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Flamebait ? Mentioning that I want a lifetime subscription is flame worthy ? Well, hand me the BBQ sauce then, lol. Wow, you guys really are special, aren't you ?

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Exactly where did the OP go so wrong as to be pounced on?

There is nothing wrong with the suggestion.
The search feature is so complicated and clunky someone actually had to write a "guide" to using it.

So, beans on the old "use teh search feature" "1000 threads on this already" replies.

Even in defending him/herself the OP is still showing a modicum of respect.

I suggest just sticking to the topic of discussion and let the real moderators decide if this is a flame bait thread.

And as such I will take my own advice and leave.

OP, I think its an idea with merit that would be considered if they ever need a quick influx of money/funds.

It would likely be a limited time thing.

Valid question IMO.

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I'd buy a lifetime if it wasn't more than $300 (I'm lying my real number is higher but I wouldn't want them to know that).

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total kick to the gut

This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.

I'd sign up for a lifetime subscription if they had one reasonably priced ($200 or so). I agree that it's not necessarily the best business decision for the company to make, but as a consumer, I'd take advantage of it.

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I think LOTRO is able to afford the Lifetime Sub because they plan on producing a $50 expansion box per year. CoX has only had one "expansion" (CoV) and another is on the way, so a lifetime sub would be a losing proposition for them.

I know I would immediately buy it, and I have a few friends who would, but considering all the money NCSoft has made off me so far it wouldn't be a sound financial decision.

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"To die hating NCSoft for shutting down City of Heroes, that was Freedom."

You guys missed the primary reason that CoH doesn't have a lifetime subscription.

The "I regret buying a lifetime subscription to this game! I'm quitting!!" posts every open beta would get really old.

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Not if it came with my suggestion of perma forum banning for saying "You suck I quit 4evas!".

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You guys missed the primary reason that CoH doesn't have a lifetime subscription.

The "I regret buying a lifetime subscription to this game! I'm quitting!!" posts every open beta would get really old.

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It's a one-time fee. There are no posts saying "I regret the 50 bucks I spent on this game and subsequent updates!" so your argument just shot itself in the foot with a freakin' railgun.

Were it a continuous billing that could never be stopped, yeah, you'd be right. But the arguments against a one-time subscription are thin at best. The only possible argument against it is datamining that shows a very high retention level that, if compared in monthly fees, would cause a drop in income should a lifetime subscription be implemented.

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Doom.

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This is really doom.

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Just because a failing MMO uses lifetime subscription in an attempt to stop people from leaving the game doesn't mean CoH should follow suit. Why would a company offer a lifetime sub if it was doing well?

Again, LOTRO are probably doing it because the majority of players do not keep playing after a year subscribed, so this would actually make them more money then if you played for 3 months and quit.

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My wife and I are both LOTRO Founders and lifetimers. Most of the lifers we know are still playing. LOTRO is still growing (in spite of the doomsayers, but then we see them here too ). By and large, LOTRO has a pretty loyal player base in its niche, just like CoH does.

Bear in mind that most players don't take the lifetime option, whether because they can't afford it up front (we actually didn't convert to lifetime until about eight months later) or because they think it's too risky an investment.

So what the lifetime account does for an MMO (especially a new one) is give them a quick infusion of cash that they can use for further development work, while still receiving monthly subscriptions from the vast majority of players. Expansions and box sales fill in as well.

Introducing a lifetime option into an older MMO might not fare as well, though.

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It's a one-time fee. There are no posts saying "I regret the 50 bucks I spent on this game and subsequent updates!" so your argument just shot itself in the foot with a freakin' railgun.

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Actually, there are. I watched the forums a lot during i14 and have been in i15. There were a lot of "MA is going to be so great I bought 6 months!" "...Now I regret it and I'm quitting when that ends!" I've also seen lots of "I own x accounts and I'm quitting because this issue has nothing I like!" and "I'm taking off my autopay and quitting if they don't add (thing player wants) to this issue."

It stands to reason that people who played forever who suddenly feel like they don't want to play would complain about it. Especially since this is basically already happening but on a smaller scale.

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You guys missed the primary reason that CoH doesn't have a lifetime subscription.

The "I regret buying a lifetime subscription to this game! I'm quitting!!" posts every open beta would get really old.

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It's a one-time fee. There are no posts saying "I regret the 50 bucks I spent on this game and subsequent updates!" so your argument just shot itself in the foot with a freakin' railgun.

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people whine all the time about their regrets re-upping for a year or a couple of months when some change ruffles their feathers.

what makes you think they wouldn't whine about re-upping for ETERNITY every time something they didn't agree with came down the pike?

The screams of "I didn't pay $400 bucks for THIS, omg they stole my munnies!" would be deafening.

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The screams of "I didn't pay $400 bucks for THIS, omg they stole my munnies!" would be deafening.

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#1, I doubt it'd be $400. Just sayin'.

#2, since when has anyone ever cared about a few malcontents complaining?

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Doom.

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This is really doom.

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Just because a failing MMO uses lifetime subscription in an attempt to stop people from leaving the game doesn't mean CoH should follow suit. Why would a company offer a lifetime sub if it was doing well?

Again, LOTRO are probably doing it because the majority of players do not keep playing after a year subscribed, so this would actually make them more money then if you played for 3 months and quit.

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My wife and I are both LOTRO Founders and lifetimers. Most of the lifers we know are still playing. LOTRO is still growing (in spite of the doomsayers, but then we see them here too ). By and large, LOTRO has a pretty loyal player base in its niche, just like CoH does.

Bear in mind that most players don't take the lifetime option, whether because they can't afford it up front (we actually didn't convert to lifetime until about eight months later) or because they think it's too risky an investment.

So what the lifetime account does for an MMO (especially a new one) is give them a quick infusion of cash that they can use for further development work, while still receiving monthly subscriptions from the vast majority of players. Expansions and box sales fill in as well.

Introducing a lifetime option into an older MMO might not fare as well, though.

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Same here. . . Was in LOTRO in the open Beta program and was hooked. As soon as the game went live I got my lifetime subcription, ($200 upfront) now 2+ years later I am playing for free.
We still get content updates just like this game. And if you go by story wise we just got though Moria, and chilling with the Fellowship in Lorien. So we haven't even finished the content of the first book yet, and there are still 2 more to go.

I would by a Lifetime subscription to CoX if one was offered.

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Flamebait ? Mentioning that I want a lifetime subscription is flame worthy ? Well, hand me the BBQ sauce then, lol. Wow, you guys really are special, aren't you ?

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QE

Exactly where did the OP go so wrong as to be pounced on?

There is nothing wrong with the suggestion.
The search feature is so complicated and clunky someone actually had to write a "guide" to using it.

So, beans on the old "use teh search feature" "1000 threads on this already" replies.

Even in defending him/herself the OP is still showing a modicum of respect.

I suggest just sticking to the topic of discussion and let the real moderators decide if this is a flame bait thread.

And as such I will take my own advice and leave.

OP, I think its an idea with merit that would be considered if they ever need a quick influx of money/funds.

It would likely be a limited time thing.

Valid question IMO.

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#2, since when has anyone ever cared about a few malcontents complaining?

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you put that in just for me, right.

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#2, since when has anyone ever cared about a few malcontents complaining?

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Heck, the forums would be boring without them to entertain me.

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total kick to the gut

This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.

a lifetime subscription makes sense if you are trying to rapidly raise funds.

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If CoH/CoV offered a lifetime subscription, I would consider it.

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i guess what everyone is saying is that if we want lifetime subscriptions we should drive paragon studios to the brink of bankruptcy

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The screams of "I didn't pay $400 bucks for THIS, omg they stole my munnies!" would be deafening.

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#1, I doubt it'd be $400. Just sayin'.

#2, since when has anyone ever cared about a few malcontents complaining?

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I took your point of your reply to be that nobody who bought a lifetime sub would cry about it because you haven't seen anyone whine about buying the game itself.

I'm saying yes they would.

Dollar amount is irrelevant, the moment something they didn't like happened some folk would be here moaning and whining about wanting their $___ back and claiming they would cancel if they could.

They wouldn't get any more play than the people who sign up for a year and cry about leaving after two months, but it would definitely happen.

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My City Was Gone

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As some of you know, Lord of the Rings Online has a "lifetime subscription" option that can be gotten as an invitation from a Founding Playing. This gives you the ability to pay $200 for membership and then never pay another monthly subscription.

Why oh why can't COH offer this ? I would gladly pay $200, or more, to get a lifetime subscription for COH.

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Not sure but last time i read that lifetime thing was a very limited edition thing with certain preorders. Not sure if they expanded on it, though.

Anyways: Lifetime subscriptions = gun to the head. You sacrifice future revenue for instant gratification that results in future bankruptcy, not to mention liability should you be forced to cancel but not to go out of business.

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I'm also a LOTRO Founder/Lifer, and my husband and I are planning on getting 2 more lifetime subs. We would be ALL OVER a lifetime CoX subscription offering. One thing to consider is that even if someone has been playing for 4 years, they may never be able to drop 200+ bucks at one time for a subscription, so there will always be those who cannot actually afford a lifetime subscription even though they're spending more money in the long run.

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Just because a failing MMO uses lifetime subscription in an attempt to stop people from leaving the game doesn't mean CoH should follow suit. Why would a company offer a lifetime sub if it was doing well?

Again, LOTRO are probably doing it because the majority of players do not keep playing after a year subscribed, so this would actually make them more money then if you played for 3 months and quit.

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My wife and I are both LOTRO Founders and lifetimers. Most of the lifers we know are still playing. LOTRO is still growing (in spite of the doomsayers, but then we see them here too ). By and large, LOTRO has a pretty loyal player base in its niche, just like CoH does.

Bear in mind that most players don't take the lifetime option, whether because they can't afford it up front (we actually didn't convert to lifetime until about eight months later) or because they think it's too risky an investment.

So what the lifetime account does for an MMO (especially a new one) is give them a quick infusion of cash that they can use for further development work, while still receiving monthly subscriptions from the vast majority of players. Expansions and box sales fill in as well.

Introducing a lifetime option into an older MMO might not fare as well, though.

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Same here. . . Was in LOTRO in the open Beta program and was hooked. As soon as the game went live I got my lifetime subcription, ($200 upfront) now 2+ years later I am playing for free.
We still get content updates just like this game. And if you go by story wise we just got though Moria, and chilling with the Fellowship in Lorien. So we haven't even finished the content of the first book yet, and there are still 2 more to go.

I would by a Lifetime subscription to CoX if one was offered.

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Same here, but I agree with above posters that it probably won't happen.

My hubby and I and about half of my SG from COH are lifers in LOTRO, and most of us still play it off and on. I'm a long time LOTR geek (won several prizes on trivia both in LOTRO beta and during contests when the movies were in theaters) , so I knew before actually playing it that I'd probably be getting the founders package. It's not COH, I much prefer the gameplay here, but the immersion factor there makes me giddy. I completely love the story. I have left and come back recently to it, and I'm in love again. So much so that the COH sub will not be renewing. I doubt I'll be gone forever, I do love this game too, but with my SG gone or not available when I play, and just general burnout, I need a break. What little I still play and my obvious forum bent simply does not justify the sub costs for me.

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