People in PvP...Get with the program

Sometimes I just stand there to drw them out with hand on hibernate, phase, or hoarfrost and then let my team wail on them. Lol. Fun times.

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Im one of the new people in PVP, only a couple months into it off and on. I have to admit, Im normally a PVE player but Im getting more and more into PVP. I have my wins.. my losses... my gripes.

I honestly believe a few powers should not be selectable period. You go to a PVP zone for 3 reason.. to win, die, or run. Not to stand there and hybernate while others beat on you. Not to go invis and 1 dmg hit takes 3/4 of your life. Not to attack someone and when they start getting the upper hand on you, you phase out like a punk.

Powers like these I believe shouldnt be in PVP at all. Im a scrapper at heart and I think its sad when I go to take out a brute, he can stand there and take everything I throw at him, even tho my attacks are supposed to be way above his so it evens out.. his HP is supposed to fall.. not stand there and take the dmg being give, and hitting me for the almost the same amount I gave to him.

Stalkers are complete wack imo. I can understand them hiding in PVE, but the Hiding/1 hit attack is complete nuts. Since PVP does allow them to use it it should at least give have an interrupted like aid self so if they move while tryin to use their "assasinate" attack then its interrupted. That ammount in dmg is just crazy. My crits dont compare to it in no way shape or form.

Corruptors, Ive owned them. Theyve owned me.

MM's seem pretty average. On the same line with Corr's.

As I said. Im new, maybe I dont fully understand the PVP. But its really bad when the tanks are becoming the heavy hitters and hiding/phasing really ruins play, and the final power on a tanks Primary power pool pretty much stops everything. When I have a player down to 1/4 hp, chasing him/her across the entire zone just to get that final hit in just to have them phase out IS pretty lame and destroyed any chance of me getting that kill. Sure run away, lead me into a heard of rival players, but dont phase.. its purely chickenshit.

I dont use phase at all. I want you to see me. I want you to come test your metal against me, whether you win or lose. Its supposed to be fun, not frustrating.

But its PVP.. so who really cares what I say.

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The first rule about fite klub is....

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You must fight like TRU WARRIORZ, no moving, phasing,insps...am I forgetting anything?

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lol..yeah my best was on my crappy spines sr with sos. A brute got tired of me winning and challenged me to an arena duel. I never duel but. meh okay. I started kiting the brute with impale and we quit out.

"what are you doing?"
'If your not going to duel then I am going to leave"
"I was dueling"
"You must be new to pvp, your not supposed to jump around like that in a duel.."
"is there anything else I should know?"
"no inspirations"
"so just so I understand, I am not supposed to move, or use inspirations..is there anything else I can't do to make sure you win?"
"what do you mean?"
"I am supposed to stand there and let you build fury?"
"Your a scrapper, you should stand and fight...you really don't know how to pvp do you?"
"no I guess not, CYA!"

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You sir don't get out much if you think that. I task you come to freedom and duel guyver, this dude has a em/reg stalker and will wreck you in a duel. I'm working on a new dueling stalker myself, but i have sat and watch him call out scrappers and tanks and beat on them for hours he rarely loses.

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First of all, I'm pretty sure he didn't mean zone fight clubzors, since that is a pretty laughlable version of PvP in this game.

Second, I have to agree with con. There is no way in hell that any single stalker can kill either my regen scrapper or my fire tank. I just wouldn't let that happen. Sure, if I just stand there in 1 spot like an idiot (err...I mean like 99% of fight clubbers), there's a chance that he could pull off an AS + something and catch me at a bad time. But I don't just stand there, and neither would any good player. And against a moving tank/scrapper, no stalker is going to have a chance.

The rule is, if they can't AS you, they can't kill you.

[/ QUOTE ]Well in the same vein as your argument, if i'm on my regen stalker you won't kill me, EVER i don't care what sets or buffs you have running i'll have a mitigation tool to avoid death. You'ld have to stay and duke it out to get a kill on either side. It's just what pvp has become and you of all ppl i thought would recognize this. No one scrapper or tanker is going to kill me unless i stop and fight on him and most won't even if i do it's just reality.


Edit: also i have seen guyver get kills with 0 AS's, he made me a believer, the guy he fought kept caltrops out and he still won. If you think I'm just pumping him up, you probably have a melee or two on freedom duel him and see.

Also he did say he didnt think they could in a straight up fight so I'd interpret that as we slug it out until one of us falls, if we are just going to kite around when we get hurt to save death, what's the point of us even fighting? Just before i logged into the forums i [censored] you not i fought in the subway of RV with a purpled fire/reg scrapper on my elec/reg stalker no lie for about 20 min before i miss timed a heal and died. We just stood their and fought. So if i stayed alive that long doing that how are you going to kill me on the run? where i'll use mog, and phase, and shadow meld, and any inspirations i have,and just hide and disappear? The answer is no one melee can achieve this, there fore it's no point in fighting me unless you got help, so you just wasted time, and I'm a talk smack to you, provoke you into a mistake until my team gathers and we spike you. I do this everyday it's a damn exercise now, hell I'm doing it now. Can you feel that?

It's what pvp has become for melees

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The funny thing is, even though you seem like one of the whiners that got the changes made in the first place, you're probably still bad..------Macskull on Crop_of_shaolin

http://ravens-wins.mybrute.com

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The first rule about fite klub is....

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You must fight like TRU WARRIORZ, no moving, phasing,insps...am I forgetting anything?

[/ QUOTE ]One thing i learned a long time ago is, though it seems like their mashing buttons, those oldschool fiteklub duels most we're really thought out fights here's how. You have to determine, which attack to use based on their build, based on their hp in conjunction with their build. Which mitigation tools they might have, which tools you have that might counter what they have and the variables go on and on. That's what make dueling that way a nice change of pace from other ways. Me personally i can duel either way and enjoy both, i just chose not to limit my options, they are already limited as it is because of our wonderful devs. So the least i can do to extend my pvp gaming pleasure is to explore different forms of pvp. And though alot of ppl shun lolfiteklub style fights those that do it obviously like it so who is anyone to rain on anyone's fun? Isn't that why we all play in the first place to have fun?

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The funny thing is, even though you seem like one of the whiners that got the changes made in the first place, you're probably still bad..------Macskull on Crop_of_shaolin

http://ravens-wins.mybrute.com

Not really... fiteklubbing is nothing more than button mashing. There really is no skill involved - if the other person's got a better build, they'll win.

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I honestly believe a few powers should not be selectable period. You go to a PVP zone for 3 reason.. to win, die, or run. Not to stand there and hybernate while others beat on you. Not to go invis and 1 dmg hit takes 3/4 of your life. Not to attack someone and when they start getting the upper hand on you, you phase out like a punk.

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lolololol

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Sad to say, I wish I would get killed in a PvP zone but when I went there and did the Shiva mission it seemed dead. Granted, they may not have seen me as a Stalker but aren't people able to tell where you are after the first meteor sample? (I'm new to the game so I apologize if that sounded like a dumb question) I mean, I was able to multitask in a PvP zone. Checking the website and doing a whole bunch of other things outside of actually watching my back. Completing the mission felt sort of hollow.

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People can't see you until you come out of Hide (assuming they don't have enough perception to see you while you're in Hide - perception and stealth can kind of be out of whack in low-level zones). Being a Stalker means you can often safely AFK in a zone - but at the same time, being able to remain unseen effectively means you choose when to start fights, not the other way around.

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No, I meant that when you are in Bloody Bay and you collect the meteor samples you actually start glowing green. Can other people see that or is it also suppressed by Hide?

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If you're hidden, you're hidden. Doesn't matter what power auras you're running. The glowing is only a visual indication (if the enemy can see you) that you are carrying meteor fragments.

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Not really... fiteklubbing is nothing more than button mashing. There really is no skill involved - if the other person's got a better build, they'll win

[/ QUOTE ] When i do decide to fiteklub i actually think things out, I'm analytical so I'm always cerebral even when doing barbaric endeavors. I've beaten ppl with better builds than i just because i do tend to think.

It's a lose hobby of mine, maybe i need fiteklub anonymous or something. I do it like once a week, and I'm ashamed to say i actually have fun

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The funny thing is, even though you seem like one of the whiners that got the changes made in the first place, you're probably still bad..------Macskull on Crop_of_shaolin

http://ravens-wins.mybrute.com

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Looks like you came back to pick up where you left off.
You left complaining about PvP to return to complain about PvP.
Nice.

Find something else to do besides complaining. We heard it all before you left.

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why do you post here? you dont pvp.

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To demand a stalker fight a straight up duel without stealth would be like asking a U-boat to surface and fight a battleship in broad day light. Not much challenge there.

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lol nice analogy. would have had more meaning like 7 issues ago though.

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lol..yeah my best was on my crappy spines sr with sos. A brute got tired of me winning and challenged me to an arena duel. I never duel but. meh okay. I started kiting the brute with impale and we quit out.

"what are you doing?"
'If your not going to duel then I am going to leave"
"I was dueling"
"You must be new to pvp, your not supposed to jump around like that in a duel.."
"is there anything else I should know?"
"no inspirations"
"so just so I understand, I am not supposed to move, or use inspirations..is there anything else I can't do to make sure you win?"
"what do you mean?"
"I am supposed to stand there and let you build fury?"
"Your a scrapper, you should stand and fight...you really don't know how to pvp do you?"
"no I guess not, CYA!"

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Super Strength + Willpower Brutes say that all the time to me on my regen.

Yes, let me just stand there while you target me, hit F and put knockout blow on auto.

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I honestly believe a few powers should not be selectable period. You go to a PVP zone for 3 reason.. to win, die, or run. Not to stand there and hybernate while others beat on you. Not to go invis and 1 dmg hit takes 3/4 of your life. Not to attack someone and when they start getting the upper hand on you, you phase out like a punk.

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lolololol

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A stalker can't kill a regen or tank in zones straight up unless said tank/regen is asleep/horrible/trying to lose. So stalkers hunt in packs. I play both sides, but prefer heroes. Stalkers are ridiculous in hide because they are godawful out of it. Fair enough.

[/ QUOTE ]You sir don't get out much if you think that. I task you come to freedom and duel guyver, this dude has a em/reg stalker and will wreck you in a duel. I'm working on a new dueling stalker myself, but i have sat and watch him call out scrappers and tanks and beat on them for hours he rarely loses.

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lolz zone duels

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dUmb, etc.
lolz PvP anymore, Market PvP for fun and profit

I love this thread.

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lol..yeah my best was on my crappy spines sr with sos. A brute got tired of me winning and challenged me to an arena duel. I never duel but. meh okay. I started kiting the brute with impale and we quit out.

"what are you doing?"
'If your not going to duel then I am going to leave"
"I was dueling"
"You must be new to pvp, your not supposed to jump around like that in a duel.."
"is there anything else I should know?"
"no inspirations"
"so just so I understand, I am not supposed to move, or use inspirations..is there anything else I can't do to make sure you win?"
"what do you mean?"
"I am supposed to stand there and let you build fury?"
"Your a scrapper, you should stand and fight...you really don't know how to pvp do you?"
"no I guess not, CYA!"

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Hilarious. Hearing melee fightclubbers teach folks that duels are meant to be fought standing toe-to-toe with no movement really never gets old.


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(Ravens)i go hours with out dying. Wrecked never, if i die i had a lapse in concentration or the dreaded lb heavy made his mark. First in foremost i ain't rushing head first into a trap….And what stalker let's themselves get continually ganked?

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<Raises Hand> I take this to mean that you're one fo the stalkers who simply won't attack if there's a chance you might die. That can certainly make for some boring pvp on both sides. Personally, I don't care about death, and I die quite frequently on my stalker…but I always attack the trap in hopes of scoring a kill, even if death is a certainty and a kill unlikely. I think it's far more fun to attack and die than to sit around not attacking because I'm scared of dying.

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Edit: also i have seen guy get kills with 0 AS's, he made me a believer, the guy he fought kept caltrops out and he still won. If you think I'm just pumping him.

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Amazing! You saw a stalker beat someone in fightclub…well, you've made a believer out of me! Fact is, fightclub fights are a joke.

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fiteklubbing is nothing more than button mashing. There really is no skill involved - if the other person's got a better build, they'll win.

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Truth! The only reason to deny this truth is to boost your own ego.

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<Raises Hand> I take this to mean that you're one fo the stalkers who simply won't attack if there's a chance you might die. That can certainly make for some boring pvp on both sides. Personally, I don't care about death, and I die quite frequently on my stalker…but I always attack the trap in hopes of scoring a kill, even if death is a certainty and a kill unlikely. I think it's far more fun to attack and die than to sit around not attacking because I'm scared of dying.


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i wish more people would think like this.

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As far as complaining about stalker triple and quadruple teams, I never complain about them until the stalkers start complaining about heroes setting up stalker trap.. I mean defenses around heavies and pill boxes.


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QFT


Now to read the rest of this.

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Just curious, what was it I said that ticked you off? Or am I misunderstanding QFT?

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QFT = Quoted For Truth.

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"the reason there are so many sarcastic pvpers is we already had a better version of pvp taken away from us to appease bad players. Back then we chuckled at how bad players came here and whined. If we knew that was the actual voice devs would listen to instead of informed, educated players we probably would have been bigger dicks back then." -ConFlict

That's what I was thinking, but another meaning is Quit F*** Talking. Just curious which he meant towards me.

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Not really... fiteklubbing is nothing more than button mashing. There really is no skill involved - if the other person's got a better build, they'll win.

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Just for my education...

Is fight clubbing the term used for dueling in PvP zones, or does it include all fighting in the zones?

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Not all fighting in zones, and not necessarily all dueling. For example I can spend a good deal of time fighting one specific opponent but most wouldn't consider it fiteklubbing if we were both moving around, using inspirations, and doing everything we could to defeat the other player and stay alive. People usually consider something "fiteklubbing" if they're doing something like meeting under the statue of Atlas in RV and standing there trading blows without moving until someone dies.

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