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No no, I don't agree. I think it's perfectly acceptable to lie about your RL gender to other people playing this game for two reasons: 1) it's none of their business what your RL gender is, and 2) in my opinion they have no valid use for that information. I also lie to telemarketers about my name and address. I don't think there's anything wrong with that, either.
I'm not saying that I do lie about my RL gender (I do have a Faces pages, after all), but if someone else does, or for that matter lies about any other RL information to random Internet strangers, I have absolutely no problem with that.
If someone is disrupting the game or deliberately aggravating you, especially if it is regarding inappropriate sexual comments, they should be reported, period. That's neither a roleplaying nor gender issue, its explicitly forbidden in the rules of conduct and the EULA.
We've been saving Paragon City for eight and a half years. It's time to do it one more time.
(If you love this game as much as I do, please read that post.)
I'll just end my discussion about this issue with this final thought. Honestly, I don't think everyone who RPs is as sketchy as the 2 people who were in our SG. If everyone was like that, RPing wouldn't exist. Obviously there's some middle ground between the people who RP and the people who go beyond just RPing.
The problem for me is I havent been exposed to the ones who RP in good fun. My first and only experience with RPers was with 2 idiots who found it necessary to harass the SG and take things to a unacceptable sexual level.
9 times out of 10, when I play, my RL gf is playing at the same time. So I wasn't getting off on being flirted with. Infact, they rarely said much to me at all. When I would be asked if they "cybered" me the same way they would others, my response was always the same. Nope....I just ignore them.
But that experience made me form a strong opinion about RPers in general. Mainly because, I just dont know when someone is RPing and when they arnt.
Hell if you've played with me at all on Champion, you know I'm not much of a chatter at all. I pretty much play the game, click my buttons, and move on. Unless someone speaks directly to me, I dont offer up too much conversation. Sorry, but I have a hard time believing what comes out of some random persons mouth these days over the internet. I do listen and talk in vent at times and if you're willing to communicate that way, I have an easier time accepting you as a player. Those who dont, just seem like they have something to hide....or maybe they really don't have a mic. Who knows. I dont care either way.
I don't need "proof" one way or another. I just like to know who I'm spending my time playing with. Infact, a lot of the people who I play with I address by their real name.
That's just how I roll...like it or not. Call me stupid, call me ignorant, call me whatever you want. Tonight, I'll sleep just fine knowing I've PLed another toon to 50 (for the guy who loled at me having 5 lvl 50s).
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No no, I don't agree. I think it's perfectly acceptable to lie about your RL gender to other people playing this game for two reasons: 1) it's none of their business what your RL gender is, and 2) in my opinion they have no valid use for that information.
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Tony, you made it very clear you like guys who pretend they are female earlier in this thread. We get it....we do.
As a SG leader, I want to "know" whos in my SG. Thats reason enough to know who these people really are.
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If someone is talking about having super powers, they are RPing. RPing is never deceptive, any more than watching a movie is.
If they are talking about being a normal, non-supernatural, non-anachronistic, non-hero-or-villain person, they are not RPing (but may be lying).
So, if you have to wonder, it's not RP (or it's really messed up RP).
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No no, I don't agree. I think it's perfectly acceptable to lie about your RL gender to other people playing this game for two reasons: 1) it's none of their business what your RL gender is, and 2) in my opinion they have no valid use for that information.
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The two reasons you mention don't fall under my statement. I think it's perfectly acceptable to not answer or outright lie about your gender if some random person asks you. I don't think it's acceptable for someone to lead another person to believe they are a gender they are not for the purposes of harming them, duping them, or otherwise harassing them. That's all.
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No no, I don't agree. I think it's perfectly acceptable to lie about your RL gender to other people playing this game for two reasons: 1) it's none of their business what your RL gender is, and 2) in my opinion they have no valid use for that information.
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Tony, you made it very clear you like guys who pretend they are female earlier in this thread. We get it....we do.
As a SG leader, I want to "know" whos in my SG. Thats reason enough to know who these people really are.
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Tony, you made it very clear you like guys who pretend they are female earlier in this thread. We get it....we do.
As a SG leader, I want to "know" whos in my SG. Thats reason enough to know who these people really are.
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I couldnt help myself. They open the door, I'm going to walk through. 
I'm just saying that lying about your RL gender != disruption, aggravation, etc. They're totally separate, and I think that deliberately causing disruption, aggravation, etc. isn't okay in any form it takes. I'm re-reading what you said and thinking that you could put anything in the "People who [insert verb here] for the purposes of disruption, aggravation, etc." and it would be true, but that in no way reflects on the moral validity of the [insert verb here] part.
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Yeah, nice misrepresentation of what I said. I neither like nor dislike guys who pretend they are female for that sole purpose. I simply don't care one way or another. This is a role-playing game, Einstein. I expect it to happen, both in-character, and to maintain the immersion, out of character as well. If I like or dislike you, it will be for some other reason, because I don't find that one relevant. I'm sorry you have such a problem with that.
Wait, strike that, I'm not sorry at all. It's your issue to deal with, not mine.
We've been saving Paragon City for eight and a half years. It's time to do it one more time.
(If you love this game as much as I do, please read that post.)
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Tony, you made it very clear you like guys who pretend they are female earlier in this thread. We get it....we do.
As a SG leader, I want to "know" whos in my SG. Thats reason enough to know who these people really are.
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If someone is disrupting the game or deliberately aggravating you, especially if it is regarding inappropriate sexual comments, they should be reported, period. That's neither a roleplaying nor gender issue, its explicitly forbidden in the rules of conduct and the EULA.
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Tony, you made it very clear you like guys who pretend they are female earlier in this thread. We get it....we do.
As a SG leader, I want to "know" whos in my SG. Thats reason enough to know who these people really are.
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Maybe mine are. 
Ok, this is full circle like 10 times over. So....those of you who play on Champion, hope to see ya there! Those who don't, enjoy your game on whatever server you play on.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMORPG
Roleplaying
Some MMORPGs also may expect players to roleplay their characters that is, to speak and act in the way their character would act, even if it means shying away from other goals such as wealth or experience. However, as this behavior is far from being the norm, most MMORPG players never actually play the roles of their characters.[10] Still, MMORPGs may offer "RP-only" servers for those who wish to immerse themselves in the game in this way.
Culture
Some players might look down on those who invest huge amounts of time and or money into a game, while others might scorn those who can't put in the time to "play properly". The validity of such viewpoints is heavily debated, with both sides of the issue being discussed frequently on most games' forums.
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So.....Its not as "normal" as some of you think to actually play the "role" of your character IN-GAME. There's actually fewer of you than there are those who just "play the game"
Secondly, its pretty clear there's a great number of people who share my view about RPing in general. It seems, this discussion is pretty valid on most MMORPG forums. I can't say for sure because this is the first game I've spent any great amount of time playing.
So while I try to understand the fun factor in becoming someone you arnt, know that I'm not the only person who thinks its weird and rather off-putting.
Just added something new to the list of things I rather not do duing my life...
143. Pretend to be a female super-hero.
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You know the 'source' of that section is one persons blog entry about RP? And discussing WoW?
Factual data it aint.
(10) http://wowvault.ign.com/View.php?vie...ail&id=102
I don't suffer from altitis, I enjoy every minute of it.
Thank you Devs & Community people for a great game.
So sad to be ending ):
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And TonyV, you're right, I see what you're saying now about the disruption. It's been a long day.
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Isn't that the tenth time you have left this thread never to return?
I don't suffer from altitis, I enjoy every minute of it.
Thank you Devs & Community people for a great game.
So sad to be ending ):
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I think that's really funny, that you're so insecure that you can't admit that drawn/rendered characters can be sexy. I suppose that you think that Wonder Woman, Supergirl, Caitlin Fairchild, Black Canary, Psylocke, Rogue, Ms. Marvel, and so many more that I can't name them all are drawn they way they are because of artistic realism? That those inhuman proportions, fishnet stockings, skimpy outfits, arched backs, and *ahem* curvy physiques are all just coincidental?
Or maybe you think that 16-year-old hormone-induced horndogs are the only people who buy comics and appreciate these beyond-ideal characters?
Do I sit here and dwell on the costume creator for hours of prurient fun? No, after a week or two, that's kind of old. But I'd be lying if I didn't say that sometimes while playing, I don't say, "Wow, that's a hottie." (And as it turns out with my particular tastes, it's generally not the skimpy max-chest slider ones.) I don't build shrines to these girls or engage in Weird Science-esque experiments, but not only is it normal to be sexually attracted to some of these characters, it's how they're designed.
I'd say that if you don't read a comic or watch a cartoon and every once in a while think, "Da-yum!", that you're the one who's abnormal. But hey, if that's the case, more power to you.
By the way, Tabula Rasa's Sarah Morrison had a Playboy spread. Last time I checked, Hugh Hefner isn't still living in his parents' basement. (Come to think of it, I wouldn't mind living in Hugh Hefner's basement for a while...)
We've been saving Paragon City for eight and a half years. It's time to do it one more time.
(If you love this game as much as I do, please read that post.)
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One of the worst players I ever met (in my opinion, naturally) was the TF leader with the keybinds for giving orders to the rest of the team. Made no difference that they were at least passably in character. The player just hit them too often.
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That's a matter of knowing your audience, of course, and experience. I actually have the chat binds separate from the power binds, so I don't have my character yelling out, "I summon you through the darkness of the Netherworld!" every time I use Recall Friend, for instance, although I've seen those who do that.
And I'll add that while I have always been upfront with my real life gender, my online persona is my online persona. This is the Internet, and as such, that's all you're going to get.
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Never said I had a problem with males playing the role of a male super-hero. My problem is males playing the role of a FEMALE and leading on people to believe they are FEMALE IRL.
Not only that, but then taking it to the next level with involves sexual remarks that are unacceptable.
You should re-read the first 10 pages or so.
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I'm pretty sure you were against males in general playing female characters. Because that's what caused the uproar in the first place.
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I dont RP at all. When I log onto the game, I come to "play the game". I dont sit at work waiting until I can get home and assume the role of a super-hero and I surely don't get off pretending to be female....with respect to ANYTHING in life whether it be a RPing game or anything else.
When I would play Mario Cart, I never thought I was Mario. I would just sit and race around the stupid tracks.
I just don't get how people get off on pretending to be someone else or their character IN-GAME. Ok, I can understand on the forums. I can see that the RPing forum here is very active. Its text based and I get it. Its a way for people to be creative and express themselves. I don't think its the same IN-GAME. While in-game, it can and is taken to inappropriate levels. Sure, not by everyone I know. But when does it get turned off?
Again, how do I or anyone else know when you're RPing or just being straight up?
Wiki brought up a good point...is there a RP dedicated server here? If not, why not? If so, then don't bring that crap to other servers.
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For the most part Roleplaying a character for me consists of writing a number of macros of things I want the character say during the sequence of play and then augmenting them with in character phrases that I type in as I go. These macros can be anything from, "Stop right there you crooked little $target!$$emote point" to "Systems malfunction... All systems overloading.... Powerrrrring dowwwwwwwnnnnnnn.....$$emote powerdown".
Most RPers will also use the (( and )) or OOC: when speaking out of character. I usually don't do this since when I speak out of character it is usually to say something quite obviously about the mechanics of the game or things in RL like movies or what not, basically things the character wouldn't know about. I also don't use the same vernacular when I speak OOC. Many of my characters have accents that are part of their theme. They are Russian or German or Southern or from Boston. They are Robots and Barbarians, Mutants from the future and Warlords from the past. This is written into their style of speaking in the same way as is done in comic books (Ack! Mein Professor! Vatch out! - Nightcrawler). Trust me, it's obvious when I'm speaking out of character.
For most RPers it isn't about making anyone believe you actually are something you are not. It's about making the character seem as much a part of the game as anything else in it, so stop generalizing and lumping us all together.
And as for a RP server, we don't need one. This is a MMORPG. All of the servers are for role playing. If you don't like it you are not forced to team with us.
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9 times out of 10, when I play, my RL gf is playing at the same time. So I wasn't getting off on being flirted with. Infact, they rarely said much to me at all. When I would be asked if they "cybered" me the same way they would others, my response was always the same. Nope....I just ignore them.
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Again: if this wasn't consensual behavior, then it was sexual harassment, not RP.
Also, WA, think maybe you could lay off the "guys who like guys=less than human" jag? Either come out and say what you want to say, or stop beating around the bush and let it go.
There are no words for what this community, and the friends I have made here mean to me. Please know that I care for all of you, yes, even you. If you Twitter, I'm MrThan. If you're Unleashed, I'm dumps. I'll try and get registered on the Titan Forums as well. Peace, and thanks for the best nine years anyone could ever ask for.
Guys. Everyone here is doing the same basic thing as arguing racial equality with a white supremacist. He's made it clear that he thinks anyone who roleplays is weird and/or subhuman. He's also made it clear that he is far too close-minded to have a rational discussion with about the subject.
I'm honestly amazed that this thread hasn't been modsmacked yet. Just leave War_Admiral to his little world of intolerance and let the thread die already. He already seems to have swayed the OP to his way of thinking, so he's done enough damage already.
Remember that you have to shoot a zombie in the head to kill it. Riddling the torso with bullets does no good.
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If so, that would be a crying shame, because RP is pretty much the most fun you can have in this game.
Look, there's only so much you can do in this game. Sure, there are variations on the theme, but really, is that 1500th kidnapping mission really any different than the 1000th? Not so much. Now, mind you, I still think it's fun, but it's not something that will keep someone playing for years and years.
Every time you roleplay your character, though, you have a different experience. I've never been roleplaying with people and come away from it thinking, "Well, that was boring," because each time, a different story has been told. My character and other characters have advanced. Not just in experience, influence, and "stuff," but in depth, in background, and in personality.
Doing a good job roleplaying an interesting character is a little bit like watching a really satisfying story on television. The difference, of course, is that not only do you have the satisfaction of watching events unfold, but you have the satisfaction of creating the events that unfold. Plus, you don't have to wait until Wednesday nights at 9:00pm in order to find out what happens next.
It's not like this is a new phenomenon. As little kids, we used to play cowboys and indians. Or maybe with Barbie dolls. I personally remember that I was into Superman and Matchbook cars. I could either be found pretending like I was flying through the air or having high-speed car chases with bad guys, making it all up as I went along. When I was a teenager, I got into Star Trek. (Yes, I'm that geeky.) I would write stories with the characters, because I really did enjoy putting myself into the head of Kirk, Spock, and the others and coming up with the cool stuff they'd do when such-and-such a new species would show up. In college, I took an acting class that focused heavily on improvisation, and I thought I was in heaven. This isn't much different, except for the stories being a little more sophisticated and in-depth.
Point is, if you (the reader, not ClawsandEffect, to whom I responded) want to look at the game as simply mashing buttons, then go ahead, I don't care. But don't you dare act like those of us who have figured out that this is so much a deeper and richer experience than what you're using it for are the odd ones. The way I see it, you're like those crazy people who get on the interstate in a Ferrari and drive 50 MPH. You think you're having fun now, but the truth is that you probably wouldn't know fun if it reached up and bit you on the [censored]. You're sitting here in control of a vehicle that is designed to be fun in some very cool ways, and you're just wasting it.
So yeah, go ahead and mash your buttons and pretend like we're the ones who are sad, pathetic, or whatever other derogatory adjective you feel like throwing in; I don't care. (Believe me, if I survived and thrived through being picked on as a Star Trek geek in high school, anything you say to me today is really small potatoes.) I'm having a blast, apparently a lot more fun than you're having, and that's what matters to me.
So remind me again who's pathetic?
Heh, right.
P.S. ERP isn't real RP any more than a porno is a real movie. If you want to do it, I don't care. But don't come here whining about how RPers just want to "cyber" or whatever, and don't come here whining about how RPers caused drama in your little supergroup. That's just stupid and shows that you really don't know what roleplaying is.
We've been saving Paragon City for eight and a half years. It's time to do it one more time.
(If you love this game as much as I do, please read that post.)
Thank you, TonyV.
One of the worst players I ever met (in my opinion, naturally) was the TF leader with the keybinds for giving orders to the rest of the team. Made no difference that they were at least passably in character. The player just hit them too often.