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BaBs is an artist... you really think of all the Paragon employees he'd be the one to comment on the original topic of the thread with anything important? And additionally, if an official response WAS forthcoming, you expect it to happen in a Justice forum thread?
I'm a developer... if I go to a forum for a game I've worked on and talk about company policies I am at best, talking about stuff that is way outside my job description and none of my business, and at worst, risking my job by talking about such things. Even if said forum is full of the best and greatest people on the planet, I've got no business doing that sort of thing. And they've got no business expecting me to.
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I am afraid I have to agree with this. BABs is not in any place to take the initiative to comment on this issue in an unofficial manner in a specific justice forum thread; or, since I feel the following is very much the case:
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If BaBs were to even make a comment saying, "Hey, I can't comment on this until an official statement has come out," that'd be cool, but I'm pretty certain that a bunker mentality has made the head honchos decree that no one can comment on this until they have, and even acknowledging it is tantamount to treason.
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he might very well get into some form of trouble (possibly quite serious) for doing so. I wouldnt ask that of him, even though I too would like to see some acknowledgement of the mishandling of the situation. Thats unfair of me, hes not just on the dev team, he is, if I am not mistaken, a fellow Justice player. Manoa said it best:
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Additionally, I'd like to add that I don't see his post as intending to detract from the issue at hand, but to inject a little humor in an existing joke tangent. Such tangents are no different from any other Justice thread or poster actions and to view his post as some sort of slight is reading a bit much into things.
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And as a fellow Justicite, BABs has as much right to wander into a thread and throw mustard at someone as anyone else. Again, as much as so many of us want something this isnt the place and BABs isnt the person.
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It does tell you that at least *some* red names have read this thread.
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Im glad that one of those red names is reaching out to try and rekindle that Justice-goofyness-in-the-threads feel. If making a quick joke is all he can do, or wisely should do seeing as how he is an artist, then I am glad he did that.
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Lol i said to someone mine would be deleted as well.
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Ok, confused and exiting the conversation at this point. I don't understand how you resigning equates to NCSoft expecting certain behavior from you. But again, I don't know what happened in your case, and at this point, it doesn't really matter (to me) as we're drifting farther afield (in a sense) of the original topic.
As I stated way back at the beginning of this thread, there is a disturbing trend here, and rather than an apology, I hope to see improvement in several things in the near future... game wise, customer service wise, and developer wise. I also hope you get some closure to your particular situation, and if that resolution isn't satisfactory, I hope that at a minimum it improves their process for the future so that such things don't happen, or at least happen with less frequency.
I have stated what happened before the pulled the title to get me to stop posting instead i resigned. This will be my last post here as tomorrow morning my account is dead.
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*thread asplodes from too much cuteness*
For what its worth. I am glad BAB's posted here.
BAB's isnt going to be the red name that will comment on the situation at hand, its far from his job description and I wouldn't expect him too.
I am actually glad he posted though because honestly I miss seeing his name randomly appear for no real reason at all. BAB's has been oddly quiet as of late and its really too bad since even the goofy off topic red name posts were still some form of communication and in some ways more important than official notices or comments on issues. We expect replies from red names in regards to in game issues, we expect to hear reasons why certain decisions were made. When we get communication beyond that, thats a level of service that I have missed dearly. Castle occasionally pops off with some good non game related comments, positron on rare occasions, but BAB's was always fairly regular until several months ago.
I am glad to see BAB's pop in with something not game related, it doesn't happen nearly as often as it should.
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For what its worth. I am glad BAB's posted here.
BAB's isnt going to be the red name that will comment on the situation at hand, its far from his job description and I wouldn't expect him too.
I am actually glad he posted though because honestly I miss seeing his name randomly appear for no real reason at all. BAB's has been oddly quiet as of late and its really too bad since even the goofy off topic red name posts were still some form of communication and in some ways more important than official notices or comments on issues. We expect replies from red names in regards to in game issues, we expect to hear reasons why certain decisions were made. When we get communication beyond that, thats a level of service that I have missed dearly. Castle occasionally pops off with some good non game related comments, positron on rare occasions, but BAB's was always fairly regular until several months ago.
I am glad to see BAB's pop in with something not game related, it doesn't happen nearly as often as it should.
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For what its worth. I am glad BAB's posted here.
BAB's isnt going to be the red name that will comment on the situation at hand, its far from his job description and I wouldn't expect him too.
I am actually glad he posted though because honestly I miss seeing his name randomly appear for no real reason at all. BAB's has been oddly quiet as of late and its really too bad since even the goofy off topic red name posts were still some form of communication and in some ways more important than official notices or comments on issues. We expect replies from red names in regards to in game issues, we expect to hear reasons why certain decisions were made. When we get communication beyond that, thats a level of service that I have missed dearly. Castle occasionally pops off with some good non game related comments, positron on rare occasions, but BAB's was always fairly regular until several months ago.
I am glad to see BAB's pop in with something not game related, it doesn't happen nearly as often as it should.
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Yeah. They probably told all the red names to limit there posts cuz of all the hoopla. Thing I am afraid of is red names going back to normal little by little but people snapping and not letting the past go and does nothing in the end cept making the devs be quite and not allowed to do the random posts that make them part of there own community.
I mean could you imagine if Positron made a fun comedic comment someplace else and dozens of players ripping him a new one? The people above the red names would react at seeing that and tell them to not post at all... for all we know anyways.
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BaBs is probably muzzled from saying anything it about this until Posi has.
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I'm not going to comment on it for two reasons.
One, it's way outside of my department. I wasn't involved in the decisions and know absolutely nothing about what was done to who or why (outside of very broad generalities that everyone is already aware of).
Two, it's entirely a customer service issue. It's against the forum rules to discuss customer service issues here on the forums. And whether anyone wants to believe it or not, I'm just as beholden to the rules of these forums as the rest of you.
I was perusing this thread, saw reference to 'Man of La Mancha'--a play that my wife did props for in college--and pointed out that the Golden Helmet of Mambrino was actually a shaving basin.
I probably should have paid more attention to the original topic of the thread and the unintended attention that having a link to an OT post in the Dev Digest would bring to it, and for that I apologize.
Bab's ty, I wish others in your company could do just what you did there. Thank you very much.
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my account finally deactivated but i thought it was much to important to not post thanks for this gesture of respect. I wish whoever was in charge of this decision would see that honesty, respect and forthrightness bring respect and appreciation in turn. I think this really ment alot to some of us.
Me too!!
Thank you!
My other post from this morning seems to have fallen off somewhere......
Now if only other rednames could be as timely and forthright...
Kudos to you for being a straight shooter.
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BaBs is probably muzzled from saying anything it about this until Posi has.
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I'm not going to comment on it for two reasons.
One, it's way outside of my department. I wasn't involved in the decisions and know absolutely nothing about what was done to who or why (outside of very broad generalities that everyone is already aware of).
Two, it's entirely a customer service issue. It's against the forum rules to discuss customer service issues here on the forums. And whether anyone wants to believe it or not, I'm just as beholden to the rules of these forums as the rest of you.
I was perusing this thread, saw reference to 'Man of La Mancha'--a play that my wife did props for in college--and pointed out that the Golden Helmet of Mambrino was actually a shaving basin.
I probably should have paid more attention to the original topic of the thread and the unintended attention that having a link to an OT post in the Dev Digest would bring to it, and for that I apologize.
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First of all, "Man of La Mancha" would be a interesting play to do props for and its neat that your wife did that.
secondly, don't apologize for posting in this thread. Like I said, posting off topic in a thread does a lot to let us know that you guys still pay some kind of attention to the fact that we are here and still want to engage us on a level beyond just devs to players. It brings you in as a part of the community rather than seperate from the community and in my opinion, it makes it far more enjoyable to be here.
My post from this morning somewhat edited for.......... well... you can imagine why.
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Yeah. They probably told all the red names to limit there posts cuz of all the hoopla. Thing I am afraid of is red names going back to normal little by little but people snapping and not letting the past go and does nothing in the end cept making the devs be quite and not allowed to do the random posts that make them part of there own community.
I mean could you imagine if Positron made a fun comedic comment someplace else and dozens of players ripping him a new one? The people above the red names would react at seeing that and tell them to not post at all... for all we know anyways.
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I have chosen not to post on the situation in a long time, even though everytime I read something from someone that either a) Does not know the full story; b) Doesn't give a flying crap; or c) Just wants to chime in for their 2 cents because they think they are higherandmighterthanall, it makes me very angry, but I had held my tongue. Until now.
I WAS one of the ones affected wrongly via the level pact. Did I meow toons? You bet your happy butt I did, however those were not touched. I would have GLADLY taken my slap on the wrist if that were the case. I was cut off from the game 48 hours of that 72 hour ban without one single communication (except for the ones that *I* initiated) from anyone else. I was treated like a child and disregarded when posting for information on the situation. I was downright lied to by Customer Service the first time I called them before I got a supervisor on the phone. I have watched the moderators on this board use a rule and stretch it to it's limits on attempting to control the situation and communication regarding several incidents that have spun off from the original one. I have done my due diligence and worked behind the scenes instead of calling people out on the forums for an answer or apology. I've spent countless hours on the phone with Customer Service and such to resolve this issue. My latest phone call was Friday afternoon on 6/12/09 at 5(ish)pm EST, for 2 HOURS I was on the phone with the Department Head of Community Relations.
Did I get angry/upset/pissed off when I saw that BaBs had posted in this thread and in such a silly way? Yes and No
Yes because I think it's wrong that nothing has been said regarding things people are waiting for a comment on. No because I'm glad he feels like he could post here, but sorry that he cannot post what many of us are waiting on. Justice is a great place, which is why I am fighting my fight. I love this game, this community and *most* of the people in it. I've never carried about what 'faction' someone belongs to. Justice is a great mixing pot of people: raiders, pvpers, rp'ers, badgers, farmers, pl'ers, pug'ers, trolls and even griefers. You name it, Justice probably has it. I don't want people to go regardless of their reasons. I want Justice to stay the great and awesome place it is.
Regardless of how anyone feels what is expected of a redname or not, the simple fact is; they are the names and 'faces' of this game, this BUSINESS. So yes when something goes wrong, they are always going to be the ones up on the chopping block first. The simple fact is I've lost any and all respect for this company. Be it the 'rednames' or the corporate heads behind the scenes. I've lost my respect and faith. I've been told that they are 'listening' to us and myself. I hope they are also actually hearing and not just listening.
So in closing, I am not stupid, nor is anyone else on this board, regardless of their opinion, however it may differ from your own.
And in my new closing: I'm happy BaBs posted again, yet I feel no apology was necessary.
I wish people would stop being so close-minded!
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