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that's very sweet. I agree in spirit and I'm seckritly hoping all the folks that decided to leave recently will come back. and if we must have shame, there'll be plenty the morning after the "thunderbird and cheap hotel room" going away party we have planned for Scimi to close out his norcal trip 
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Gud � Peeps
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| Smores
Ebil - Circus Peanuts
...this gives me a good idea for an event. Day 1: CoX drinking game (Drow made up some pretty good rules a couple years ago), next day we have a Walk of Shame through Atlas Park, stating what we did and why we're ashamed 
I agree with the OP's sentiments, though. CoX has always been about the community for me.
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I agree with the OP's sentiments, though. CoX has always been about the community for me.
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It's about being United not Divided that makes this server great. 
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Perhaps you wouldn't feel such shame if you didn't constantly do such immoral things to Liv.
GOD IS ALWAYS WATCHING YOU, JUDADS
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Perhaps you wouldn't feel such shame if you didn't constantly do such immoral things to Liv.
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Dude, what do you think I pay him for?
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Fight my brute!
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*hides under an umbrella so none of the gods can see her*
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Dude, what do you think I pay him for?
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He never gets it. All the money has to go to pay for booze and hookers.
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God sees through the eyes of all small children.
And dogs.
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As my Kumu (hula instructor) likes to say, "No shame! Shame is for when you steal."
No shame in coming back if things get better either or if something else changes.
Personally I am choosing to let my account expire because of how issues of late have been handled.
I kept subbed partially because I still find the game fun, sadly I just don't have a lot of time to play anymore and my interest in playing has been fading. Despite the slacking of personal interest I remained subscribed because I liked the idea of being able to play, and because I really liked the dev team and wanted to support them. As of today, I simply have no respect anymore for how the devs have acted as of late. We used to have a really good and fairly constant communication with the developers and now we don't. Instead of taking feedback on a broken mechanism in their newest feature and fixing it, the devs chose to punish the players for abusing it whether or not they had actually used it.
Long story short, now that I no longer feel any loyalty to this dev team, nor feel like supporting them, the game just isn't fun enough for me anymore to keep me interested.
If they come out with something awesome and new, I may come back and check it out, but I probably wont stay long even then. If I see the devs shift attitude and return to what made them awesome and admit some fault in punishing honest players (not apologize at all for punishing those that abused the system), I will probably be back for much longer.
so while you may feel there is no shame in staying, there is also no shame in cancelling when you feel the product that you are paying for is simply no longer worth it.
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so while you may feel there is no shame in staying, there is also no shame in cancelling when you feel the product that you are paying for is simply no longer worth it.
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Canceling isn't stealing, so no shame in that either. 
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I'm staying.
Though I'm sure nobody cares; just like I don't really care that people are leaving.
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But Dan.. do you care that some people are staying???
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Not all gods watch from above. Some watch from below, up your skirt.
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I'm staying.
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If that was the case then you needn't have posted.
Didn't they just kind of talk about maybe banning some of the most egregious farmers and haven't even done that yet? Honestly this whole things seems like yet another tempest in a teapot that's perhaps all this forum has ever has been good for. If that's all it takes to get you to leave then it seems more like you would find some other reason to leave soon anyway.
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Didn't they just kind of talk about maybe banning some of the most egregious farmers and haven't even done that yet? Honestly this whole things seems like another tempest in a teapot that's all this forum maybe ever has been good for. If that's all it takes to get you to leave then it seems more like you would find some other reason to leave soon anyway.
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No, it wasn't just kind of talk...people don't typically leave over just talk. You can find a good summary on what happened here.
While I will miss those leaving and hope they will return sometime in the future, I certainly respect the reasons for their decision to leave.
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Didn't they just kind of talk about maybe banning some of the most egregious farmers and haven't even done that yet? Honestly this whole things seems like yet another tempest in a teapot that's perhaps all this forum has ever has been good for. If that's all it takes to get you to leave then it seems more like you would find some other reason to leave soon anyway.
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This whole game is a tempest in a teapot. Blaming forum people for responding to the actions of the devs while somehow missing the whole issue altogether doesn't really give you much credibility when trying to downplay the issue itself.
Try reading from here and here for a primer on what has gone on if you're really interested in knowing why people are peeved, whether they were affected directly or not.
There's actually alot more information on the forums. If you want to know more, just ask and I can provide more links.
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Didn't they just kind of talk about maybe banning some of the most egregious farmers and haven't even done that yet? Honestly this whole things seems like another tempest in a teapot that's all this forum maybe ever has been good for. If that's all it takes to get you to leave then it seems more like you would find some other reason to leave soon anyway.
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I don't really want to get into the details here, but in short, instead of handling it on a case by case basis like they said they would, they instead ran a ban script and the problem I have with it is that a number of people who never stepped into MA at all got banned because they leveled too fast using the legitimate level pacting.
There was a lot of information about what happened so its not a tempest in a teapot, its an actual issue that was handled very poorly. I've been here for well over 2 years, I enjoyed the game and attended both meet and greets. Until this happened I was very much invested in this game and cared a great deal for it. Just because you didn't hear about it does not mean it didn't happen, what it means is that you didn't pay attention and the devs did a good job trying to bury it.
like I have said many times, my issue isn't that people got banned for abusing MA, my issue is that punishment was handed out for no reason to people who didn't even use MA because they used a script rather than do it case by case. Its also an issue that should have never happened if they did their job right and fixed what everyone was telling them was wrong in closed beta rather than push it live.
Something has changed at paragon studios and I suspect it has something to do with NCsofts major investment into it and the strings attached to that investment. Its not a good direction.
In any case, I have said what I came to say and I wont drag it out anymore. Whether or not someone has paid enough attention to know what did or did not happen does not change the fact that it did indeed happen.
My account is still active for another (sigh) few months thanks to CS. won't go into details about that whole nonsense situation.
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Something has changed at paragon studios and I suspect it has something to do with NCsofts major investment into it and the strings attached to that investment. Its not a good direction.
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I have noticed a trend to assume the worst of things, and felt the need to offer an alternative viewpoint that I hope is not too unrealistic. I agree with what you say above right up until the bolding ends.
Something HAS changed due to NCSoft's major investment. Paragon Studios have hired and continue to hire more people to work on this franchise.
And with the influx of new people come both solutions & problems. The things the development team want to do but had been prohibited from doing because there just wasn't enough time in the day for them to even try? Some of those things can now be shifted over to the "new guys." However, at the same time, the "new-guys" need to learn how best to become part of the "City of" team. They need to either learn how things get done at Paragon Studios, or convince the old-timers that there's a better way to do it & then teach them how.
I expect that much of the time our formerly very communicative dev team used to be able to spend with us is now taken up providing direction & training to those that now work with them. And it's possible that with the bringing in of new people, responsibilities have been handed off and that "old" lessons learned, somehow failed to get passed along.
I'm not going to say you're wrong. I don't have any more knowledge of what goes on in Paragon Studios than you do, so it would be stupid to say so. However, I will say my hypothesis of what's going on is as valid as yours is, and in my opinion the more likely explanation.
Look, I miss the communication with the devs too, but can understand why it may have died off. I hope that with time, the old channels can be re-opened, or new ones developed. But I also realize that it may take time and so, will be patient.
Based on what I heard on the boards, I too am disappointed by the way things are appearing to be handled. However, this sparks a thought. Based on what was said & done on the boards, some people were infuriated. Now imagine what might have happened were that allowed to flourish unchecked?
Some have seemed to suggest that it would merely have been a blowing off of steam, or a discussion of concern about what was going on. I call bull-pucky. Be brutally honest. Think about other boards. Think about how one post in anger spawns another and then yet another and then starts growing from a minor nit to a HUGE deal with plenty of hurt feelings to go around. Think about how quite a few people have stated that one of the things they like about these boards is how that sort of thing is a relative rarity.
So yeah, it would have been nice if the mods had let you vent your feelings. Nice for you. Who else would be served by that? No one here can do anything to help speed up a resolution of your problem. All we can do is post how that sucks & how we feel for you. As other have pointed out, sometimes brutally, there are other channels for that. All allowing those posts to remain on these boards would do is to serve as a record of your discontent and of the people that held your hand & patted your shoulder. It would also have served as ammuntion for the jerk-faces that like to go around stirring up trouble. In short, it would have made these boards just like those that some come here to escape.
Hmph. I could go one, but I expect I'd either bore you or make a bigger fool of myslef than I already have. So, let's wrap things up. IF you've gone to HeroCon/the Meet & Greets, then you've seen that the devs are people who love this game & the community that has formed around it. You will also have seen that they want to make this game as fun, interesting, exciting, challenging, & rewarding as they can for as many of us as they can, for as long as they can. There's something that gets in the way though. People.
A) They're people, not gods & not robots. They're bright & talented, but they make mistakes & lapses in judgement. They get tired & they have bad days.
B) We're people. We have our own tastes & preferences. We have our opinions. We have our prejudices. We are not all the same.
Given B) those poor saps in A) seem to be setting themselves up for failure as they'll ALWAY be doing something wrong, in someone's opinion. So, all they can do is do what they think is best, based on their talents, knowledge & experience and hope that it's good enough for the majority of us out here.
What you can do is decide what is best for you, and then act on it.
I hope I've managed to add something useful to the discussion as it's popped up.
Nice post, Red. For whatever my endorsement's worth.
I also agree with you regarding the "venting" issue, but point out that there likely have been a need for venting if we'd simply been told what was going on.
Or at least as much.
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I just wanted to let people know that there really is no shame in staying and not leaving the game. I like many others are sad to see many good people leave this game and many of them i dont think really want to leave. I am hopeful that some of you that are on the fence or maybe that have left and are trolling the forums will still be here with us none of your friends will think any less of you if you choose to stay or come back. I think yours and many others points have been made. Remember why you play the game its usually not to get 50 #18 or to solo til your hands bleed. its usually the people and here on Justice we have some very good ones. just some food for thought.
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