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BaBs is probably muzzled from saying anything it about this until Posi has.
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I'm not going to comment on it for two reasons.
One, it's way outside of my department. I wasn't involved in the decisions and know absolutely nothing about what was done to who or why (outside of very broad generalities that everyone is already aware of).
Two, it's entirely a customer service issue. It's against the forum rules to discuss customer service issues here on the forums. And whether anyone wants to believe it or not, I'm just as beholden to the rules of these forums as the rest of you.
I was perusing this thread, saw reference to 'Man of La Mancha'--a play that my wife did props for in college--and pointed out that the Golden Helmet of Mambrino was actually a shaving basin.
I probably should have paid more attention to the original topic of the thread and the unintended attention that having a link to an OT post in the Dev Digest would bring to it, and for that I apologize.
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I'm glad you feel no sense of responsibility for the actions of a company in which you are employed with.
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So, you'd prefer that he break the forum rules, talk about something that's not even remotely related to his job description, and by doing so, probably risk his job, for the sake of being perceived as a better employee. So, if he does that, and he gets fired, your upstanding employee is now gone and you're worse off than before.
That's a nice no-win scenario you've set up there.
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How about.. I'd like someone to openly take responsibility for it and not just pass the buck.
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How about the concept of keeping a (presumably) a reasonably well paying job in the current American economic climate? or are too young/apathetic/oblivious to grasp that
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BaBs is probably muzzled from saying anything it about this until Posi has.
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I'm not going to comment on it for two reasons.
One, it's way outside of my department. I wasn't involved in the decisions and know absolutely nothing about what was done to who or why (outside of very broad generalities that everyone is already aware of).
Two, it's entirely a customer service issue. It's against the forum rules to discuss customer service issues here on the forums. And whether anyone wants to believe it or not, I'm just as beholden to the rules of these forums as the rest of you.
I was perusing this thread, saw reference to 'Man of La Mancha'--a play that my wife did props for in college--and pointed out that the Golden Helmet of Mambrino was actually a shaving basin.
I probably should have paid more attention to the original topic of the thread and the unintended attention that having a link to an OT post in the Dev Digest would bring to it, and for that I apologize.
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One - i am glad BABs posted again, it confirmed what so many of us were thinking and
Two - he shouldn't have to apologize for posting any more than any other Justice player and
Three - do you see the bit where he uses the thread to connect us by sharing a part of his personal life? THAT is what justice is about to me. Maybe I'm prejudice because i found several friends and one boyfriend through this community, but that experience is what sells it, and we get to have it with a red-name. Because:
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that's very sweet. I agree in spirit and I'm seckritly hoping all the folks that decided to leave recently will come back. and if we must have shame, there'll be plenty the morning after the "thunderbird and cheap hotel room" going away party we have planned for Scimi to close out his norcal trip 
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I don't know how "believe in the game" came out of my original post. And I don't wanna go there or I'll end up like TJ, pulling my hair out over poor reading comprehension skills.
My point is/was that:
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Justice is a great mixing pot of people: raiders, pvpers, rp'ers, badgers, farmers, pl'ers, pug'ers, trolls and even griefers. You name it, Justice probably has it. I don't want people to go regardless of their reasons. I want Justice to stay the great and awesome place it is.
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In that sense i am motivated by self interest. Justice is my home. I'm unhappy with my home changing, and I hope people will come back. And while it might seem like I am bucking for the position of Justice server's new puppies and rainbows bullsh****r, I'm not naive enough to assume that everyone who's left will magically come back. One - some folks have legit reasons for leaving and two - those reasons are usually *way* more complicated than can be expressed on the boards.
I'm just saying I don't want to see them go.
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couldn't read the whole thread? what a sign of comprehension
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BaBs is probably muzzled from saying anything it about this until Posi has.
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I'm not going to comment on it for two reasons.
One, it's way outside of my department. I wasn't involved in the decisions and know absolutely nothing about what was done to who or why (outside of very broad generalities that everyone is already aware of).
Two, it's entirely a customer service issue. It's against the forum rules to discuss customer service issues here on the forums. And whether anyone wants to believe it or not, I'm just as beholden to the rules of these forums as the rest of you.
I was perusing this thread, saw reference to 'Man of La Mancha'--a play that my wife did props for in college--and pointed out that the Golden Helmet of Mambrino was actually a shaving basin.
I probably should have paid more attention to the original topic of the thread and the unintended attention that having a link to an OT post in the Dev Digest would bring to it, and for that I apologize.
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I'm glad you feel no sense of responsibility for the actions of a company in which you are employed with.
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So, you'd prefer that he break the forum rules, talk about something that's not even remotely related to his job description, and by doing so, probably risk his job, for the sake of being perceived as a better employee. So, if he does that, and he gets fired, your upstanding employee is now gone and you're worse off than before.
That's a nice no-win scenario you've set up there.
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How about.. I'd like someone to openly take responsibility for it and not just pass the buck.
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How about the concept of keeping a (presumably) a reasonably well paying job in the current American economic climate? or are too young/apathetic/oblivious to grasp that
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Is the current American economic climate that much different from the current global economic climate? As I'm not an american, I wouldn't think so. But I may be wrong.
Is it too hard to understand that some of the customers of this game would like something along the lines of this but for the MA/Exploit/Ban/Character deletion [censored]-up?
And if BaBs wanted to convey how sorry he was on behalf of NCSoft (kinda like Posi did for the badge revocation) it would be 100% more than what we have now; NCSoft sweeping this under the carpet.
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Is the current American economic climate that much different from the current global economic climate? As I'm not an american, I wouldn't think so. But I may be wrong.
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Yeah, the economy is pretty crummy in the US...particularly in California where Paragon Studios is located. The state government's budget is in shambles, real estate has been in decline for the last 4 years, tons of homeowners are upside-down on their mortgages, foreclosure rates are through the roof, the number of available jobs are in decline as employers layoff workers to cut costs and the state's unemployment rate has been hovering near the 11% mark over the last couple months...meaning over 1 in 10 people in the state are currently without employment (the highest unemployment rate in over a quarter-century).
Not exactly the best of times for a Californian to be putting their job on the line...
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Maybe I'm prejudice because i found several boyfriends and one friend. THAT is what justice is about to me.
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Is the current American economic climate that much different from the current global economic climate? As I'm not an american, I wouldn't think so. But I may be wrong.
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Yeah, the economy is pretty crummy in the US...particularly in California where Paragon Studios is located. The state government's budget is in shambles, real estate has been in decline for the last 4 years, tons of homeowners are upside-down on their mortgages, foreclosure rates are through the roof, the number of available jobs are in decline as employers layoff workers to cut costs and the state's unemployment rate has been hovering near the 11% mark over the last couple months...meaning over 1 in 10 people in the state are currently without employment (the highest unemployment rate in over a quarter-century).
Not exactly the best of times for a Californian to be putting their job on the line...
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Sounds pretty much like the current economic state for the majority of the global community.
North America and Western Europe are the hardest hit by the current recession. Least affected is South Asia. Most affected local regions are the places that ran up property values in the last 5 years. The bubble has burst in those regions and taken down the economy with it, including Wall Street and heavy industry, especially those centered around cars.
Best places to weather out the recession are China and Canada.
I can tell you that Australasia was hit pretty hard too. I still don't see what singling out an American economic climate has to do with NCSoft not wanting to achieve customer satisfaction. Mind you, for every single intelligent and thought-provoking american that I meet, there is always one half-baked red-neck that finds it hard to construct a sentence before blurting out ridiculous gibberish.
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I still don't see what singling out an American economic climate has to do with NCSoft not wanting to achieve customer satisfaction.
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It was among the reasons that folks were using to illustrate why it is was unreasonable to expect BAB to comment on the issues that happened last month. It's outside of his scope of expertise and to comment on the matter runs the risk of putting his job in jeopardy...an unwise move in light of the current economic climate.
No one is arguing that NCSoft shouldn't to their damnedest to achieve satisfactory customer service, just that it's not BAB's department and he shouldn't be expected to comment on the situation.
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North America and Western Europe are the hardest hit by the current recession. Least affected is South Asia. Most affected local regions are the places that ran up property values in the last 5 years. The bubble has burst in those regions and taken down the economy with it, including Wall Street and heavy industry, especially those centered around cars.
Best places to weather out the recession are China and Canada.
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I still don't see what singling out an American economic climate has to do with NCSoft not wanting to achieve customer satisfaction.
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It was among the reasons that folks were using to illustrate why it is was unreasonable to expect BAB to comment on the issues that happened last month. It's outside of his scope of expertise and to comment on the matter runs the risk of putting his job in jeopardy...an unwise move in light of the current economic climate.
No one is arguing that NCSoft shouldn't to their damnedest to achieve satisfactory customer service, just that it's not BAB's department and he shouldn't be expected to comment on the situation.
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I'm sure he could get a job at Cryptic. ( I hear they're making a new game there. And it's not too far of a drive 
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So, you'd prefer that he break the forum rules, talk about something that's not even remotely related to his job description, and by doing so, probably risk his job, for the sake of being perceived as a better employee. So, if he does that, and he gets fired, your upstanding employee is now gone and you're worse off than before.
That's a nice no-win scenario you've set up there.
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RIP Lighthouse.
I only skimmed this thread, but it reminded me why I missed the forums here.
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Id choose a roomful of these over your 9 foot long Australian spiders.
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Id choose a roomful of these over your 9 foot long Australian spiders.
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I agree... the half-baked red-neck americans are harmless
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Id choose a roomful of these over your 9 foot long Australian spiders.
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Why else do you think they're in that room? They went outside and saw some scary beasts.
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YOU LEAVE LUCAS OUT OF THIS!!!
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*packs up and moves to Japan*
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*packs up and moves to Japan*
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*buys mermie an Atlas*
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*packs up and moves to Japan*
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*buys mermie an Atlas*
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I am not moving to Atlas
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Not always.
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So how much of Positron's post did you read in that thread?
Enough to know it was a "pt 2"? and if so, Did you read the "Pt. 1" where he said "Blame me"?
You were going after BAB for soemthing he had no power over.
Not like Positron.
Not like Castle.
Or the programmers, or Castle's new helpers Synapse and Sunstorm.
They all had more power (and responsibility) over this.
It's like bugging the lunch lady to take responsibility for the hospital she works at when there was a breach of patient confidentiality.
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Actually, programmers and designers don't have any more pull over customer service than artists do. Programmers might be tasked to implement something for CS (such as a script) but they aren't often the driving force behind a customer service policy or change. Now, that doesn't mean this wasn't somehow a coders fault, or that Positron wasn't the driving force behind this. It certainly seems that way given the posts he's made, and there may be more responsibility there in this case than normal. But generally, programmers don't govern customer service. If a company is big enough, they have programmers specifically for the business side of the company that are separate from the game development.