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Alternate Hamidon Strategy?

Angry_Citizen

By Angry_Citizen,
Posted on: 2009-06-01 21:02 in CoH and CoV General Discussions

 

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Are Hamidon's Mitos immune to Repel?

If not, I wonder if anyone has tried getting 3 or 4 high level FF characters together with Force Bubble and getting them to force all the Mitos AWAY from the center? Then you could attack the Hamidon in peace without interference from the Mitos.... then when the Hami "blooms" again.... the FFers can do it again and push the next wave of Mitos completely out of the range of Hami. Which means that the whole raid can be over FAST, because you don't have to spend the time taking down all the Mitos, just keep rezzing the FFers. Especially considering that the Mitos don't seem to move.

Is this completely insane, or is is just insane enough to work? Has anyone ever tried it yet?

 

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Of course they're immune to Repel. You don't think someone's tried this yet?

Doom.

Yep.

This is really doom.

 

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Thus the question AT THE BEGINNING.

 

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Looking at the data that I could find more closely, it looks like all the Mitos have 100 resistence to repel. Which says to me that if we can get 11 Force Fielders together, they can overwhelm the repel resistence of the Mitos....


Any thoughts on this, or am I reading this data wrong, as I am prone to doing?

 

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Seeing this thread was SUCH a refreshing change compared to the average caliber of threads lately.

I wish I had a FF-er at the appropriate level--I would totally help you out on this one!

 

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While an interesting idea I don't see it working out that well.

<ul type="square">[*]Getting 11 of anything to a Hami raid would be a chore, and would eat up over a 5th of your raid force.[*]You'd still need Taunters to keep Hamidon and his blasters busy during the big move.[*]You would need EoE and healing to keep the bubblers alive while pushing the Antibodies, and End buffs for pushing the Electrolytes.[*]You would need to push them all out of line of sight, those things have stupidly long range.[*]The Abyss has very few spots you could push these. You might run out and have to cluster them together increasing the odds someone dies and busts the push.[*]It won't be a speedy process.[*]Even if I'm wrong and it works spectacularly, the single power tactic is exactly the sort of thing that the Devs were trying to avoid with the revamp. It would be bound to be fixed as soon as reasonable.[/list]That said, I wouldn't mind helping out on Test experimenting with the idea. It would be worth it just for the laughs, even though I don't have a FF.

 

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I have a level 47 FF/NRG ... never finished him the last 3 levels, switched servers before he was done. Lemme know if you are going to try this though.

 

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I have a lvl 50 Grav/FF already on test that could easily respec into Force Bubble to help out... this sounds like a decidedly odd method of Hami success. If this ever gets off the ground, PK, give me a holler: @Thirty7


 

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Come to Virtue and announce your plans here. We're up for anything.

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Which means that the whole raid can be over FAST

[/ QUOTE ]beat 9 minutes or I'm not interested

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Holy friggin hell! That is bloody impressive! Though I'm not surprised to see Sandolphan running the show. Next time Victory whines about raid times, I'm linking that video. I knew under an hour times would come soon enough, but under 10 minutes? Dayum!

 

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Looking at the data that I could find more closely, it looks like all the Mitos have 100 resistence to repel. Which says to me that if we can get 11 Force Fielders together, they can overwhelm the repel resistence of the Mitos....


Any thoughts on this, or am I reading this data wrong, as I am prone to doing?

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Like Knockback, Repel does not stack to overcome protection. Get your eleven Force Fielders together. If for nothing else, I'm sure it'll be a nice test of everyone's graphics cards.

Doom.

Yep.

This is really doom.

 

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Which means that the whole raid can be over FAST

[/ QUOTE ]beat 9 minutes or I'm not interested

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Holy friggin hell! That is bloody impressive! Though I'm not surprised to see Sandolphan running the show. Next time Victory whines about raid times, I'm linking that video. I knew under an hour times would come soon enough, but under 10 minutes? Dayum!

[/ QUOTE ]To be fair, it required dozens of people with 3 nukes and a plethora of temporary pets each, but it's still friggin' cool

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Which means that the whole raid can be over FAST

[/ QUOTE ]beat 9 minutes or I'm not interested

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Holy friggin hell! That is bloody impressive! Though I'm not surprised to see Sandolphan running the show. Next time Victory whines about raid times, I'm linking that video. I knew under an hour times would come soon enough, but under 10 minutes? Dayum!

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Can you explain this strategy? Do the nukes weaken hami that much?

 

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Looking at the data that I could find more closely, it looks like all the Mitos have 100 resistence to repel. Which says to me that if we can get 11 Force Fielders together, they can overwhelm the repel resistence of the Mitos....


Any thoughts on this, or am I reading this data wrong, as I am prone to doing?

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Like Knockback, Repel does not stack to overcome protection. Get your eleven Force Fielders together. If for nothing else, I'm sure it'll be a nice test of everyone's graphics cards.

[/ QUOTE ]Except KB can stack (though you need to hit on the same server tick), and Repel has a duration. Are you sure about your assessment of Repel?

http://www.fimfiction.net/story/36641/My-Little-Exalt

 

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Can you explain this strategy? Do the nukes weaken hami that much?

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When you have THAT many nukes, yes! :P

I'd defer to Sandolphan for the exact strategy, but it was requested that everyone have all 3 Warburg Nukes. Not everyone did, but there was at least 25 people that did have all 3 (if I remember correctly.)

We dropped nukes in stages, mainly to keep from hitting the respawn level of the Mitos.

But, once the first bloom was down, we just barreled through. We waited for each step to drop remaining nukes. Once the call came out for all pets (Shivans, Vanguard Heavies, and anything else anyone had) Hami was down in no time.

One of the coolest raids I've been a part of. I'd like to see another one, but it took a lot of planning, thanks to Sandolphan and EVERYONE that stepped up to lead the teams.

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Definately some of the most fun I've had raiding. A few of my cogs were out there brawling Hamidon before their untimely demise.

With an EoE even the massive blooms weren't really enough of a deterant. Hamidon can't be debuffed too significantly from what I recall, but coupled with the bio nukes it made a significant difference.

The Paladin
Steel Canyon, Virtue
Exalted

@Paladin

 

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Can you explain this strategy? Do the nukes weaken hami that much?

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When you have THAT many nukes, yes! :P

I'd defer to Sandolphan for the exact strategy, but it was requested that everyone have all 3 Warburg Nukes. Not everyone did, but there was at least 25 people that did have all 3 (if I remember correctly.)

We dropped nukes in stages, mainly to keep from hitting the respawn level of the Mitos.

But, once the first bloom was down, we just barreled through. We waited for each step to drop remaining nukes. Once the call came out for all pets (Shivans, Vanguard Heavies, and anything else anyone had) Hami was down in no time.

One of the coolest raids I've been a part of. I'd like to see another one, but it took a lot of planning, thanks to Sandolphan and EVERYONE that stepped up to lead the teams.

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ConFlict have led similar (under 10 minutes) raid on Justice, red side, few months ago. The preparation took a lot of time and effort. Whole week before raid, ConFlict and his friends were helping other players obtain nukes and shivans, were leading multiple rikti ship raids to help with Vanguard merits for HVASes... But raid itself was tremendous fun and success.

2-3 months ago Justice started to run non-retreat raids (Blue side), it allowed to cut down raid time from 40-45 minutes on average to 25-30 minutes.

 

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Goramit, those are good times. Victory is still doing 5 hour raids on the rare occasions I actually get enough people together to run one. I think we've had all of 4 successful raids since I9, and only 5 more failed attempts. (Not counting the two recently called due to pitiful turnout.)

 

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Which means that the whole raid can be over FAST

[/ QUOTE ]beat 9 minutes or I'm not interested

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Holy friggin hell! That is bloody impressive! Though I'm not surprised to see Sandolphan running the show. Next time Victory whines about raid times, I'm linking that video. I knew under an hour times would come soon enough, but under 10 minutes? Dayum!

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Can you explain this strategy? Do the nukes weaken hami that much?

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The chemical nukes do weaken hami a fair amount when stacked 25 deep. But more important was the stacked bionukes, buffing the players to ridiculous levels.

The tankers moved back to where the Yellow mitos spawn, to taunt them when they respawn. And while the pets clearly helped with damage, a big part of the their purpose was distraction, mitos attacking them instead of the players.

It was a lot of fun. But given the prep time necessary, the requirement of at least 7 tankers (one for each of the yellow positions, one for hami), and more, it's not the most efficient way to take him down.

But it really was a lot of fun.

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The total time preping for a Hami Nuke Raid is way more than the time of a normal raid, but its no less awesome.

We did one on Champion... borked it badly and had to clear a respawn, but we had enough leftovers to just take hami down through the last 2 blooms.

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You can count me in for Virtue or Test, I've a 50 Grav/FF I could do a dual-build on to take Force Bubble for this.

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Can you explain this strategy? Do the nukes weaken hami that much?

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When you have THAT many nukes, yes! :P

I'd defer to Sandolphan for the exact strategy, but it was requested that everyone have all 3 Warburg Nukes. Not everyone did, but there was at least 25 people that did have all 3 (if I remember correctly.)

We dropped nukes in stages, mainly to keep from hitting the respawn level of the Mitos.

But, once the first bloom was down, we just barreled through. We waited for each step to drop remaining nukes. Once the call came out for all pets (Shivans, Vanguard Heavies, and anything else anyone had) Hami was down in no time.

One of the coolest raids I've been a part of. I'd like to see another one, but it took a lot of planning, thanks to Sandolphan and EVERYONE that stepped up to lead the teams.

[/ QUOTE ]

ConFlict have led similar (under 10 minutes) raid on Justice, red side, few months ago. The preparation took a lot of time and effort. Whole week before raid, ConFlict and his friends were helping other players obtain nukes and shivans, were leading multiple rikti ship raids to help with Vanguard merits for HVASes... But raid itself was tremendous fun and success.

2-3 months ago Justice started to run non-retreat raids (Blue side), it allowed to cut down raid time from 40-45 minutes on average to 25-30 minutes.

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The hidden cost is in time spend pre-planning and prepping everyone up for the raid.

So really, that Hamidon raid took a week or so. I mean it's an awesome trick and all (I was there to witness it!) but it's kinda like saying it only took you a few minutes to make a cake because that's how long it took you to open the door to the oven and take the (already finished baking) cake out and serve it.