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The expectations being laid at the feet of an employee that simply doesn't fit the position required for an appropriate response to this issue are simply silly. I wholeheartedly encourage those that wish to, to contact customer service or approach other facets of NCSoft to get their views aired to the appropriate audience.
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Once again like TJ you assume I have not done this, I have the silence is not just on the forums. Also i didn't say he couldn't post, you said you couldn't see Iggy's point i pointed out how it may seem to others. Also I didn't say he couldn't post on the Justice forums I said it may have been a poor JUDGEMENT call to post in this thread. However as Pum pointed out i didn't see the positive aspects of him posting here provided he actually read anything else in the thread.
Also I am continuing my behind the scenes fight so if you think I have not tried to contact people you are wrong I have just decided to move higher up the food chain than the dev's.
Also about expectations funny how it's ok to have them for me, see I had my PERC title removed since I spoke out in a position contrary to theirs and I am not an employee yet I was told it was because they expected different of me. I guess it's silly of me to have expectations of a company leader.
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Color me shocked.
TJ made an arrogant, condescending post.
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Apparently you don't know me very well. I can do either arrogant or condescending quite well. I shine when I combine them, possibly even to the point of rivalling LHF or Judas.
However, neither was used by me in this thread until now.
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I see you replied to Enri's post but not mine........
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My reply to enrious' post had nothing to do with the topic of the thread, only a comment regarding my post being arrogant or condescending.
Just as this response has nothing to do with the topic of the thread, just a response to the comment you made. If you want to discuss it further with me, it won't be on the forums.
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Once again like TJ you assume I have not done this, I have the silence is not just on the forums. Also i didn't say he couldn't post, you said you couldn't see Iggy's point i pointed out how it may seem to others. Also I didn't say he couldn't post on the Justice forums I said it may have been a poor JUDGEMENT call to post in this thread. However as Pum pointed out i didn't see the positive aspects of him posting here provided he actually read anything else in the thread.
Also I am continuing my behind the scenes fight so if you think I have not tried to contact people you are wrong I have just decided to move higher up the food chain than the dev's.
Also about expectations funny how it's ok to have them for me, see I had my PERC title removed since I spoke out in a position contrary to theirs and I am not an employee yet I was told it was because they expected different of me. I guess it's silly of me to have expectations of a company leader.
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Don't put words in my mouth. This is not something I said or implied.
If the game spit out 20 dollar bills people would complain that they weren't sequentially numbered. If they were sequentially numbered people would complain that they weren't random enough.
Black Pebble is my new hero.
Nope your right i just reread it and i misread something my apologies.
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The expectations being laid at the feet of an employee that simply doesn't fit the position required for an appropriate response to this issue are simply silly. I wholeheartedly encourage those that wish to, to contact customer service or approach other facets of NCSoft to get their views aired to the appropriate audience.
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Once again like TJ you assume I have not done this, I have the silence is not just on the forums.
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Sorry, I'm not sure where in my statement there was an assumption that you (or anyone else) has not contacted anyone beyond the forums. I encouraged it, and that was the extent of the statement. I think you are reading too much into some of the replies here.
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Also i didn't say he couldn't post, you said you couldn't see Iggy's point i pointed out how it may seem to others. Also I didn't say he couldn't post on the Justice forums I said it may have been a poor JUDGEMENT call to post in this thread. However as Pum pointed out i didn't see the positive aspects of him posting here provided he actually read anything else in the thread.
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If Iggy's point was that BaBs shouldn't have posted in this thread at all then 1) It was poorly portrayed as such and 2) reread where I think that will lead in my previous post.
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Again, I made no comment about whether you or anyone else did or did not contact appropriate channels.
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Also about expectations funny how it's ok to have them for me, see I had my PERC title removed since I spoke out in a position contrary to theirs and I am not an employee yet I was told it was because they expected different of me. I guess it's silly of me to have expectations of a company leader.
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It's not silly to have expectations of a company leader. BaBs is NOT a company leader. He's an artist... lead artist specifically. He probably has exactly zero to do with ANYTHING related to this issue. So, folllowing that, it's silly to have unreasonable expectations from that particular employee in regards to this issue. And yes, I consider it unreasonable to expect BaBs to only respond in an on-topic manner in a forum who's very existence and flavor is based on the off-topic and meandering discussions. I don't expect everyone to agree with that viewpoint, and I'm not implying that everyone should. I do, however, feel that allowing a forum (and the developers) to function in that manner (ie, allow them to be human AND have fun) will make the forums a more enjoyable place.
Now, I have no idea how and why you lost your PERC title. I haven't followed every conversation about this issue since the beginning. First, it was my understanding that PERC was a player-run organization that got some limited support from the developers. If the developers or customer service removed you from a player-run organization, I'd say that obviously oversteps the bounds of their authority. However, once you ask for (and receive) support from the developers, the organization, unfortunately becomes somewhat of a public face for them, whether players and forum posteres view it as such or not. If the organization is ultimately run by NCSoft in some fashion (and supported by volunteer players) then they are within their rights to remove someone from that organization. I won't comment on whether it's right or wrong that they did so in your situtation (or any other), as I don't know the specifics... but if it is their organization, it's their right, not yours.
Finally, I fully expect this post to be deleted due to existing forum rules... 3... 2... 1...
Lol i said to someone mine would be deleted as well.
PERC is player run with very limited support from the devs and no i was not removed from there. I resigned.
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Meh.
BaBs has always been funny and fairly open with the community and Justice community in particular.
I have no problem with him posting in here as a joke or in a serious matter. But I don't expect him to comment about work stuff too far afield from art and animations.
It's not his style nor should it be.
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First, it was my understanding that PERC was a player-run organization that got some limited support from the developers. If the developers or customer service removed you from a player-run organization, I'd say that obviously oversteps the bounds of their authority. However, once you ask for (and receive) support from the developers, the organization, unfortunately becomes somewhat of a public face for them, whether players and forum posteres view it as such or not. If the organization is ultimately run by NCSoft in some fashion (and supported by volunteer players) then they are within their rights to remove someone from that organization. I won't comment on whether it's right or wrong that they did so in your situtation (or any other), as I don't know the specifics... but if it is their organization, it's their right, not yours.
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Based on all of the information regarding PERC since the time it was created, it's always been my understanding that PERC was a player-run organization (run by players for players) that received limited support and sponsorship from NCSoft/Paragon Studios.
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Man, I think enri is running a post delete count contest or something. I don't know who's in the lead, him, philly or iggy.
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I got that TJ and that's why I didn't say anything.
FWIW.
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Meh.
BaBs has always been funny and fairly open with the community and Justice community in particular.
I have no problem with him posting in here as a joke or in a serious matter. But I don't expect him to comment about work stuff too far afield from art and animations.
It's not his style nor should it be.
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Agreed.
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Meh.
BaBs has always been funny and fairly open with the community and Justice community in particular.
I have no problem with him posting in here as a joke or in a serious matter. But I don't expect him to comment about work stuff too far afield from art and animations.
It's not his style nor should it be.
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Ditto.
Additionally, I'd like to add that I don't see his post as intending to detract from the issue at hand, but to inject a little humor in an existing joke tangent. Such tangents are no different from any other Justice thread or poster actions and to view his post as some sort of slight is reading a bit much into things.
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You have no right to say what another person can say or not say just to appease the minority.
Either leave the game or get over it. Whats done is done. It all sucks but I think the majority of people want to just get past it and are sick of stupid drama. $15 bucks a month does not give you the right to say what another can or can not do.
I've stayed out all these threads but it just annoys the crap out of me.
BaBs is a good guy. He's done me a solid in the past and I am going to get his back on this here. He said a freakin joke to lighten the tension. Chillax my fellow Justarians (justice server friends).
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Wow, you're still in just as fiery a mood today as you were yesterday lol
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Wow, you're still in just as fiery a mood today as you were yesterday lol
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Guess so. I just woke up a bit ago, made food, grabbed another beer (I dont normally drink so I guess its my mood) and have so much work to deal with now from the websites to Bio's story to the story with Spectacular Sparky and whatever else.
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You have no right to say what another person can say or not say just to appease the minority.
Either leave the game or get over it. Whats done is done. It all sucks but I think the majority of people want to just get past it and are sick of stupid drama. $15 bucks a month does not give you the right to say what another can or can not do.
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You have no right to say what another person can say or not say just to appease the minority.
Either leave the game or get over it. Whats done is done. It all sucks but I think the majority of people want to just get past it and are sick of stupid drama. $15 bucks a month does not give you the right to say what another can or can not do.
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Based on that. Yes. I was drunk last night when I said that so my words were mixed up. Probably a better way to put that to not display the hypocricy but eh, i dont really are anymore.
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It's a shame that that wasn't clarified awhile ago, there's been a lot of speculation on what actually happened and I know several people who were on the fence and whose decision to leave the game was swayed because they were under the impression that you were forcefully removed from PERC. 
I think she clarified it it at the time, but as of now the post is missing.
That's all I'm saying. (Hi '8)
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Meh.
BaBs has always been funny and fairly open with the community and Justice community in particular.
I have no problem with him posting in here as a joke or in a serious matter. But I don't expect him to comment about work stuff too far afield from art and animations.
It's not his style nor should it be.
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And actually, it WAS art related stuff he was posting about and in response to. I can see him taking an interest in a Don Quixote type character and even a Sancho Panza sidekick and making them look as good as possible.
After all, THAT is art.
If the game spit out 20 dollar bills people would complain that they weren't sequentially numbered. If they were sequentially numbered people would complain that they weren't random enough.
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What an epic thread... what satisfies me most though is the fact that most of us are engaging in a serious discussion about the actions of NCSoft in the last 12 months; and when a red name finally comes in and makes a comment, it's not to address any of the real issues that we have with their decisions. It's a poor attempt at humor that has relatively nothing to do with the majority of the thread.
Thanks for not listening BaBz.... I guess some things never change.
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BaBs is an artist... you really think of all the Paragon employees he'd be the one to comment on the original topic of the thread with anything important? And additionally, if an official response WAS forthcoming, you expect it to happen in a Justice forum thread?
I'm a developer... if I go to a forum for a game I've worked on and talk about company policies I am at best, talking about stuff that is way outside my job description and none of my business, and at worst, risking my job by talking about such things. Even if said forum is full of the best and greatest people on the planet, I've got no business doing that sort of thing. And they've got no business expecting me to.
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I'm not sure that I can second guess what the development staff are going to do next. We've seen in the last 12 months that they've done a lot of things that even Nostradamus wouldn't have been able to see coming.
I just call it like I see it... Why can't you and why can't they?
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What an epic thread... what satisfies me most though is the fact that most of us are engaging in a serious discussion about the actions of NCSoft in the last 12 months; and when a red name finally comes in and makes a comment, it's not to address any of the real issues that we have with their decisions. It's a poor attempt at humor that has relatively nothing to do with the majority of the thread.
Thanks for not listening BaBz.... I guess some things never change.
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BaBs is an artist... you really think of all the Paragon employees he'd be the one to comment on the original topic of the thread with anything important? And additionally, if an official response WAS forthcoming, you expect it to happen in a Justice forum thread?
I'm a developer... if I go to a forum for a game I've worked on and talk about company policies I am at best, talking about stuff that is way outside my job description and none of my business, and at worst, risking my job by talking about such things. Even if said forum is full of the best and greatest people on the planet, I've got no business doing that sort of thing. And they've got no business expecting me to.
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I'm not sure that I can second guess what the development staff are going to do next. We've seen in the last 12 months that they've done a lot of things that even Nostradamus wouldn't have been able to see coming.
I just call it like I see it... Why can't you and why can't they?
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Man, I think enri is running a post delete count contest or something. I don't know who's in the lead, him, philly or iggy.
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Man, I don't even rate. Shouldn't my post have been deleted as a matter of course of discussing moderator actions anyhow?
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Either leave the game or get over it. Whats done is done. It all sucks but I think the majority of people want to just get past it and are sick of stupid drama. $15 bucks a month does not give you the right to say what another can or can not do.
I've stayed out all these threads but it just annoys the crap out of me...
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This is exactly the attitude that allows you to get walked on. Just hope that the person stepping on you never wears stilettos (I'm looking at you, enri).
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So, we're back to square one I guess... red names post and they get slammed for their lack of information, content, whatnot... or they don't post and they get slammed for their silence. Again, expectations beyond common sense.
The expectations being laid at the feet of an employee that simply doesn't fit the position required for an appropriate response to this issue are simply silly. I wholeheartedly encourage those that wish to, to contact customer service or approach other facets of NCSoft to get their views aired to the appropriate audience.
However, if anyone has issues with where and how a redname posts in the Justice forum (need I point out the general tone this forum usually has?) then your best bet is to send that concern directly to BaBs or a moderator. In my opinion, all that would do is further drive away any developer traffic in this forum. One look at the reactions here and, as a developer, I'm suddenly not so surprised at the pervading silence that's hanging over the forums.