's easy enough to do, Fire_Wyrm. Just from Admiral's post, I immediately formed an opinion on what type of person he is.
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It's easy enough to do, Fire_Wyrm. Just from War's post, I immediately formed an opinion on what type of person he is.
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Hmm, touché. But then again, he kinda held a sign over his head saying "I hate RP, come get mad at me!"
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Eww....I must have stumbled into a Teamsters meeting or something.
Proceed....I'll show myself to the door. Kthxbai. Enjoy the RPing! It ROX!
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Intolerance: not just for the religious! (This is a joke, so don't jump down my throat. Keep in mind I consider Atheism a religion. No, I am not Atheist.)
In your own words: "get over it". I do "light" RP every now and then, and it's caused me problems in the past with people exactly like you. I actually managed to acquire a large circle of players to play with on my alt server a couple years ago, but after a few months of playing with them they all disappeared on me the very day it was "discovered" that I wasn't a girl. They never asked; they just assumed that because I typed in complete sentences and I made references about my character's history/backstory that I must have been a girl (the character in question was female, which probably lent aid to their hope).
To keep a long story short, one of the guys I played with said something, I mentioned that I'm a guy IRL, and *every single person in aforementioned group* disappeared. That character is still level 35 after 2-3 years because of it.
I still light RP, and that was the only instance of something drastic happening because of it. It's not the norm, and why you label all RPers as some abomination simply because you can't understand it astounds me.
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From that point on...I just assume punch RPers in the face. They're useless if you ask me. Dudes RPing as chicks......get a life. Seriously.
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So, just from your experience with those two people, you've formed the conclusion that all RPers suck?
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It's easy enough to do, Fire_Wyrm. Just from Admiral's post, I immediately formed an opinion on what type of person he is.
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Yes, but you're just applying that opinion to him instead of whatever group he may belong to, be that "guys", "his SG", "PvE-ers", "PvP-ers", etc.
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I think the problem here is the definition of "role playing". You can role play as a female without the whole sexual/flirting/cybering thing. In War_Admiral's definition, you can't. There is no reason why a female character can't act as a female no matter the gender of the player controlling them. It's like a male writer penning a female character. The opposite is equally true.
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I think the problem here is the definition of "role playing". You can role play as a female without the whole sexual/flirting/cybering thing. In War_Admiral's definition, you can't. There is no reason why a female character can't act as a female no matter the gender of the player controlling them. It's like a male writer penning a female character. The opposite is equally true.
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This entire thread has been both disturbing and entertaining, for pretty much the same reasons and the same posts.
To clarify, I'm an RPer and I have male and female toons. Among the females are a fiery Norse goddess, a motormouthed wisecracking teenager, and an unstable personality whose entire deal is struggling with the idea of "Power corrupts." When someone makes advances toward my female toons, I send them a message so they know there's a straight guy at the keyboard who isn't interested in ERP.
War Admiral and Cherry, it's sad that your SG was taken for a ride by people pretending to be females outside RP, but RP is definitely not what they were doing. They were just trying to use your crew's belief to get whatever they wanted.
My question however would be, how sad is it that you went ahead and always did everything their way just to keep them happy, regardless of what gender the people in question were? Seriously take a stand for the right reasons next time.
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We (The Stoned Templars) had 2 members who told us they were female and even went out of their way to maintain that "sex" in pretty much everything they did and said. Of course...they were "lesbian". *rolls eyes*
It wasnt until we added Vent and invited them that we came to the conclusion that they were both dudes. They both declined to use Vent every time we asked them to join it.
From that point on...I just assume punch RPers in the face. They're useless if you ask me. Dudes RPing as chicks......get a life. Seriously.
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That's painting with a pretty broad brush, isn't it?
Light RP can be a lot of fun. We have a regular TF team on Saturday where the leader pretty much stays in character throughout, so I try to do the same. We talk about how Sister Psyche has enlisted our aid, etc.
Assuming that *all* female RPers are "dudes" is flat out wrong. I'm female, all my characters are female, and I RP as female.
So try not to overgeneralize, mmkay?
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They were males pretending to be females. Not the other way around. I really doubt too many females pretend to be males while RPing, but since I'm not a RPer, I could be way off base in my assumption.
My guess is there are A LOT of guys running around pretending to be female. Those are the people I wonder about.
If you're wearing those shoes, then I feel really sorry for you. If you dont, good for you and enjoy your RP. mmmkay?
I don't get the entire "RP" thing anyways. You're playing a video game...and its not exactly text based. So I guess I'm missing the part where RP can be "fun".
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It's just another way of enjoying your character. I sometimes like to RP myself. I'm a guy and all my characters are guys.
However, typing in missions interferes with my kill rate which is my first love.
So I would say I'm a light RPer. In order to stay in character, I make several macros. Something that would fit the character to cover, whatever needs saying.. like resting or if I'm getting ready to use a PBAoE.
It's fun actually, I'd get into it more if I was coordinated enough to type without stopping my flow of carnage 
And I always thought it odd that people would play this game and wonder why there are people who like to RP.
It's like going to the nude beach and wondering why people aren't wearing clothes
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This reminds me of a story I heard someone tell me about in Everquest:
A girl in the guild was friends with everyone. She was a bit of a drama queen and a flirt. When she had an issue with her boyfriend she would confide in guild mates and such. Talk about her life as anyone casually does in a guild to those they are friends with. One day she decided to quit and told everybody they had a confession before they cancelled their sub, that they were actually a guy and they didn't feel right leaving without making it known who they really were. Needless to say, all the guys she had flirted with in the guild felt rather disgusted...
Roleplaying is one thing, passing yourself off as something you're not with the intent of deception is wrong imo.
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Yeah, that's not cool. I had a friend who did that in EQ or an early MMO. He used to get gifted tons of stuff, he even had his GF do vent for him when needed.
Needless to say it didn't impress me at all.
If you RPing a toon thats one thing, but lying in person aint right
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I think the problem here is the definition of "role playing". You can role play as a female without the whole sexual/flirting/cybering thing. In War_Admiral's definition, you can't. There is no reason why a female character can't act as a female no matter the gender of the player controlling them. It's like a male writer penning a female character. The opposite is equally true.
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I explained the reasons for his reactions..based on his / our experiences with it.
Am i wrong to find it off-putting that someone I team with regularly not only lies about their own gender but goes out of their way to protray an over-sexed lesbian?
Yes, i agree.. clearly we are discussing 2 different types of role playing here.. what im not getting tho is how you can possibly argue that my opinion is wrong. There has GOT to be a point where a line is crossed. I mean, cmon'.. really?
Most recently I was on a vent channel with a team.. at 1 point 1 of their daughters came on and everyone said hi to her.. and im like, wait.. how old is this girl.. i was told she was 10..
2 days prior to this i saw this girl in atlas "role playing" as an 18 year old girl. I told her father when he came back on what had gone on and he handled it and she even apologized for it..
I had seen this girl around atlas the whole time ive been playing and was shocked to hear shes only 10. At what point is it going to far?
Go ahead and role play, whatever... PROBLEM is that its typically in an open environment or on a team setting.. its NOT exclusive to sg's.. and perhaps thats the only place it needs to be. Dont involve unwilling participants.
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I don't need to assume they were male. They were male. Some of the things that came out of their mouths, females dont say.
Period.
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Hahaha what
Protip: Women are human beings, and can and possibly will say anything another human would. Women do not all act a certain way. I'm pretty sure I could come up with some things that would make a Marine blush, but it doesn't change my gender.
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I am fairly disappointed in all the RPers in this thread who failed to clarify War Admiral's issues. The problem was not that he hit "bad RPers" and there are "good RPers". The problem was clearly that the people in his complaint were not RPing, they were lying. There's a difference. And RPers do themselves a disservice when they fail to make the distinction.
RP has nothing to do with saying you are someone else or even pretending to be someone else. It is about storytelling, acting, and improvisation. No one (yourself or others) is supposed to be under the mistaken impression that you are who you are pretending to be, any more than J. K. Rowling or Emma Watson thought they were (or claimed to really be) Hermione Granger. Though I suppose in this case it's more like Daniel Radcliffe claiming to be Hermione.
Plenty of people claim to be RPing, but if they fail to account for the fictionality of their role, they are simply liars. And RPers need not defend RPing against them.
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Even if you're half-joking here by calling people 'weird' or whatever, that's still quite arrogant. Or at least it comes off as arrogant. Aside from the content of the posts, it's also a tone people are gonna take offense to.
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Actually, I come here with a Southern Redneck attitude.
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RP has nothing to do with saying you are someone else or even pretending to be someone else.
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lol
I agree with the spirit of your message, however the words....
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I think the problem here is the definition of "role playing". You can role play as a female without the whole sexual/flirting/cybering thing. In War_Admiral's definition, you can't. There is no reason why a female character can't act as a female no matter the gender of the player controlling them. It's like a male writer penning a female character. The opposite is equally true.
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I explained the reasons for his reactions..based on his / our experiences with it.
Am i wrong to find it off-putting that someone I team with regularly not only lies about their own gender but goes out of their way to protray an over-sexed lesbian?
Yes, i agree.. clearly we are discussing 2 different types of role playing here.. what im not getting tho is how you can possibly argue that my opinion is wrong. There has GOT to be a point where a line is crossed. I mean, cmon'.. really?
Most recently I was on a vent channel with a team.. at 1 point 1 of their daughters came on and everyone said hi to her.. and im like, wait.. how old is this girl.. i was told she was 10..
2 days prior to this i saw this girl in atlas "role playing" as an 18 year old girl. I told her father when he came back on what had gone on and he handled it and she even apologized for it..
I had seen this girl around atlas the whole time ive been playing and was shocked to hear shes only 10. At what point is it going to far?
Go ahead and role play, whatever... PROBLEM is that its typically in an open environment or on a team setting.. its NOT exclusive to sg's.. and perhaps thats the only place it needs to be. Dont involve unwilling participants.
Is that really too much to ask?
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Not sure how many times you need to hear 'those two were out of line' for you not to be confused about it.
I mean, have you seen a single response stating they were in the right?
I mean, how many times do posters need to repeat that those two crossed lines for you to not to keep asking 'is there a point where it's crossed?'
With 'what im not getting tho is how you can possibly argue that my opinion is wrong' I'm not even sure of your opinion is.
You've defended the Admirals position, is it the same as yours? That you want to punch all RPers in the face?
Cause its pretty clear to me, thats wrong.
Is it that there shouldnt be any role play in a MMORPG? Thats what you seem to be saying in above, and frankly, I dont see how you could defend that as 'right'.
Or is it you dont understand that posters are not slamming his reactions to the terriable incident that seems to have scarred him, but his projection that all RPers are like 'that'.
Is your opinion (which 'cant be wrong') just supporting his homophobia and bias against RPers?
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They were males pretending to be females. Not the other way around. I really doubt too many females pretend to be males while RPing, but since I'm not a RPer, I could be way off base in my assumption.
My guess is there are A LOT of guys running around pretending to be female. Those are the people I wonder about.
If you're wearing those shoes, then I feel really sorry for you. If you dont, good for you and enjoy your RP. mmmkay?
I don't get the entire "RP" thing anyways. You're playing a video game...and its not exactly text based. So I guess I'm missing the part where RP can be "fun".
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So, a bit homophobic? Perhaps ascribing to unnecessarily rigid gender role stereotypes? Wow, take a look around, it takes all kinds.
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I guess I'm out of the loop of todays generation. Maybe I'm too old to understand.
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Oh, please, do you think we're that stupid? You come in here with the communication skills and attitude of a thug-wannabe punk teenager and now expect us to believe you're "old"?
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lol @ teenager
Actually, I come here with a Southern Redneck attitude. Cherry always calls me a stupid redneck.
I laugh.
You can call me all the names in the book brother. I've heard them all. It won't bother me one bit.
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My husband, who is from Alabama, roleplays female characters better than I've seen some females roleplay female characters.
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Funny thing. You pretty well described me there. From Alabama and am told I play females very well. Not that I try that hard, but I think that's the thing: most guys try TOO hard to play females.
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That's exactly what he says! He doesn't play girly-girls who giggle and tee-hee and flutter around. He plays strong, quiet, intelligent women who chuckle and wear actual clothing instead of bikinis