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From where I'm from, guys dont pretend to play girls. Obviously from where you're from, they do. I'm sorry you have to live around those types of "boys"...I really am.
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Hmmm. remind me not to invite you to a party at my place. My female friends who were born as boys may decide to hurt you lots..... or make out with you, whichever scares you most 
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Its being told you're female when infact you're male. Thats the issue I have.
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So what business is it of yours? Why did you want to know in the first place?
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There's the question. Who cares? How exactly is anybody harmed if a male player wants to convince everybody he's female, or vice-versa? And if nobody is harmed, then it's nobody's freaking business.
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Hmmm. remind me not to invite you to a party at my place. My female friends who were born as boys may decide to hurt you lots..... or make out with you, whichever scares you most
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Or hurt him while making out... but then our friend might find he likes something hes not ready to admit 
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This thread is shameful. I can't even contribute to this conversation for fear of having some weird vaguely homophobic opinion slapping me.
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lolol...that actually made me laugh.
The rest of this is just sad.... 
considering your judgments are the majority of what made the thread sad, thats not saying much.
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You come here, express intolerant attitudes, insult other players - basically, you start something - and then call the responses sad?
Huh.
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First off, TonyV, Robin Williams was not in Tootsie. You're thinking of Mrs. Doubtfire. Dustin Hoffman was in Tootsie.
Now, Admiral. I must remind you again you never actually confirmed that these players you're speaking of weren't female. You just assumed that because they didn't want to use Ventrillo that that must be the reason. That is not conclusive evidence.
Also, just because you role play a female character doesn't automatically mean you're flirting with male characters and making sexual remarks to get other players excited.
I role play several female characters and the role I take is about the character and their background, not their gender. I don't do ERP and if someone asks me or starts flirting with me I will tell them straight out that I am a guy. I think of it like watching a movie, reading a book or playing a console game. The character is a vehicle through which to tell a story. It's not about sexuality at all.
Do you also avoid reading books with a female protagonist? Do you avoid movies about female action heroes? Do you avoid console games that don't offer a male character option? What a sad little life you must have if you do.
Intentionally misleading someone to believe you are female in RL is a lie. RPing the female role of an action character in a game is not.
Assuming all RPers are worthless players is also wrong. I'd bet anything I could play through missions solo on a Defender that you have difficulty with on teams as a Scrapper. And I do it all with style worthy of a blockbuster action movie.
What planet do you guys live on where its a social norm (even online) for guys to pretend they are females?
I guess I'm just ignorant to the fact its acceptable. I can live with that.
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Assuming all RPers are worthless players is also wrong. I'd bet anything I could play through missions solo on a Defender that you have difficulty with on teams as a Scrapper. And I do it all with style worthy of a blockbuster action movie.
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Oh yeah. My SG, we're solid in the middle of the top 100 on our server. Have been for years. We pull in a lot of prestige for a small group. Most of our members have IO'd-out characters. We run superteams. We PvP.
We farm. We do all-boss missions. But we use hard bosses. With the map maxed out for ambushes and patrols to make it more challenging.
And we're dirty no-good lousy little RPers. Every single damn one of us. Why, we even write fanfiction. The horror!
RPers are players too. We play the freakin' game just like anyone else.
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What planet do you guys live on where its a social norm (even online) for guys to pretend they are females?
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We call it "Earth"
A virtual planet where people pretend to be magic elves, flame wielding mutants, superstrong armoured geniuses and aliens who turn into squids? And people of the opposite sex.
Its called Paragon City. Stop being so freaked out.
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Well, if you look at today's news, the whole same-sex marriage debate is still going on in the United States...
The fact that it is a debate demonstrates that there aren't universal social norms regarding sexual identity and gender concepts.
If everyone agreed on an acceptable standard, there wouldn't be a debate.
Now. You don't think men playing female characters in an online game is acceptable. Fine. You're entitled to your opinion. I'm sure a lot of folks think like you.
But you must also accept that there are many many people who disagree, and don't see any problem at all.
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What planet do you guys live on where its a social norm (even online) for guys to pretend they are females?
I guess I'm just ignorant to the fact its acceptable. I can live with that.
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Well, if you look at today's news, the whole same-sex marriage debate is still going on in the United States...
The fact that it is a debate demonstrates that there aren't universal social norms regarding sexual identity and gender concepts.
If everyone agreed on an acceptable standard, there wouldn't be a debate.
Now. You don't think men playing female characters in an online game is acceptable. Fine. You're entitled to your opinion. I'm sure a lot of folks think like you.
But you must also accept that there are many many people who disagree, and don't see any problem at all.
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Also, the US is pretty conservative in this regards compared to most of the rest of the 1st world.
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Earth. Y'know... the one with the oceans and the trees and weird bald monkeys running around in synthetic fabrics.
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What planet do you guys live on where its a social norm (even online) for guys to pretend they are females?
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As long as you're not purposely misleading people into believing you're something you're not (yes, that counts for all the guys out there that say they are computer programmers or experts in the MMO field when they aren't too), it is completely acceptable.
And as I said above, it's not about the gender of the character. It's about the background of the character, where they are from, how they got their powers, how they interact with the game world and the other characters within it. That's what I role play. The gender doesn't even enter into it. Like I said, I don't do that stupid flirting stuff because I am not actually pretending to be a girl. I am role playing a female character. There is a difference.
And we live on Earth. What planet do you live on?
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What planet do you guys live on where its a social norm (even online) for guys to pretend they are females?
I guess I'm just ignorant to the fact its acceptable. I can live with that.
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Well, if you look at today's news, the whole same-sex marriage debate is still going on in the United States...
The fact that it is a debate demonstrates that there aren't universal social norms regarding sexual identity and gender concepts.
If everyone agreed on an acceptable standard, there wouldn't be a debate.
Now. You don't think men playing female characters in an online game is acceptable. Fine. You're entitled to your opinion. I'm sure a lot of folks think like you.
But you must also accept that there are many many people who disagree, and don't see any problem at all.
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I can accept there are people who have no problem with guys playing girls. I know by posting in this thread, I was gonna shake the hornets nest so to speak. But my experience with RPers in this game was NOT a good one. It was terrible.
Therefore, I have strong opinions about those who RP. How do I know when you're RPing? How do I know when you're being honest?
As a small SG, we like to "know" the people we let in. We dont stand outside of Atlas asking every new alt to join. We dont recruit at all. We accept quality over quantity. I said before, they were great players. But I just don't get off on being around those people pretending to be someone else. I guess I'm out of the loop of todays generation. Maybe I'm too old to understand.
Or maybe you guys are just weird!
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What planet do you guys live on where its a social norm (even online) for guys to pretend they are females?
I guess I'm just ignorant to the fact its acceptable. I can live with that.
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Well, if you look at today's news, the whole same-sex marriage debate is still going on in the United States...
The fact that it is a debate demonstrates that there aren't universal social norms regarding sexual identity and gender concepts.
If everyone agreed on an acceptable standard, there wouldn't be a debate.
Now. You don't think men playing female characters in an online game is acceptable. Fine. You're entitled to your opinion. I'm sure a lot of folks think like you.
But you must also accept that there are many many people who disagree, and don't see any problem at all.
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Also, the US is pretty conservative in this regards compared to most of the rest of the 1st world.
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Yeah, there's plenty of European countries who think the Americans are a bunch of Bible-thumping primitives who, for goodness sake, still have the death penalty!
And yet at the same time, there's plenty of Middle Eastern and African countries who see Americans as Godless liberals who have no moral values at all.
Funny, innit?
There's no such thing as one universal standard of right and wrong.
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From that point on...I just assume punch RPers in the face. They're useless if you ask me. Dudes RPing as chicks......get a life. Seriously.
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Says the person who takes the game so seriously he expresses a wish to physically harm those who play in a way he doesn't like....
By the way, you're grossly stereotyping based on a couple examples, and on a matter that really is a non-issue anyway. Yeah, it's not cool to lie OOC about your RL gender when asked, but it only matters to people who think the game is a singles' bar. Nothing more wrong with a guy playing a female character than there is with a male author writing a book with a female character.
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I can accept there are people who have no problem with guys playing girls. I know by posting in this thread, I was gonna shake the hornets nest so to speak. But my experience with RPers in this game was NOT a good one. It was terrible.
Therefore, I have strong opinions about those who RP. How do I know when you're RPing? How do I know when you're being honest?
As a small SG, we like to "know" the people we let in. We dont stand outside of Atlas asking every new alt to join. We dont recruit at all. We accept quality over quantity. I said before, they were great players. But I just don't get off on being around those people pretending to be someone else. I guess I'm out of the loop of todays generation. Maybe I'm too old to understand.
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So you knew you were going to get angry replies. You accept that you might be out of touch with...well, I suppose folks that are younger than you...
...and you started this anyway?
I honestly feel you are entitled to your opinion. Hell, I can understand where you're coming from.
But, firstly, as many people have pointed out, you don't know for sure that those two players in your SG were lying to you. My SG had a Vent server, but we stopped using it because a lot of us didn't like it. Some refused to use it at all.
I agree that it's most probable your two SGmates were really guys enacting some kinda lesbian fantasy. That's the conclusion I'd reach too. But you don't know for sure, do you?
Innocent before proven guilty, guv'nor. Right to a fair trial!
Secondly, throughout this thread you've basically been saying I'm right, and all of you people are abnormal freaks. Your view of acceptable behaviour is correct; everyone else must be wrong.
Even if you're half-joking here by calling people 'weird' or whatever, that's still quite arrogant. Or at least it comes off as arrogant. Aside from the content of the posts, it's also a tone people are gonna take offense to.
I actually think you've made some very good points, and are justified in your beliefs. I agree that the situation sounds incredibly awkward for you and your SG, and - assuming your suspicions are correct - it's not very nice of those players.
But that's different from condemning all people who roleplay, or pretend to be someone else online.
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What planet do you guys live on where its a social norm (even online) for guys to pretend they are females?
I guess I'm just ignorant to the fact its acceptable. I can live with that.
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Well, if you look at today's news, the whole same-sex marriage debate is still going on in the United States...
The fact that it is a debate demonstrates that there aren't universal social norms regarding sexual identity and gender concepts.
If everyone agreed on an acceptable standard, there wouldn't be a debate.
Now. You don't think men playing female characters in an online game is acceptable. Fine. You're entitled to your opinion. I'm sure a lot of folks think like you.
But you must also accept that there are many many people who disagree, and don't see any problem at all.
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I can accept there are people who have no problem with guys playing girls. I know by posting in this thread, I was gonna shake the hornets nest so to speak. But my experience with RPers in this game was NOT a good one. It was terrible.
Therefore, I have strong opinions about those who RP. How do I know when you're RPing? How do I know when you're being honest?
As a small SG, we like to "know" the people we let in. We dont stand outside of Atlas asking every new alt to join. We dont recruit at all. We accept quality over quantity. I said before, they were great players. But I just don't get off on being around those people pretending to be someone else. I guess I'm out of the loop of todays generation. Maybe I'm too old to understand.
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Today's generation?
People have been roleplaying for thousands of years.
In more recent decades, the second character I ever roleplayed in Dungeons and Dragons in 1988 was the opposite sex. This is not a "today's generation" thing.
Haven't you ever got so caught up in a book that you couldn't put it down? Or so engrossed in a movie that you forgot you were hungry and needed to go to the bathroom?
That is what good roleplaying is like. It's inspiring, creative, fantastic story-telling that YOU create and control. THAT is why people enjoy pretending to be someone else so much.
Hiii..
I think perhaps I can shed some light into this topic and war's strong opinion on "role-playing"
The 2 people he is talking about took "role-playing" to a completely different lvl. It borderd on sexual harassment.
It was very flirtatious and harmless in the beginning. Most of it was directed towards me tho and it did get to the point where instead of just being honest and saying stop or whatever, i would make up excuses and say i couldnt chat.
There was numerous tells sent to me of a very explicit nature and I of course would then tell War what was going on, and he would read it. I didnt make it an issue.. I was new to the game and we DID have a great team dynamic.. they are great players.. thats not in question.
They used their sexuality to manipulate the stupid guys in my sg to get what they wanted done.. from tf's, badge hunting, toon lvling.. whatever it was. We always took a vote on what to do that particular evening.. we all kinda met up at the same time nightly so we had a routeine down.. The "inside joke" was to make sure these 2 were kept happy.. when they were happy the sg was drama free. I didnt mind, I was (still am) a new player and was along for the ride.
Then, as a sg, we took a vote on getting a vent chanel.. and at the time there was 8 of us.. 6 0f us said yes and so we got it set up.
This is where it starts to hit the fan..
These 2 became combative and created drama at every possible time.. this went on for a good month before it all just blew up. They had every excuse in the book for not wanting to get on it. The ironic thing is 1 of the excuses they gave is that 1 of them had been a bad "girl" and got busted "cybering" on a different channel.. so the "gf" forbid her from ever getting on a vent channel again. They did however join the channel to listen and would type their replys in the chat bar.
In the final blow up, there were some things said to me that only a guy would say, not a girl/woman. Thats when I knew for certain they were guys.
So, as you can see War has a pretty good reason for not being a fan of "role-playing"
As the ol' saying goes.. "it just takes 1 bad apple to spoil the bunch"
Something else I think thats being missed here is that War DOESNT have an issue with guys PLAYING on a chick toon, as he said, he has 1. What he IS saying is that he has a problem with a guy ROLE PLAYING as a female.. if you cant see that there IS a difference in those 2 thing's.. well.. meh.. perhaps you need to step outside and tell me what color the sky is in your world.
Hugs. 
Fair enough that you want to play with people you treat as real-life friends to some degree, Admiral. Different strokes and all.
From my point of view I've no idea what percentage of the playerbase is actually female. Say it was only 1 in 8. If there were no guys playing female characters, that would mean each full team had on average one female character, making the game more of a simulation of 1940's superheroes than modern teams like the X-Men, with even gender ratios.
It would make the play experience a less authentic simulation of the genre it's trying to recreate, even if the ratio was 1 in 4 female players, or anything less than half.
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Yeah, there's plenty of European countries who think the Americans are a bunch of Bible-thumping primitives who, for goodness sake, still have the death penalty!
And yet at the same time, there's plenty of Middle Eastern and African countries who see Americans as Godless liberals who have no moral values at all.
Funny, innit?
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So true, by my countries standard i'm slightly left of center politically speaking (The right wing of the left of centre political party is where my values align)
In the US I would be considered a far left democrat.
In fact our major political parties are similar to the left wing and right wing of the US democratic party. A party like the republicans wouldn't get 10% of the vote here. The instant someone mentioned religion in a political speech next to no one would vote for them here. (our religious based parties got less than 1% of the vote last time around, less than two TV comedians who made a joke party)
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LOL I completely agree. I assume everyone in game is a guy, but when someone is sending naughty whispers to you it makes you wonder who they really are. I get this in every mmo I've played. I doubt the ppl who do it are girls but you never know. I group with them and shrug it off. I'll let them think I believe they are a girl but I don't indulge their fantasy.
In fact someone told me to my face I was a Buzzkill last night because I refused to play into their little game.
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Actually, my point was that I dont care who someone is in real life.
I find it ridiculous that people want to verify what gender someone is on vent, for example, and so made up an example that was even sillier.
The whole game revolves around power fantasies and pretending you're someone you're not, whether its pretending you're a girl or a fearsome martial leader of a supergroup who beats up gangs of ten thugs with ease.