Jack Emmert - 20 most influencial people in MMO's
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Angry_Citizen,
Posted on: 2009-06-01 22:20 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
I don't agree. They were obviously competent enough to 1. get elected and 2. not be impeached.
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Wow..........over a video game!.........Some of you people seriously need to get out more often and find yourselves a life. To compare a developer of a video game to those people..........wow.
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My stock response would be, "So are Jesus Christ (if you believe he existed), Gandhi, and Martin Luther King, Jr." You can argue putting whomever you want into that pantheon.
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Even if he never existed, Jesus Christ has been very influential.
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I have no idea who the other 19 dudes are.
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How do you play ANY MMO and not know the name "Richard Garriott"?
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They Tabula Rasa'd the memories of Tabula Rasa?
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Negaduck: I see you found the crumb. I knew you'd never notice the huge flag.
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I don't agree. They were obviously competent enough to 1. get elected and 2. not be impeached.
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You really do NOT want to go there.
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I don't agree. They were obviously competent enough to 1. get elected and 2. not be impeached.
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You really do NOT want to go there.
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I have no idea who the other 19 dudes are.
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How do you play ANY MMO and not know the name "Richard Garriott"?
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They Tabula Rasa'd the memories of Tabula Rasa?
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I still have the box... they can't take that away :snifflesob:
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It would seem that not everyone agrees he is the plague to end all plagues.
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I'm one of those people. He started City of Heroes
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Nitpick: Rick Dakan started City of Heroes.
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There's also that. Most of the pre-Beta articles and developers' diaries I've seen of City of Heroes dating back to 2000-2002 or thereabout all bear Rick's name. From what I've read of his writings, he seemed to be very passionate about the game in general and determined to give people a new and unique experience. I don't know one way or the other, but I suspect it was during Rick's time that the meaningful origins and AT-less, pick-your-powers-out-of-a-list build was being worked on which, while largely a good idea, ended up proving impractical for the game. I'm not sure where or why he left the game's development team, but I don't believe Jack was in charge of the game until at least 2002-2003 or something like that.
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I don't agree. They were obviously competent enough to 1. get elected and 2. not be impeached.
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In elections with an under-50% voter turnout rate and where the crushing majority of voters - in many elections, over 90% of the people who do vote - will vote based on party rather than actual appraisals of competence, it is very easy to get elected without being particularly competent.
Furthermore, it usually is not the candidate who is primarily responsible for his campaign, it is a campaign manager or other 'mastermind' - think Karl Rove.
On the subject of impeachment... presidents and other officials aren't impeached for incompetence, they're (supposed to be) impeached for high crimes and misdemeanors performed while in office. In reality, impeachment proceedings have been exceedingly rare and were only ever carried through for political reasons; Nixon (where it would have been justified on legal grounds) resigned prior to being impeached.
"Experience is the mother of good judgement. Bad judgement is the father of experience."
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Oh go censor someone else, you politically correct zealot. I liked Jack Emmert probably more than most people. He created a great and enduring game. And yes, when I say I'm not comparing him to Hitler or Stalin, it means I'm not comparing them.
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Touchy, touchy... Your reply makes it clear that your problem is not intent, it's simple ignorance of the English language. Your use of the word "censor" makes no sense. Nor does "zealot".
As for "compare", which is generally a pretty simple word to understand, I'll give you a little lesson. Golf has the letter 'g'. God also has the letter 'g'. I just made a comparison between "golf" and "god". I didn't say they were the same thing.
Likewise, you made a comparison between Emmert and Hitler/Stalin, noting that they share the attribute of "influential". Of course, picking those two examples out of the group of all possible influential persons is a strong indicator that you were trying to connote a deeper comparison. But you then weaseled out of that by saying you weren't making a comparison at all.
Seems better all around to just not make the comparison in the first place, but you did provide a few minutes of entertainment, poking fun of your grammar skills. So there's that.
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I don't agree. They were obviously competent enough to 1. get elected and 2. not be impeached.
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In elections with an under-50% voter turnout rate and where the crushing majority of voters - in many elections, over 90% of the people who do vote - will vote based on party rather than actual appraisals of competence, it is very easy to get elected without being particularly competent.
Furthermore, it usually is not the candidate who is primarily responsible for his campaign, it is a campaign manager or other 'mastermind' - think Karl Rove.
On the subject of impeachment... presidents and other officials aren't impeached for incompetence, they're (supposed to be) impeached for high crimes and misdemeanors performed while in office. In reality, impeachment proceedings have been exceedingly rare and were only ever carried through for political reasons; Nixon (where it would have been justified on legal grounds) resigned prior to being impeached.
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I'm not interested in debating politics, etc. blahblahblah. So, I'll restate my point; to be influential, a person must contain some competency.
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In elections with an under-50% voter turnout rate and where the crushing majority of voters - in many elections, over 90% of the people who do vote - will vote based on party rather than actual appraisals of competence, it is very easy to get elected without being particularly competent.
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That completely ignores the process of selection for party nomination. You can't just vote all Republican, for example, when everyone on the ballot is a Republican.
So, all the Republicans nominate one candidate or another, the democrats nominate another candidate, the 90% of the voting population gets split dead even, and the 10% of us Independent-minded folk make the real decision. Exactly as it should be.
Doom.
Yep.
This is really doom.
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I'm not interested in debating politics, etc. blahblahblah. So, I'll restate my point; to be influential, a person must contain some competency.
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And I'll restate my disagreement - a lot of influential people are influential because of their incompetence (ie, consistent making of many mistakes, or making a few very large mistakes). That they got the chance to make those mistakes based on prior competence is possibly, but not necessarily true, and what's more doesn't matter - just that their actual influence came from screwups rather than successes.
Put very briefly - correlation is not causation, and overly broad generalizations are usually false.
"Experience is the mother of good judgement. Bad judgement is the father of experience."
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That completely ignores the process of selection for party nomination. You can't just vote all Republican, for example, when everyone on the ballot is a Republican.
So, all the Republicans nominate one candidate or another, the democrats nominate another candidate, the 90% of the voting population gets split dead even, and the 10% of us Independent-minded folk make the real decision. Exactly as it should be.
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I fail to see where candidate competence has a bearing on party nominations, at least at the national level, given how parties seem to nominate candidates based on internal politics and who they think can win the election, or in some cases on whose career is in its twilight or is expendable when they expect to lose the election, rather than who they think will be best for the job after the election.
"Experience is the mother of good judgement. Bad judgement is the father of experience."
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I have no idea who the other 19 dudes are.
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you need to play more than one game 
This thread has turned in to epic lulz, but I had a good feeling it would
The way I see it:
Jack has done more in his professional life than I have (and likely all of you, or feel free to link some of the top 20 lists you appear on in your profession). I can hate on him, just as many people hate on pro athletes, or movie stars. Or I can use him as motivation to achieve more with my life.
Whether he is famous or infamous comes down to perspective in this case. Either way he can affect change a lot more than I can.
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Or I can use him as motivation to achieve more with my life.
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The only motivation he's qualified to provide is inspiration to not be a lying sack.
Oh, and "how to draw a corporate paycheck for working on your own project", I guess. Which is impressive, on a fairly debased level.
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And I'll restate my disagreement - a lot of influential people are influential because of their incompetence (ie, consistent making of many mistakes, or making a few very large mistakes). That they got the chance to make those mistakes based on prior competence is possibly, but not necessarily true, and what's more doesn't matter - just that their actual influence came from screwups rather than successes.
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Here you make broad generalizations about "alot of influential people" and then you state this...
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overly broad generalizations are usually false.
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So...
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As for "compare", which is generally a pretty simple word to understand, I'll give you a little lesson. Golf has the letter 'g'. God also has the letter 'g'. I just made a comparison between "golf" and "god". I didn't say they were the same thing.
Likewise, you made a comparison between Emmert and Hitler/Stalin, noting that they share the attribute of "influential". Of course, picking those two examples out of the group of all possible influential persons is a strong indicator that you were trying to connote a deeper comparison. But you then weaseled out of that by saying you weren't making a comparison at all.
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How dare you compare God to Hitler! 
This is pretty much why I consider Statesman to be a traitor.
Not only has "Statesman" (Jack) turned his back on CoX, it was in an effort to make big bucks with Marvel Online (which no matter how good or bad it was would have been competition for CoX), then he goes on to massacre the great gaming system that was the great and infamous Champions the PRG by using the remains of Marvel Online for the mechanics (the Champions mechanics both for powers and combat would have held up in a computer environment as they are all mathematically based), then stamping on the Champions name on the travesty, and finally sticking in the (laughable) "signature characters" (we always considered them to be examples of how not to make characters - especially Foxbat!), but the studio he is part of begins bashing CoX in order to hype Champions Online.
I'm not impressed.
Is he the plague of plagues? No. He brought us CoX and that's a great thing. It's just selling out CoX, leaving it behind, and then trying to replace it.
Statesman's a traitor alright. Don't let that star-spangled costume fool you.
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The only motivation he's qualified to provide is inspiration to not be a lying sack.
Oh, and "how to draw a corporate paycheck for working on your own project", I guess. Which is impressive, on a fairly debased level.
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That pretty much sums it up for me.
We can all agree that this game may not have existed without him...but I can also say that this game would probably be very much farther along if he WASN'T there after it was completed.
He created something, then tried to stifle it, then left it and created another something supposedly doing all those things that he swore before were horrible for the very first thing he created. Only now they are all great and progressive ideas that this genre absolutely needs. Bravo!
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How dare you compare God to Hitler!
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Who are three people who have never been in my kitchen?
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I don't agree. They were obviously competent enough to 1. get elected and 2. not be impeached.
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lol, you think that requires competence?
LMAO!
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I don't agree. They were obviously competent enough to 1. get elected and 2. not be impeached.
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lol, you think that requires competence?
LMAO!
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lol, you think that doesn't require competence?
LMAO!
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It would seem that not everyone agrees he is the plague to end all plagues.
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you don't have to be competent to be influential.
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Uh, yes you do.
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Incompetent people (or in other cases, people with the wrong competencies) are often influential because of their incompetence. Several presidential administrations in US history (including recent history) serve up numerous examples.
"Experience is the mother of good judgement. Bad judgement is the father of experience."