People in PvP...Get with the program
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21stTime,
Posted on: 2009-05-29 06:54 in Everything about PvP
The ability to use an entire zone to duel someone is what makes this game so appealing. Dueling in a small confined area is not my idea of fun.
Throw in multiple opponents, and it becomes interesting.
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What I find funny is when I attack someone running through a zone 1v1, kill them, and then they angrily challenge me to a duel. It's like dude, wtf do you think just happened? When one person kills one other person, isn't that a duel?
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Hilarious 'cus it's so true.
...also a good post by Nerian.
Hook killed Rufio because of travel suppression.
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That's what I was thinking, but another meaning is Quit F*** Talking. Just curious which he meant towards me. 
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ment quoted for truth. i wouldnt get that rude.
Listening to Budweiser and Elf-Stalker makes me realize pvp can be a bad thing, then i see you guys enjoying the zone, challenges, and teaming while being sensible and not rude makes me realize that there is hope for pvp. You guys make it sound like fun and that's what the game needs, is fun
My main is a Dark Defender and Phase Shift is a lifesaver. Being constantly ambushed by several stalkers does not bother me, just the rudeness directed at me. I don't see why people have to be mean to a lone defender? Your going to win with a group, but you don't need to be mean about it. Later your going to want to team with me, so why should i be nice to mean people? Kill me if you can, just dont be so damn insulting for hours, otherwise don't expect me to be nice afterwards, it's just common sense (a rare commodity).
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Hook killed Rufio because of travel suppression.
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Lawl, I still love that movie. Gold star for you *
Former King of PWNZ
Franziska Von Karma says you will listen to every word I say.
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I love this thread.
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lol..yeah my best was on my crappy spines sr with sos. A brute got tired of me winning and challenged me to an arena duel. I never duel but. meh okay. I started kiting the brute with impale and we quit out.
"what are you doing?"
'If your not going to duel then I am going to leave"
"I was dueling"
"You must be new to pvp, your not supposed to jump around like that in a duel.."
"is there anything else I should know?"
"no inspirations"
"so just so I understand, I am not supposed to move, or use inspirations..is there anything else I can't do to make sure you win?"
"what do you mean?"
"I am supposed to stand there and let you build fury?"
"Your a scrapper, you should stand and fight...you really don't know how to pvp do you?"
"no I guess not, CYA!"
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Hilarious. Hearing melee fightclubbers teach folks that duels are meant to be fought standing toe-to-toe with no movement really never gets old.
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(Ravens)i go hours with out dying. Wrecked never, if i die i had a lapse in concentration or the dreaded lb heavy made his mark. First in foremost i ain't rushing head first into a trap
.And what stalker let's themselves get continually ganked?
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<Raises Hand> I take this to mean that you're one fo the stalkers who simply won't attack if there's a chance you might die. That can certainly make for some boring pvp on both sides. Personally, I don't care about death, and I die quite frequently on my stalker
but I always attack the trap in hopes of scoring a kill, even if death is a certainty and a kill unlikely. I think it's far more fun to attack and die than to sit around not attacking because I'm scared of dying.
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Edit: also i have seen guy get kills with 0 AS's, he made me a believer, the guy he fought kept caltrops out and he still won. If you think I'm just pumping him.
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Amazing! You saw a stalker beat someone in fightclub
well, you've made a believer out of me! Fact is, fightclub fights are a joke.
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fiteklubbing is nothing more than button mashing. There really is no skill involved - if the other person's got a better build, they'll win.
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Truth! The only reason to deny this truth is to boost your own ego.
[/ QUOTE ]Well your wrong in assuming i dont take chances and just stand around blah blah, i attack entire groups, get kills and get out and live to talk about it. Giving creds must be a mutha for some, why can't i just know what the hell I'm doing? Why i just can't have learned how to exist in the new pvp enviourment as lol as it is? Why i just can't be a little better than alot of the new comers that now pvp? Why i can't just be a vet that pvp's 99% of my game time ongoing 6-8 hours a day going on 3 years now? Hell why i can't just be lucky? Why i can't just team alot, and tend to play with skilled groups?
Which ever of those variables exist for me, it is what it is, also i'm not their for anyones amusement but my own. So if one day i do decide to lay back in the cut so be it if it's fun for me. :P
Also beating a scrapper or tank fight club style with no AS is a tuff task, your going against the grain on so many levels. I can't do it yet, sure ppl say fight club is lol and it is, but so is pvp period and we all obviously do it. Whether you know it or not, the jokes on us everytime we log on for not having the strength to quit or stay gone in my case for this pvp nonsense. I just keep thinking one day they'll come around and make this right.
The funny thing is, even though you seem like one of the whiners that got the changes made in the first place, you're probably still bad..------Macskull on Crop_of_shaolin
http://ravens-wins.mybrute.com
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Hook killed Rufio because of travel suppression.
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I ROFLMAOed and spit out my drink on the keyboard when I read this. I dont think the joke had a chance to sink in all the way yet. Funny stuff.
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Well your wrong in assuming i dont take chances...Why i just can't have learned ...Why i just can't be
.Why i can't just be
.Hell why i can't just be
.Why i can't just team...
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Well, hopefully you are better at pvp than you are at the English language...
You like to brag quite a bit about how good you are. That's understandable. It's a game that you play 8 hours a day, so one would hope that you're relatively good. However, you should understand that staying alive on a stalker is not a huge accomplishment, especially since you get to pick your battles and can easily avoid those that would likely result in death.
You could give just about anyone a stealth-capped stalker with phase shift (and 60 seconds of instructions), and he could survive without dying for hours on end while scoring kills.
Brag about it if it makes you feel good, but it doesn't demonstrate any degree of skill.
Never mind. You're probably the best player in the game at this point. Good luck in fightclub! You're rise to the top is inevitable.
Hay, hay, hay now...don't get on that rant. I would like to see you give someone a level 50 stalker and one minute worth of instructions and see them not die for hours. Once you're out of hide it ain't easy to live in a PvP zone. EVERYONE is gunning for you and with the changes to def. in i14 you get hit more often than not. They also changed phase so if it bothers you that much..phase back and kill em. I will agree that it's nice to pick your fights and it's also nice not to get ganked by NPC's in the zone, but people can still see you even if you are stealth capped. Any scrapper running tactics and Focus Acc can see you with a Clear Mind or hell just a tier one yellow insp. So lets not go throwing stones in glass houses hmmmm.
Sure the guy bragging about how great he is maybe going a bit over board, but don't put us all in that easy mode boat. Especially us Ninja Blade Stalkers...thanks 
Learn About The Empyrean Mandate
Schatten-Schlag (LvL 50 Nin/Nin Stalker)
Crocell (LvL 50 Thug/Poision MM)
Victor Smart (LvL 50 Rad/Psy Def)
The Masked Mayhem (LvL 45 Fire/Fire Blaster)
I can guarantee you if someone gave me a stalker and 60 seconds worth of instructions that I wouldn't die in several hours of gameplay.
Being a stalker is easy mode PvP, no ifs ands or buts about it. Being a good stalker takes a little skill, but less than being a good blaster or dominator. Being a great stalker is very difficult. But anybody can PvP with a stalker and get kills.
I've seen it mentioned that defense sets are trash, now, but I don't think that's true.
I have accuracy bonuses via sets and I still have to wait for streak breaker sometimes. I can see others with SOs havign greater difficulty.
I am aware there are people with focused accuracy and accuracy from IOs who hit defense based characters with greater frequency, but I don't think this is a shortcoming of defense sets.
I think focused accuracy may be causing the bar to be raised far too high and if it wasn't as powerful in PvP as it is in PvE then elusivity and all these convoluted systems like it wouldn't need to exist.
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I would like to see you give someone a level 50 stalker and one minute worth of instructions and see them not die for hours
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Advice: Keep Hide+Stealth running and nobody can see you if you stay out of melee range, so keep your distance by jumping around until you see someone that you can kill with one shot. Make sure you have phase shift available before you attack. Attack with BU + your strongest attack and then phase immediately as you run away. When you're in the clear (hidden), drop phase and wait for it to recharge before attacking again. As you get better, try using BU + Assassin Strike for your one-shots before phasing and/or unload more than one attack before you flee.
By following the above advice, you will be virtually unbeatable, and should be able to "fight" for hours on end with very few (or zero) deaths. Any nub off the street can do that. How long did it take to read that advice? Hopefully, less than 60 seconds
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I would like to see you give someone a level 50 stalker and one minute worth of instructions and see them not die for hours
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Advice: Keep Hide+Stealth running and nobody can see you if you stay out of melee range, so keep your distance by jumping around until you see someone that you can kill with one shot.
Make sure you have phase shift available before you attack. Attack with BU + your strongest attack and then phase immediately as you run away. When you're in the clear (hidden), drop phase and wait for it to recharge before attacking again. As you get better, try using BU + Assassin Strike for your one-shots before phasing and/or unload more than one attack before you flee.
By following the above advice, you will be virtually unbeatable, and should be able to "fight" for hours on end with very few (or zero) deaths. Any nub off the street can do that. How long did it take to read that advice? Hopefully, less than 60 seconds
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7.1 seconds
Infinity and Victory mostly
dUmb, etc.
lolz PvP anymore, Market PvP for fun and profit
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I would like to see you give someone a level 50 stalker and one minute worth of instructions and see them not die for hours
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Advice: Keep Hide+Stealth running and nobody can see you if you stay out of melee range, so keep your distance by jumping around until you see someone that you can kill with one shot. Make sure you have phase shift available before you attack. Attack with BU + your strongest attack and then phase immediately as you run away. When you're in the clear (hidden), drop phase and wait for it to recharge before attacking again. As you get better, try using BU + Assassin Strike for your one-shots before phasing and/or unload more than one attack before you flee.
By following the above advice, you will be virtually unbeatable, and should be able to "fight" for hours on end with very few (or zero) deaths. Any nub off the street can do that. How long did it take to read that advice? Hopefully, less than 60 seconds
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Ya, you could run around and not die. Sure you could not come out of hide..but you're not going to kill a damn thing. That is just pointless. Also the best attack chain , imo, would be Patron Hold (Soul Storm), build up, Placate, AS, then your strongest attack. Even you won't always kill the person. This is with a 50% Damage bonus without build up. It used to be way easier. I also personally use Shadow Meld instead of Phase.
Stalkers are great for beginners to learn on, and Dom's and Blasters are a lot harder to play as well as Defenders. But if you are going to be active and want to be "GOOD" it takes more skill than "LOL you can't see me" to be a stalker.
So let's put our skills to use and pick on Master Minds hmmm? lol jk 
Learn About The Empyrean Mandate
Schatten-Schlag (LvL 50 Nin/Nin Stalker)
Crocell (LvL 50 Thug/Poision MM)
Victor Smart (LvL 50 Rad/Psy Def)
The Masked Mayhem (LvL 45 Fire/Fire Blaster)
im so waiting for virtual reality pvp, if u die in game u die in real life, that way we can weed out the losers.
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im so waiting for virtual reality pvp, if u die in game u die in real life, that way we can weed out the losers.
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+1 for that post
Learn About The Empyrean Mandate
Schatten-Schlag (LvL 50 Nin/Nin Stalker)
Crocell (LvL 50 Thug/Poision MM)
Victor Smart (LvL 50 Rad/Psy Def)
The Masked Mayhem (LvL 45 Fire/Fire Blaster)
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I would like to see you give someone a level 50 stalker and one minute worth of instructions and see them not die for hours
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Advice: Keep Hide+Stealth running and nobody can see you if you stay out of melee range, so keep your distance by jumping around until you see someone that you can kill with one shot. Make sure you have phase shift available before you attack. Attack with BU + your strongest attack and then phase immediately as you run away. When you're in the clear (hidden), drop phase and wait for it to recharge before attacking again. As you get better, try using BU + Assassin Strike for your one-shots before phasing and/or unload more than one attack before you flee.
By following the above advice, you will be virtually unbeatable, and should be able to "fight" for hours on end with very few (or zero) deaths. Any nub off the street can do that. How long did it take to read that advice? Hopefully, less than 60 seconds
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Ya, you could run around and not die. Sure you could not come out of hide..but you're not going to kill a damn thing. That is just pointless. Also the best attack chain , imo, would be Patron Hold (Soul Storm), build up, Placate, AS, then your strongest attack. Even you won't always kill the person. This is with a 50% Damage bonus without build up. It used to be way easier. I also personally use Shadow Meld instead of Phase.
Stalkers are great for beginners to learn on, and Dom's and Blasters are a lot harder to play as well as Defenders. But if you are going to be active and want to be "GOOD" it takes more skill than "LOL you can't see me" to be a stalker.
So let's put our skills to use and pick on Master Minds hmmm? lol jk
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I have never played a stalker before, but here is how I see any stalker getting kills.
Buildup
AS
Heavy melee attack
Trow Fishy
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im so waiting for virtual reality pvp, if u die in game u die in real life, that way we can weed out the losers.
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Can't wait to kill you in a game of Battletoads, then.
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Well your wrong in assuming i dont take chances...Why i just can't have learned ...Why i just can't be
.Why i can't just be
.Hell why i can't just be
.Why i can't just team...
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Well, hopefully you are better at pvp than you are at the English language...
You like to brag quite a bit about how good you are. That's understandable. It's a game that you play 8 hours a day, so one would hope that you're relatively good. However, you should understand that staying alive on a stalker is not a huge accomplishment, especially since you get to pick your battles and can easily avoid those that would likely result in death.
You could give just about anyone a stealth-capped stalker with phase shift (and 60 seconds of instructions), and he could survive without dying for hours on end while scoring kills.
Brag about it if it makes you feel good, but it doesn't demonstrate any degree of skill.
Never mind. You're probably the best player in the game at this point. Good luck in fightclub! You're rise to the top is inevitable.
[/ QUOTE ]You just proved my original point, in your lust for good pvp you decided to forum pvp me instead. Unfortunately you don't get any rep or IO's for defeating me here. And I'm sorry English is not my first and or native language so from time to time i slip or get lazy.. oh well it happens? But in your attempt to teach me the said English language, perhaps you could have used your obvious mental prowess to detect the difference between someone bragging and someone just being defensive. Had i opened my statements IE. I can do this, i can do that.
That would be one thing, but in fact i was just responding to a statement directed at me, so anything i say at that point would and should be interpreted as one defending him or herself and or correcting a statement that had error in it, which yours did.
But enough of this, everything we discuss here is purely subjective, as everyone has an opinion, so their is in fact no right or wrong in this matter.
On topic, bottom line you can't just pick up a stalker and be good, you can however pick it and every other toon on this game and get kills. How hard is it to chase someone down on a blaster and shoot powers at them until they die?
And as far as fight club, their really is no such thing, it's just a made up word someone thought of for two people fighting in a zone, that are to lazy to go to the arena. It's the same fight, just conducted in a zone, the only difference some people impose their own set of rules IE no inspirations and such. But to be honest most duels in the arena i have participated in the other guy always ask for the parameters of the fight before hand IE do you want us to use inspirations and so forth. Now as far as standing their fighting in one spot this is also a myth about this nonexistent fight club.
It just happens to be the only real way any two melee can really kill each other, with out long drawn out fights that possibly and inevitably will always most certainly end in a stalemate. Which alienates a already limited possibility of fighting combination's we have enough limited chooses why limit them further?
But I'm done you can have this one....
"Ravens takes an inordinate amount of forum pvp damage and dies"
"Ravens is defeated by the forum lord/english teacher PvPleaseHelpme"
"Ravens drops pvp forum goodies for the kids"
The funny thing is, even though you seem like one of the whiners that got the changes made in the first place, you're probably still bad..------Macskull on Crop_of_shaolin
http://ravens-wins.mybrute.com
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I would like to see you give someone a level 50 stalker and one minute worth of instructions and see them not die for hours
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Advice: Keep Hide+Stealth running and nobody can see you if you stay out of melee range, so keep your distance by jumping around until you see someone that you can kill with one shot. Make sure you have phase shift available before you attack. Attack with BU + your strongest attack and then phase immediately as you run away. When you're in the clear (hidden), drop phase and wait for it to recharge before attacking again. As you get better, try using BU + Assassin Strike for your one-shots before phasing and/or unload more than one attack before you flee.
By following the above advice, you will be virtually unbeatable, and should be able to "fight" for hours on end with very few (or zero) deaths. Any nub off the street can do that. How long did it take to read that advice? Hopefully, less than 60 seconds
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Ya, you could run around and not die. Sure you could not come out of hide..but you're not going to kill a damn thing. That is just pointless. Also the best attack chain , imo, would be Patron Hold (Soul Storm), build up, Placate, AS, then your strongest attack. Even you won't always kill the person. This is with a 50% Damage bonus without build up. It used to be way easier. I also personally use Shadow Meld instead of Phase.
Stalkers are great for beginners to learn on, and Dom's and Blasters are a lot harder to play as well as Defenders. But if you are going to be active and want to be "GOOD" it takes more skill than "LOL you can't see me" to be a stalker.
So let's put our skills to use and pick on Master Minds hmmm? lol jk
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I have never played a stalker before, but here is how I see any stalker getting kills.
Buildup
AS
Heavy melee attack
Trow Fishy
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Not all of us run the Mako pool. And if you think that is going to kill a WP or a Regen HA! And what "Good" pvper as you say is going to stand there long enough to get AS'ed then hit again? Even if they do with the new +Res to squishes in PvP it won't "ALWAYS" kill them. Unless he is being attacked by others..and then we are in a whole different conversation about Team and Zone pvp. Anways, you can bash stalkers that's fine. It's easy mode..for nubz and you Lulz at them all. But because you have NEVER PLAYED ONE....you really have no idea...
Learn About The Empyrean Mandate
Schatten-Schlag (LvL 50 Nin/Nin Stalker)
Crocell (LvL 50 Thug/Poision MM)
Victor Smart (LvL 50 Rad/Psy Def)
The Masked Mayhem (LvL 45 Fire/Fire Blaster)
Stalkers are "easy mode" in that it's very easy to choose when and who to attack with little fear of being attacked first. The main advantage to having lots of stealth is being able to pick your fights relatively safely. While getting off an AS with the new travel suppression rules is easier than it was in I12, actually getting a kill on a full HP target is much more difficult due to DR, base resistances, and the nerfing of AS's damage scale (think it went from 6x to 2x). At least AS does more damage in I14 than it did in I13 thanks to the crit portion no longer being resisted.
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Stalkers are "easy mode" in that it's very easy to choose when and who to attack with little fear of being attacked first. The main advantage to having lots of stealth is being able to pick your fights relatively safely. While getting off an AS with the new travel suppression rules is easier than it was in I12, actually getting a kill on a full HP target is much more difficult due to DR, base resistances, and the nerfing of AS's damage scale (think it went from 6x to 2x). At least AS does more damage in I14 than it did in I13 thanks to the crit portion no longer being resisted.
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Alot of people confuse what we have now, with i10 i11 stalkers, where AS still had the 6x scaler and ET had like a 1sec activation. So the majority just rolled a EM/?? and just went to town. It was literally feeding grounds in the zones, now you realistically need multiple stalkers to do the job of one. With all the spiking going on, sometimes playing in complete stealth is a relaxing thing.
As soon as you exit with anything else, and are seen let the spiking begin. That's why at any given time you'll see multiple people just resting in the base or near their drones to avoid being jumped on. Super speeding and jumping around for hours will eventually wear your hands out and make you just want to take five.
The funny thing is, even though you seem like one of the whiners that got the changes made in the first place, you're probably still bad..------Macskull on Crop_of_shaolin
http://ravens-wins.mybrute.com
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Unfortunatley many of those new people have no idea what PvP is.
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They know, believe me. They know.
What I find funny is when I attack someone running through a zone 1v1, kill them, and then they angrily challenge me to a duel. It's like dude, wtf do you think just happened? When one person kills one other person, isn't that a duel?