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so what was the point? or do you even know?
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You're welcome to assume whatever you like Enjoy the game!
http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showf...=0#Post1846919
I found this to be note worthy... " So be mindful that your reactions are reflected upon all RPers "
clearly, there has been issues in the past with role playing that this needed to be noted specifically.
anwways.. thanks for the enlightening discussion's
like i said, sorry these 2 people left a bad impression.. i did discover these 2 moved onto the virtue server.. yikes. Clearly there is venue for them to carry on with their crap. Good Luck with them.
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Cherry2k, the issue people have is Admiral coming on here and bashing RP'ers based on an incident with two (2) players. No one here though that the harassment you and Admiral stated they subjected you to was acceptable.
When things like that happen (whether they are RP'ers or not) the offending person should be /petitioned.
What people have gotten to hot over is Admiral, for a page and a half, did nothing but pass judgment, and make condescending remarks to other posters. Basically labeling ALL RP'ers as weird, and men RP'ing female character as "freaks." Not once did he mentions any of the drama or harassment that was going on. It wasn't until you posted, some 75 posts int the thread, that we were given more information.
Instead of attacking all RP'res, Admiral would have drawn less fire if he had posted a less inflammatory statement, and not accused all RP'ers of being "a bundle of sticks" only bent on deception.
My final thoughts on this thread?
Red Rover...
Red Rover...
Send Moderator 08 on over.
Hi, folks!
Remember the quick -n- dirty Bigot Test for Sexism.
Re-read War_Admiral's posts, just substituting white/black (or christian/jew if you prefer) for male/female whenever they appear. Quick example:
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You're on target now.... blacks playing whites DOES weird me out as it should a lot of people. Whats the point? I just dont get it.
I wouldnt have a problem with a RPer in general. Lord knows, I prolly team with a lot of them not knowing. But they surely dont come across as "whites" being blacks and if they do have a white toon, I know its a black behind the screen because they had enough respect to tell me up front.
These 2 people led the 5 of us on (even my girlfriend) to believe they were white. That's just wrong on so many levels its......just......gross.
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...feel free to check the effect on several other of his posts.
This, really, is what's gotten folks riled. In my opinion, anyway.
"Strength of numbers is the delight of the timid. The valiant in spirit glory in fighting alone."
- Mahatma Gandhi
Still CoHzy after all these years...
Adding in more heavily emotionally charged words probably isn't a very objective measuring stick. If you really want to apply the "substituting groups" method, you'd probably get a better look at how much sense his arguments made if you substituted in innocent-sounding terms, like "left-handed people" versus "right-handed people", or "guys named Bob" versus "guys named Fred".
I team with the Repeat Offenders.
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whats upsetting is the way the majority of you seem to think its ok what they did and excuse it and are now trying to make this an issue of being homophobic and intolerant.
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The majority of us have made it quite clear that we don't think what they did was "okay". We have just been trying to explain that that is not what RPing is about. We have been trying to explain how real RPers play in game and how it makes the game more fun for us. The homophobic comments come from the fact that neither you or your pal seem to be able to accept RP in any form because of what two ERPers did. You're lumping us all together and saying we should move off the servers you button mashing min/maxxers play on. That's not going to happen. Sorry, but I play on all servers. I'm not going to limit my self to one or two just to satisfy two people who don't understand RP at all.
Once again, what the two players in your SG did was wrong, but they are not examples of all or even most RPers. They are examples of ERPers, and bad ones at that.
oh brother.. i cant believe someone actually went there.
way to further convolute the issue.
<QR> I don't think a test is needed to see War_Admiral is a bigot. His posts speak for themselves as is without need of substitutions.
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The majority of us have made it quite clear that we don't think what they did was "okay". We have just been trying to explain that that is not what RPing is about. We have been trying to explain how real RPers play in game and how it makes the game more fun for us. The homophobic comments come from the fact that neither you or your pal seem to be able to accept RP in any form because of what two ERPers did. You're lumping us all together and saying we should move off the servers you button mashing min/maxxers play on. That's not going to happen. Sorry, but I play on all servers. I'm not going to limit my self to one or two just to satisfy two people who don't understand RP at all.
Once again, what the two players in your SG did was wrong, but they are not examples of all or even most RPers. They are examples of ERPers, and bad ones at that.
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Actually, they are examples of "abusers", and while I am sorry they took advantage of W_A & Cherry2K, I still have to ask myself why they were allowed to continue their abuse for such a long time that it inspired such strong reactions. I don't want to "blame the victim" - but if it was so egregious, why did W_A & Cherry2K allow it to go on that long and let them get away with manipulating their SG members to that extent?
We have been presented with snippets of bad behavior, including chat that made others uncomfortable due to an overly sexual nature. Petionable. We have also been given snippets of such things as these abusers manipulating others into giving presents and special consideration by reason of being "female". Not petionable, but if it got so bad, definitely a good reason for being kicked. But also something that "takes 2 to tango" in that it won't work unless the other party is willing to give the special consideration.
Frankly, if members of this SG were giving someone special consideration because they were thought to be female - I find that patronizing of those giving the special consideration. As a RL female, I neither expect nor want any special consideration.
They should have been kicked and /petitioned for harassment, plain & simple, if it was behavior that was making others that uncomfortable. And the whole situation has abslutely ZERO to do with RP from that standpoint.
Otherwise, Blackavaar - good capsule synopsis of the "lesson" that was attempted in the thread, albeit unsuccessfully it seems.
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"You gave us a world where we could fly. I can't thank you enough for that."
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oh brother.. i cant believe someone actually went there.
way to further convolute the issue.
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It's comparison. It's analogy. People do that when they argue.
It also helps explain why people got so riled up about what he said - there are folks who'd see things in that light.
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Bigot
Big"ot\, n. [F. bigot a bigot or hypocrite, a name once given to the Normans in France. Of unknown origin; possibly akin to Sp. bigote a whisker; hombre de bigote a man of spirit and vigor; cf. It. s-bigottire to terrify, to appall. Wedgwood and others maintain that bigot is from the same source as Beguine, Beghard.]
1. A hypocrite; esp., a superstitious hypocrite. [Obs.]
2. A person who regards his own faith and views in matters of religion as unquestionably right, and any belief or opinion opposed to or differing from them as unreasonable or wicked. In an extended sense, a person who is intolerant of opinions which conflict with his own, as in politics or morals; one obstinately and blindly devoted to his own church, party, belief, or opinion. In an extended sense, a person who is intolerant of opinions which conflict with his own, as in politics or morals; one obstinately and blindly devoted to his own church, party, belief, or opinion.
Looks like there are quite a few that fit into this description eh?
Sorry.. but this has bugged me for awhile...
Not my name, not my characters, not my business..
But DAMN
The freakin' word is TUDOR! TUDOR KINGS!
like.. Actual Tudor Kings and Queens...
The Sly Bold Renardine - " I am Scraptastic!"
They were kicked out and put on global ignore.
I explained in my initial post how it all started and the reasons why nothing was done right off the bat.
So ya, it was a mistake letting it get to that point, and i kick myself in the [censored] for not reporting them. This all happend back in February.. this isnt a recent thing.
Had i known then what I know now it would have been played out a lot differently.
Lessons learned.
Ad_Astra has asked the one question that has been asked repeatedly and repeatedly ignored. Simply, why did the SG allow this bad behavior to continue, especially since both War_Admiral and Cherry_2000 described said behavior in very negative terms.
Would such behavior have been acceptable if the two were actually females?
I'm inclined to believe the answer is "yes", since it was allowed to continue. And clearly the behavior wasn't so hated, since the two were invited to Vent.
Nope, the behavior "became" bad only when it became clear to War_Admiral and Cherry_2000 that the two players were likely male.
As that's the case, the problem is with those two players and their interactions with your SG and has nothing whatsoever to with RP.
I understand you can call yourself Tuter_King or Prezidint_of_Amerika or Rushin_Zar or whatever.. just trying to help...
The Sly Bold Renardine - " I am Scraptastic!"
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They were kicked out and put on global ignore.
I explained in my initial post how it all started and the reasons why nothing was done right off the bat.
So ya, it was a mistake letting it get to that point, and i kick myself in the [censored] for not reporting them. This all happend back in February.. this isnt a recent thing.
Had i known then what I know now it would have been played out a lot differently.
Lessons learned.
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Good to know. Stuff happens, and what you do in response builds character, etc., etc.
I wasn't trying to bash either of you, BTW. I was just trying to point out that abusers are not RPers, even if they use that format to cover what they are doing.
Altoholic - but a Blaster at Heart!
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"You gave us a world where we could fly. I can't thank you enough for that."
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I understand you can call yourself Tuter_King or Prezidint_of_Amerika or Rushin_Zar or whatever.. just trying to help...
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Did you ever stop to think that maybe, well, that tutor_king, is, I don't know, a teacher or some sort?
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Ad_Astra has asked the one question that has been asked repeatedly and repeatedly ignored. Simply, why did the SG allow this bad behavior to continue, especially since both War_Admiral and Cherry_2000 described said behavior in very negative terms.
Would such behavior have been acceptable if the two were actually females?
I'm inclined to believe the answer is "yes", since it was allowed to continue. And clearly the behavior wasn't so hated, since the two were invited to Vent.
Nope, the behavior "became" bad only when it became clear to War_Admiral and Cherry_2000 that the two players were likely male.
As that's the case, the problem is with those two players and their interactions with your SG and has nothing whatsoever to with RP.
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re-read my ORIGINAL post in this thread.
on 2nd thought, dont bother. This is such an idiotic waste of my time trying to explain things to people that clearly dont get what it is im trying to say. People have managed to twist words, add words, leave words out, put their own words in and just take it to all kinds of stupid places.
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Ad_Astra has asked the one question that has been asked repeatedly and repeatedly ignored. Simply, why did the SG allow this bad behavior to continue, especially since both War_Admiral and Cherry_2000 described said behavior in very negative terms.
Would such behavior have been acceptable if the two were actually females?
I'm inclined to believe the answer is "yes", since it was allowed to continue. And clearly the behavior wasn't so hated, since the two were invited to Vent.
Nope, the behavior "became" bad only when it became clear to War_Admiral and Cherry_2000 that the two players were likely male.
As that's the case, the problem is with those two players and their interactions with your SG and has nothing whatsoever to with RP.
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re-read my ORIGINAL post in this thread.
on 2nd thought, dont bother. This is such an idiotic waste of my time trying to explain things to people that clearly dont get what it is im trying to say. People have managed to twist words, add words, leave words out, put their own words in and just take it to all kinds of stupid places.
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Just what exactly IS it that you are trying to say?
This thread is hilarious.
No, really, it is. I'll remind everyone how this whole mess started. tuter_king asks a perfectly innocent question, inquiring exactly what RP is. The next few posts are people attempting to explain what RP is to him.
Then, about 4 or 5 posts in War_Admiral comes in with this:
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We (The Stoned Templars) had 2 members who told us they were female and even went out of their way to maintain that "sex" in pretty much everything they did and said. Of course...they were "lesbian". *rolls eyes*
It wasnt until we added Vent and invited them that we came to the conclusion that they were both dudes. They both declined to use Vent every time we asked them to join it.
From that point on...I just assume punch RPers in the face. They're useless if you ask me. Dudes RPing as chicks......get a life. Seriously.
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What the HELL does that response have to do with the question that was asked?!?
Calling RPers useless and saying he would just as soon punch them in the face. At no point does he attempt to answer the question in any way. He gives an example of TWO people and declares that anyone who RPs is just as bad as them. Because 2 people is clearly a large enough cross-section to judge an entire group.
That's like overhearing someone asking how to change a spark plug and jumping in saying that all mechanics are incompetent con artists, because one time a mechanic forgot to flush your radiator. It has NOTHING to do with the topic at hand.
I love how War_Admiral makes a big show of defending himself from personal attacks when he himself started the fight. Kinda like walking up and punching a random person in the face and when they hit you back saying: "Hey! What did you hit me for?!"
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My apologies, ours were crossposts and I did not see your response to Ad_Astra until just now.
It is too bad that you all did not kick them from the SG earlier. But, as you say, lesson learned.
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You're really going to use this "defense"? Really? After you went on and on about how these people "refused" to "prove" their claims to you?
Really?
I know I mentioned it earlier about another post regarding irony, etc... but REALLY?
I'd say I'm shocked, but I'm really not.
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Main Villain : Menkaura -- Lv41 Mastermind
@Laxx
"You will bend to my will, with or without your precious sanity." --Dragon Mage
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You're really going to use this "defense"? Really? After you went on and on about how these people "refused" to "prove" their claims to you?
Really?
I know I mentioned it earlier about another post regarding irony, etc... but REALLY?
I'd say I'm shocked, but I'm really not.
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Good call Laxx. I somehow overlooked the hypocrisy there.
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so what was the point? or do you even know?
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I don't have to tell you