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Imperious Task Force Fail

Alexandria2000

By Alexandria2000,
Posted on: 2009-05-28 20:20 in CoH and CoV General Discussions

 

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I see an advertisement in the Australia channel "2-3 spots for ITF", and I'm at a loose end for 90 minutes so I ask

'What AT do you need, and what level are you running at?"

The answer comes a few minutes later

'A Support AT would be good, we're running L40'

So I look through my 27 or so characters and find Meadow Dopamine, a L40 Empathy Defender, and ask for an invite.

Three times on my way to Cimerora I get invite from the leader, who can't successfully invite me because it's a mixed team of Villains and Heroes.

Finally I get to Cim, and invited to team. I find a bunch of L37 and 38's and then three L50's. Uh?

"Er, you said it was a L40 TF and many of these guys are L50"

'It will autoexemp'

"No it won't!"

They start the task force, and of course, the first critters are L50.

'OMG, they're L50, the autoexemp must be bugged!'

"Guys, ITF has ALWAYS been L35-50 not L35-40"

'No, I've run it before and it autoexemped the 50's'

Chyeah, right.

So then, with three L50's and 5 people 40 or lower, they decided to 'sidekick' people. That's never going to work.

After some deep discussions the leader (a L37 blaster) decides that HE can live without an SK and three of the 5 people get sidekicked to L49. It's just a disaster waiting to happen.

The blaster faceplants quicker than you can say 'LOL', and what's more, he's -surprised- he died so quickly.

'What we can do, is finish this mission, and then EXEMPLAR the L50's down, and it will all be ok'

"Dude, you have NO idea how task forces work."

The team wipes when the (sidekicked) tank has a cascading defense failure which my defender can't heal fast enough, and we all fall down.

That's when I waved the team goodbye and left the 'leader' to work out that his plan was really useless.

Man, some people just have no clue how to run a task force.

Ex

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Mewbs

Combat Kangaroos, Justice Server. First 50's
Jirra Roo Plant/Storm/Stone/Musculature Controller
Combat Kangaroo Rifle/Energy/Mace/Spiritual Blaster
Kung Fu Kangaroo Martial Arts/Reflexes/Body/Spiritual Scrapper
Tribal Arc Shield/Elec/Mu/Spiritual Tanker

 

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Ouch, sounds painful.

 

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Mewbs

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I'm inclined to agree, dear.

 

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You have my sympathy.

Although your patience for fools is far greater than mine.

~Elizabeth

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i think you only stay on those crap teams so you can come to the forums and "shock us" with your crap luck.

 

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Whoa...you should have quit the second the guy said it will auto exemp.

 

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I told ya, never start an ITF with too many sidekicks.

 

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I told ya, never start an ITF with too many sidekicks.

[/ QUOTE ]Half the time I run a team in general (TF or not, ITF or not) it's got 4 sidekicks on it.

Then again, I don't try to run around with 5 sidekicks...

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I wonder, Part_Troll, have you ever teamed with me? We're on the same server and both play PUGs a lot.

And I have a feeling this era of AE farm babies will produce plenty of material for your stories.

 

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'What we can do, is finish this mission, and then EXEMPLAR the L50's down, and it will all be ok'
"Dude, you have NO idea how task forces work."

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Actually, if the ITF works like the Respec Trials, it should scale to the highest effective level. If you exemplar all the 50s to 40, the next mission should scale to that. Or was that changed at some point?

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I have never seen it work Samuel. I think it is actually intended not to work to prevent speed ITFs by exemping down 4 50s pre missions and then having them unexmp during the missions.

 

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I have never seen it work Samuel. I think it is actually intended not to work to prevent speed ITFs by exemping down 4 50s pre missions and then having them unexmp during the missions.

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That's exactly how people used to fudge the CoV respec trial back in the day. So I guess they HAVE changed it to base off combat levels. Too bad.

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Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

 

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Sidekicking on the ITF is only a problem if people wish to complete it in under 60 minutes. I like to take my time and punch stuff in the face but I find myself in the minority when I join PUGs forming the ITF. I'm not talking about killing everything on each map, but not bypassing all the mobs either.

Kill what is on the way to the objectives. Doing this efficiently can still net a 60-90 minute ITF which is pretty lucrative for inf/exp/drops.

 

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I have never seen it work Samuel. I think it is actually intended not to work to prevent speed ITFs by exemping down 4 50s pre missions and then having them unexmp during the missions.

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I just ran my first ITF ever this weekend and this is what we did. We had some 50s, which we exemped down before accepting the TF. The ITF was then set to the highest level (post-exemp), which was somewhere in the mid-30s.

Things ended up getting ugly when one of our 40s (who was exemped) got DC'd and had to re-join. When they rejoined, the ITF was set to 41/42, even though we re-exemped the returning character.

After several team wipes against Rommie, we had to un-exemp the 50s to finish the ITF.

 

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I'm not sure why but I love these stories of P_T's pug disasters. You can see the trainwreck coming, yet it still delivers.

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I have never seen it work Samuel. I think it is actually intended not to work to prevent speed ITFs by exemping down 4 50s pre missions and then having them unexmp during the missions.

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That's exactly how people used to fudge the CoV respec trial back in the day. So I guess they HAVE changed it to base off combat levels. Too bad.

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i've seen it work if they Exemp/Mal before starting the TF/SF.

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I wonder, Part_Troll, have you ever teamed with me? We're on the same server and both play PUGs a lot.

And I have a feeling this era of AE farm babies will produce plenty of material for your stories.

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Now i miss Psychoti even more. P_T has some good'uns, but Psychoti's quick wit always made his experiences with bad players truly hilarious.

Y'know, the funniest part is that i've also been encountering many mewbs who (incorrectly) think they know better than anyone else how the game works no matter how many times you demonstrate it doesn't work that way. From newb to n00b in no time flat.

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Thanks for the kind responses. (Usually I would expect all sorts of 'but -you- failed because ...' responses)

It has occurred to me that I should re-emphasise that these stories are the exception to my gaming, rather than the norm. If I had to put a figure on my Successful Vs Unsuccessful Task Force attempts, the fails would be a tiny fraction. Kinda like the in-game hard coded 'you will be hit, 5% of the time'.

Plus, I know that I don't make it easy for myself, because I -do- speak up, out loud, in public, just at the VERY worst of times, when cynical 'I told you so' comments are not going to help at all. That's something I do because I love being right, to the extent where it isn't necessary for anyone else to appreciate my correctness other than myself. Yes, yes, a bad character flaw, one of many that make up my persona.

I have lots of good times, and many people share those good times, even when I'm on the team.

Did a Manticore TF a day or so ago, and it was like extacting teeth getting players to join the team, easily took 40 minutes of zoning, advertising in VU2009 and Virtue TFs, yelling in various supergroup channels, and hitting on any available unteamed players in /search, yet eventually we got a team together, and it just rocked.

In the words of Paul Simon "Bright and Bon Vivant". People were friendly, funny, there was this ongoing joke about the newbie who left a TF to go watch Spongebob Squarepants, which everyone would use if they were late to a mission. We roared through the content, I think there were zero deaths, and we did Manticore in less than ninety minutes. Writing about such great events "we did Manticore in less than 90 minutes and it was fabbo" isn't noteworthy. It isn't something you can share with a wider audience and say 'see what you're missing out on?'.

Whereas writing up a disaster story, gets people interested, it highlights the kind of comprehensive failure of certain players to understand the game, not just nuances, but bloody great big huge chunks "where do I get level 35 enhancements?" kind of fail.

Posting these tales is something I do because I feel I "get it off my chest". I've gotten to explain what happened, point out where things were really awry, and get other people to nod sagely, or cringe publicly "ew, that sounds -awful-". To me, it's a much better use of the forum than posting yet another "me too" or "single line IRC-like comment" (or in todays vernacular, a Twitter post).

With the additional plus that it brings out the TL;DR crowd in -droves-. "ARGGGH YOU WROTE TOO MUCH, MY EYES, MY BRAIN, I DON'T HAVE TIME FOR YOUR .... WORDS!!!!!", it makes me giggle about how pathetic and stupid they must be to -feel- that way about people spending the time to write things up.

Kudos especially to those souls who write up Player Guides. Some really sterling work in that part of the official Forum.

Enough blather from me, time to go get on a Task Force and see what the day brings ...

Ex

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Part-Troll, who used to be Excession777, now playing pantomime with people's mindlets.
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'OMG, they're L50, the autoexemp must be bugged!'

"Guys, ITF has ALWAYS been L35-50 not L35-40"

'No, I've run it before and it autoexemped the 50's'

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This kind of stuff drives me nuts.
"So, are you lying, deranged or just stupid?"

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Necross wrote:

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Y'know, the funniest part is that i've also been encountering many mewbs who (incorrectly) think they know better than anyone else how the game works no matter how many times you demonstrate it doesn't work that way.

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This drives me crazy. And causes Part_Troll to post these stories in the first place.

--NT

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But I showed them, and nobody's laughing at me now!

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