Enough is enough.... do something about MA/AE pls
By
AkuTenshiiZero,
Posted on: 2009-05-27 14:57 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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It used to be pvp'ers that were the source of all evil in the game. The devs took that opinion to heart and ran them all out of the game.
Now it is the farmers that are the source of all evil and the devs are making a stand against them.
The farmers know that to kill them they need to drastically alter the game. Which, unlike the pvpers they were able to kill by changing all the rules in their confined zones and dropping a chemical weapon in there. It has no impact on pve.
The war against farmers will be long and bloody. There will be many casualties and the collateral damage will be extensive.
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Next up: The ERPers!!!!!! Think of the children!!
MA and AE is fine.
I find my teams. I run everything from normal content to MA Arcs (some are awesome) to Task Forces.
What is wrong is: no one has the truth on anything. Period. What is bad for you, may be not for the guys next door.
Dont like the MA? Dont use it.
Cant find teams? Create your own.
People dont want to do what YOU want to do? Find people that want. Cant do it? Look on the right places.
Stop crying, people! The world isnt about what YOU believe is right. Deal with this and move on.
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MA and AE is fine.
I find my teams. I run everything from normal content to MA Arcs (some are awesome) to Task Forces.
What is wrong is: no one has the truth on anything. Period. What is bad for you, may be not for the guys next door.
Dont like the MA? Dont use it.
Cant find teams? Create your own.
People dont want to do what YOU want to do? Find people that want. Cant do it? Look on the right places.
Stop crying, people! The world isnt about what YOU believe is right. Deal with this and move on.
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I must agree with this post as written, as it sums up my feelings on the matter most adequately. o.q
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I am so sick of this entire debacle I honestly wish they would remove MA from the game, just take is all out, strip the badges, I don't care..... just make it gone.
I feel that this is the most serious danger the game has ever been in, due to punitive actions of this and that sort, which have been discussed to death... friends are leaving over the nerfs, let's just roll it back to the way it was and let people try to heal.
The whole thing is a giant negativity-sink and.... and I know they're not going to take it out but I really feel that would be the best outcome. This is going from bad to worse, as in floods of people leaving.
I don't want my MMO to die. And it feels like the MA/related issues are killing it. I'm just very sad
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Many of us actually *like* the MA. We don't consider it a debacle and consider it one of the most *positive* things that have happened to CoH for some time.
To me, it's breathed new life in the game. I'm glad it's here. Judging from the number of arcs, number of plays, and crowds in many of the MA buildings, I'd say we're doing all right overall. Except on the forums, of course. But that's a different game altogether. 
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Stop crying, people! The world isnt about what YOU believe is right. Deal with this and move on.
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the world is about what i believe is wrong. I hardly move til its fixed.
Mind me havin' an attitude? 
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Ok this isnt a complaint at anyone or any group of players or anything like that, so dont take it anyway personally but...
I have been playing CoX in the EU for many a year now, moved over to the USA servers due to low populations in the EU and was really getting into the game again - a lot of fun to be had..
Then MA comes along and the farming that many knew would happen. Now, I dont care if people farm or pl or both, its up to them, but what I do care about is when its so damn hard now to get a team that firstly isnt doing AE missions, or if they are arent doing lvl 54 boss farms. Its madness. So many in Atlas just looking for great xp.
So we have heard about nerfs of certain critter types, and now... badges.. For heavens sake, no one really cares that much about loosing some badges - if no one has them you cant show off for having them so doesnt really matter, and the majority of people seem to do AE farms/missions for xp or inf/prestige.
So whats an easier way to deal with it... Come on devs... CoX was built with mobs already, they consisted of a boss or two, lts and then minions - why are the devs allowing people to create missions with mobs built solely of bosses.... Change that surely.... Yes people will pl and farm, nothing much is being done about it, and I dont care if they do, what I would love to see is people playing the game through the zones, teams that dont complain when they dont get 6-10k xp per kill and level twice or more in a mission....
and do we really need an auto sk system on created missions, low levels are playing lvl 40 missions and lvl 50 missions, on the back of a team that can actually hit. Turn it back to having to sk
Bring COX back please
Now I know someone will disagree. Cool, its all about peoples opinions, express them, maturely and for once lets not let this go into the gutter.. Thanks
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did....did you not play the game before AE or something?
people are STILL making toons to farm the liberate tv missions villain side
Woot? not a bullet for about 20 mns? so, RP'ers got class after all.... they quitted trolling...Do you see my name in the 'PvP' forums'? 'costume threads'? No.
Sweet, this is turning into a farmer forum, Aka: im busy killing while you speak and lvl, sitting at the door
Hush Hush
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I am so sick of this entire debacle I honestly wish they would remove MA from the game, just take is all out, strip the badges, I don't care..... just make it gone.
I feel that this is the most serious danger the game has ever been in, due to punitive actions of this and that sort, which have been discussed to death... friends are leaving over the nerfs, let's just roll it back to the way it was and let people try to heal.
The whole thing is a giant negativity-sink and.... and I know they're not going to take it out but I really feel that would be the best outcome. This is going from bad to worse, as in floods of people leaving.
I don't want my MMO to die. And it feels like the MA/related issues are killing it. I'm just very sad
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Many of us actually *like* the MA. We don't consider it a debacle and consider it one of the most *positive* things that have happened to CoH for some time.
To me, it's breathed new life in the game. I'm glad it's here. Judging from the number of arcs, number of plays, and crowds in many of the MA buildings, I'd say we're doing all right overall. Except on the forums, of course. But that's a different game altogether.
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je commence à preferer les forums, ca se tape plus que dans le jeu. 
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Yeah, that's about how insightful, informative and just generally useful 98% of your posts are.
Carry on, every kingdom needs its fool.
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Think you mean 99.9999% of his posts. Change his name but still posting gibberish.
As for this thread? Yawn. Pointless and you are not happy then quit; I will when become bored or if DCOU is really good.
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je commence à preferer les forums, ca se tape plus que dans le jeu.
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J'ai un blaireau enragé dans mon pantalon, et il est d'attaquer mes parties génitales! Aider! Aider! Il n'y a aucun espoir pour moi, courir pour votre vie!
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Change his name but still posting gibberish.
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*looks up* How did you KNOW??? 
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je commence à preferer les forums, ca se tape plus que dans le jeu.
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J'ai un blaireau enragé dans mon pantalon, et il est d'attaquer mes parties génitales! Aider! Aider! Il n'y a aucun espoir pour moi, courir pour votre vie!
loooooooooooool je suis mort de rire 
well, my GF family name is... Bl...and i certainly dont run^^
I had the opinion from the beginning that MA shouldn't award any experience. I think that the MA should have existed just to allow people to create creative missions with interesting story lines. That the MA should have been in the game strictly for fun. The ticket system was still a good idea. If they did this from the beginning people would have still enjoyed the MA. Other groups would still be alive as well and even farmers would have been pleased (farming tickets/badges.)
There's those that disagree but this is my opinion. I don't think that the game is dying but I honestly believe that would have caused a lot less issues.
After the massive nerf-bat that AE farms got hit with - one taht still has many chomping at the bit - I daresay that the system is "fixed" enough. If it gets any more "fixed" I shudder to think of the proverbial [censored]-storm libel to be kicked up.
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I am so sick of this entire debacle I honestly wish they would remove MA from the game, just take is all out, strip the badges, I don't care..... just make it gone.
I feel that this is the most serious danger the game has ever been in, due to punitive actions of this and that sort, which have been discussed to death... friends are leaving over the nerfs, let's just roll it back to the way it was and let people try to heal.
The whole thing is a giant negativity-sink and.... and I know they're not going to take it out but I really feel that would be the best outcome. This is going from bad to worse, as in floods of people leaving.
I don't want my MMO to die. And it feels like the MA/related issues are killing it. I'm just very sad
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Even assuming one accepted your argument that the game would have been better off without the mission architect (I diagree - I adore this system - but even if I WERE on board with you), the fact is that it is too late for that. Now that it is released, removing it would lead to a much greater public out-cry, exodus of players, general bad blood between groups of players, and betweeen certain players the developers, and similar bad, unpleasent things, than simply toning down the more extreme (and, arguably, exploitative) excesses of XP farming.
You are worried about the health of the game, and thats a fair concenr. I hardly feal that the game is dying, but even if it were, removing the archtiect system now taht tis been implemented would hasten its demise, not avert them.
Enough is enough, you like RP, go RP, you like farms? go farm
You like travel? do it twice or 3 times a year.
Sweet, now we have a forum, for us the farmers. Fair enough, as we help 70% of the populace, who has proper forum for useless subjects.
Its a win win, unless some narrow minded come over to troll.
But no one is narrow minded here.
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It used to be pvp'ers that were the source of all evil in the game. The devs took that opinion to heart and ran them all out of the game.
Now it is the farmers that are the source of all evil and the devs are making a stand against them.
The farmers know that to kill them they need to drastically alter the game. Which, unlike the pvpers they were able to kill by changing all the rules in their confined zones and dropping a chemical weapon in there. It has no impact on pve.
The war against farmers will be long and bloody. There will be many casualties and the collateral damage will be extensive.
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In my opinion, this was an extremely ignorant thing to say.
PvPers the root of all evil in the game? Are you kidding me? Just because somebody plays the game differently than you does NOT mean that they are evil.
The same goes for farmers. Some people just enjoy the game in different ways. This does NOT make them evil.
I'm neutral on it (then again I'm more of a soloist), then again I think we'll have to see how the new shinies hold up against MA, If I15 and Going Rogue flop in comparison, then yeah MA/AE needs to be looked at again.
Of course all this reminds me of that Futurama episode when Fry fell in love with the love-bot
------->"Sic Semper Tyrannis"<-------
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I am so sick of this entire debacle I honestly wish they would remove MA from the game, just take is all out, strip the badges, I don't care..... just make it gone.
I feel that this is the most serious danger the game has ever been in, due to punitive actions of this and that sort, which have been discussed to death... friends are leaving over the nerfs, let's just roll it back to the way it was and let people try to heal.
The whole thing is a giant negativity-sink and.... and I know they're not going to take it out but I really feel that would be the best outcome. This is going from bad to worse, as in floods of people leaving.
I don't want my MMO to die. And it feels like the MA/related issues are killing it. I'm just very sad
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Sadly, the player was right. This isn't anything but a doom post and I'm in the camp that thinks the devs royally farked it all up with the bannings.
On the other hand, it may very well cost dev X his job if enough subs get canceled.
So if you REALLY want your voice heard, cancel now. Otherwise, you truly are stating that you're ok with the decisions being made.
I've figured out I am ok with it enough to stay, regardless of my disgust at this Current situation.
The good still outweighs the bad. That, of course, may change next week.
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This is a fair point. If the changes (either introducing MA, or nerfing it, or whatever) make teh game un-fun for you, dont play it. The democracy of the marcketplace in action.
For me, personally, the coolness of playing in a superhero setting outweighs my 4 year-long disatisfaction with more or less all aspects of gameplay (to one extent or anther). Also, the mission architect is a big selling point for me - and no, not ONLY because it can get me from one to 50 in a week instead of a month - but more importantly than that because of the endless variety fo cotnent it allows me to experience, and its storytelling potential as an RP tool. the promise of this system is actually what kept me from cancelling my subscription to go play Darkfall Oline several months ago (although the catastrophic incompetance of Adventurine studios didnt hurt either... but I digress).
Nonetheless, there eveyr probability, unless it is just the worst piece of crap Ive ever played, that when CO hits the marcket, Ill be out of here.
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I had the opinion from the beginning that MA shouldn't award any experience. I think that the MA should have existed just to allow people to create creative missions with interesting story lines. That the MA should have been in the game strictly for fun. The ticket system was still a good idea. If they did this from the beginning people would have still enjoyed the MA. Other groups would still be alive as well and even farmers would have been pleased (farming tickets/badges.)
There's those that disagree but this is my opinion. I don't think that the game is dying but I honestly believe that would have caused a lot less issues.
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It used to be pvp'ers that were the source of all evil in the game. The devs took that opinion to heart and ran them all out of the game.
Now it is the farmers that are the source of all evil and the devs are making a stand against them.
The farmers know that to kill them they need to drastically alter the game. Which, unlike the pvpers they were able to kill by changing all the rules in their confined zones and dropping a chemical weapon in there. It has no impact on pve.
The war against farmers will be long and bloody. There will be many casualties and the collateral damage will be extensive.
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In my opinion, this was an extremely ignorant thing to say.
PvPers the root of all evil in the game? Are you kidding me? Just because somebody plays the game differently than you does NOT mean that they are evil.
The same goes for farmers. Some people just enjoy the game in different ways. This does NOT make them evil.
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I dont think he was arguing that that was TRUE (that PvPers - o0r farmers - really ARE the root of all evil), but rather that the widespready propagation of this belief by a vocal minority fo players who domianted many parts of the official message-boards has helped inform the developers decisions on the topic, driving them first to turn away from developing PvP, and now to hit farmers with the nerf-bat (and, in some cases, the even more feated ban-hammer).
This perception may be partially accurate. there is no denying that developer interest in the PvP game waned for many years after it failed to atain anything resembling widespread popularity amongst the player base, and many in the community complained, in most cases with some legitimacy, about changes made for PvP reasons that affected their PvE performance.
However, I am inclined to believe that, whether you think it succeeded or failed miserably, the recent change to PvP was a genuine good-faith effort on the part of the developers to both revitalize PvP, and also ensure that PvP could be balanced without affecting the PvE game (enabling them to finally keep the promise they made oh so long ago when PvP was first introduced).
The outcry of members of the community undeniably plays a role in their desire to end farming too. Mr. Miller (AKA Positron) has, in fact, said as much in so many words. But I hardly feel that is the ONLY reason, and almost certainly not the most important.
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J'ai un blaireau enragé dans mon pantalon, et il est d'attaquer mes parties génitales! Aider! Aider! Il n'y a aucun espoir pour moi, courir pour votre vie!
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Ci il n'ya aucun espoir pour toi, comment est-ce-qu'on peut t'aider?
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It used to be pvp'ers that were the source of all evil in the game. The devs took that opinion to heart and ran them all out of the game.
Now it is the farmers that are the source of all evil and the devs are making a stand against them.
The farmers know that to kill them they need to drastically alter the game. Which, unlike the pvpers they were able to kill by changing all the rules in their confined zones and dropping a chemical weapon in there. It has no impact on pve.
The war against farmers will be long and bloody. There will be many casualties and the collateral damage will be extensive.
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In my opinion, this was an extremely ignorant thing to say.
PvPers the root of all evil in the game? Are you kidding me? Just because somebody plays the game differently than you does NOT mean that they are evil.
The same goes for farmers. Some people just enjoy the game in different ways. This does NOT make them evil.
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I dont think he was arguing that that was TRUE (that PvPers - o0r farmers - really ARE the root of all evil), but rather that the widespready propagation of this belief by a vocal minority fo players who domianted many parts of the official message-boards has helped inform the developers decisions on the topic, driving them first to turn away from developing PvP, and now to hit farmers with the nerf-bat (and, in some cases, the even more feated ban-hammer).
This perception may be partially accurate. there is no denying that developer interest in the PvP game waned for many years after it failed to atain anything resembling widespread popularity amongst the player base, and many in the community complained, in most cases with some legitimacy, about changes made for PvP reasons that affected their PvE performance.
However, I am inclined to believe that, whether you think it succeeded or failed miserably, the recent change to PvP was a genuine good-faith effort on the part of the developers to both revitalize PvP, and also ensure that PvP could be balanced without affecting the PvE game (enabling them to finally keep the promise they made oh so long ago when PvP was first introduced).
The outcry of members of the community undeniably plays a role in their desire to end farming too. Mr. Miller (AKA Positron) has, in fact, said as much in so many words. But I hardly feel that is the ONLY reason, and almost certainly not the most important.
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can you give us the reason, in 1 short sentence?
i got mine , very short.
Money/jobs/economics.
What is yours?
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J'ai un blaireau enragé dans mon pantalon, et il est d'attaquer mes parties génitales! Aider! Aider! Il n'y a aucun espoir pour moi, courir pour votre vie!
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Ci il n'ya aucun espoir pour toi, comment est-ce-qu'on peut t'aider?
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essaye avec un renard
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J'ai un blaireau enragé dans mon pantalon, et il est d'attaquer mes parties génitales! Aider! Aider! Il n'y a aucun espoir pour moi, courir pour votre vie!
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Ci il n'ya aucun espoir pour toi, comment est-ce-qu'on peut t'aider?
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essaye avec un renard
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quoted: you're luky, it also could be a badger
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I am so sick of this entire debacle I honestly wish they would remove MA from the game, just take is all out, strip the badges, I don't care..... just make it gone.
I feel that this is the most serious danger the game has ever been in, due to punitive actions of this and that sort, which have been discussed to death... friends are leaving over the nerfs, let's just roll it back to the way it was and let people try to heal.
The whole thing is a giant negativity-sink and.... and I know they're not going to take it out but I really feel that would be the best outcome. This is going from bad to worse, as in floods of people leaving.
I don't want my MMO to die. And it feels like the MA/related issues are killing it. I'm just very sad
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Sadly, the player was right. This isn't anything but a doom post and I'm in the camp that thinks the devs royally farked it all up with the bannings.
On the other hand, it may very well cost dev X his job if enough subs get canceled.
So if you REALLY want your voice heard, cancel now. Otherwise, you truly are stating that you're ok with the decisions being made.
I've figured out I am ok with it enough to stay, regardless of my disgust at this Current situation.
The good still outweighs the bad. That, of course, may change next week.
Be well, people of CoH.