New Level Pact Squad to face the Toughest in CoH
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Posted on: 2009-05-22 19:36 in The Market and Inventions
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Hrmph. You know it's abuse. You're going out of your way to be abusive of the system and to make a point of it. You know that too.
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how?
where's the definition for players to follow?
if they don't like it, they can step in. Absent a useful definition preventing 'abuse' is their job, not ours. Since they're the only ones who know where the boundaries are.
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NCSoft employees don't need to be alerted to anything. If an AE or non-AE mission proves bloatrous in its returns, it will get pulled. If a player abuses (there's that word again) AE or certain missions, it will become common knowledge and that player will get a temp ban.
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I am sure that you are an astute and intelligent individual. Would you please be so kind as to point out if YOU personally feel that any of my plans are considered "abuse"? I'm sure that a rational and reasonable person such as yourself would have no problem with someone who is truly, honestly, and openly attempting not to cause any "abuse."
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Hrmph. You know it's abuse. You're going out of your way to be abusive of the system and to make a point of it. You know that too.
Now go on, say something like 'Could you explain exactly how it's abuse'.
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Pushing the system to its limits is not abuse. Exposing that the devs are floundering around is not abuse of the game just the devs.
What this does is expose that the devs don't know what is legitimate play themselves and that is the only reason they won't say. It has nothing to do with rules lawyering (anyone who bought that argument is both stupid and a few bricks short of a load).
It has everything to do with their having a game that is in a state they don't want it to be in.
If they implement their vision they will lose 90% of their player base.
If they state how they want the game to be played and the rate they want people to go, they will lose a significant chunk of their players.
Currently they allow some people to play completely outside of their vision. Mostly because they act as shills and because taking action would alienate many more players.
What this will do is expose the hypocrisy and lay bare the double standard
Bravo
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NCSoft employees don't need to be alerted to anything. If an AE or non-AE mission proves bloatrous in its returns, it will get pulled. If a player abuses (there's that word again) AE or certain missions, it will become common knowledge and that player will get a temp ban.
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I am sure that you are an astute and intelligent individual. Would you please be so kind as to point out if YOU personally feel that any of my plans are considered "abuse"? I'm sure that a rational and reasonable person such as yourself would have no problem with someone who is truly, honestly, and openly attempting not to cause any "abuse."
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Hrmph. You know it's abuse. You're going out of your way to be abusive of the system and to make a point of it. You know that too.
Now go on, say something like 'Could you explain exactly how it's abuse'.
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Is everything that I've suggested so far abuse? Could you please point out if any aren't abuse? How about if I organized a Fire/Rad Controller team and we went from 1-50 in 6-8 hours of playtime through developer choice maps? How about if I do that with my Thug/Storms?
I believe there are players on these forums who consider my mere existence "abuse" in City of Heroes.
Craig Morrison is right.
You need to develop based on how your players play, not the way you want them to play.
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Hrmph. You know it's abuse. You're going out of your way to be abusive of the system and to make a point of it. You know that too.
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how?
where's the definition for players to follow?
if they don't like it, they can step in. Absent a useful definition preventing 'abuse' is their job, not ours. Since they're the only ones who know where the boundaries are.
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Based on your arguments alone I'm positive you of all people don't actually need a verbatim definition. You're well and above smart enough to know.
Edit: That goes for Smurphy too.
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Hrmph. You know it's abuse. You're going out of your way to be abusive of the system and to make a point of it. You know that too.
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how?
where's the definition for players to follow?
if they don't like it, they can step in. Absent a useful definition preventing 'abuse' is their job, not ours. Since they're the only ones who know where the boundaries are.
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Based on your arguments alone I'm positive you of all people don't actually need a verbatim definition. You're well and above smart enough to know.
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It seems for some people if you aren't cybering in Pocket D it is abusing the game.
total kick to the gut
This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
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It seems for some people if you aren't cybering in Pocket D it is abusing the game.
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That's ridiculous. Nobody goes to Pocket D
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So your reply is "No, I'm not going to tell you if all or only some of the things you proposed are abuse"?
Just going to once again profess my undying love for teh bunny, and i am your servant for life 
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So your reply is "No, I'm not going to tell you if all or only some of the things you proposed are abuse"? Seems to be a common theme.
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I will absolutely tell you. Every thing you said is abusive behavior in my opinion if memory serves. But you know that. Now you say 'how exactly is x y z abusive'
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So your reply is "No, I'm not going to tell you if all or only some of the things you proposed are abuse"? Seems to be a common theme.
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I will absolutely tell you. Every thing you said is abusive behavior in my opinion if memory serves. But you know that. Now you say 'how exactly is x y z abusive'
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Thank you for your opinion. I am surprised you consider simply being good at this game abuse. Good luck in City of Heroes and life. We won't be in contact with one another.
No, now the rest of us ask exactly that -- "How exactly is x y z abusive?"
Hazel Black - Mind/Psi D
Stephanie Winters - Nightwidow
Jacqui Frost - Cold/Ice D
Jacqui Embers - Fire/Kin C
Simone Templar - Fire/MM B
Mallory Woods - Kin/Rad D
Sanguine Melody - Grav/Sonic C
Fumina Hara - Plant/Storm C
Nutmeg - Warshade
Lauren Wu - SS/WP B
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No, now the rest of us ask exactly that -- "How exactly is x y z abusive?"
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I'm curious as well.
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So your reply is "No, I'm not going to tell you if all or only some of the things you proposed are abuse"? Seems to be a common theme.
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I will absolutely tell you. Every thing you said is abusive behavior in my opinion if memory serves. But you know that. Now you say 'how exactly is x y z abusive'
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Thank you for your opinion. I am surprised you consider simply being good at this game abuse. Good luck in City of Heroes and life. We won't be in contact with one another.
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-cough- -blink- Somebody explain to me how pl'ing pact'd chars makes you 'good at the game'. IMO that doesn't add up.
It's not like your headshotting 100% or taking over the world with france... your just exploiting an xp loophole. Thats not skill.
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So your reply is "No, I'm not going to tell you if all or only some of the things you proposed are abuse"? Seems to be a common theme.
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I will absolutely tell you. Every thing you said is abusive behavior in my opinion if memory serves. But you know that. Now you say 'how exactly is x y z abusive'
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Thank you for your opinion. I am surprised you consider simply being good at this game abuse. Good luck in City of Heroes and life. We won't be in contact with one another.
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-cough- -blink- Somebody explain to me how pl'ing pact'd chars makes you 'good at the game'. IMO that doesn't add up.
It's not like your headshotting 100% or taking over the world with france... your just exploiting an xp loophole. Thats not skill.
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He wants to take a full group into missions with the toughest boss mobs made by the Devs.
How is that an xp loophole?
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-cough- -blink- Somebody explain to me how pl'ing pact'd chars makes you 'good at the game'. IMO that doesn't add up.
It's not like your headshotting 100% or taking over the world with france... your just exploiting an xp loophole. Thats not skill.
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He wants to take a full group into missions with the toughest boss mobs made by the Devs.
How is that an xp loophole?
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I'm going to readily admit I might have gotten lost in here somewhere since I've been reading like 10 threads and hunting down Lost but I'd swear he said something about pacting with a buncha offline chars during this uber XP running debacle in an attempt to get them to 50 in like 10 hours.
Apparently I'm to stupid right now to make an awesome link with a picture and stuff but neverthelss sign the petition! [u]http://www.change.org/petitions/ncso...city-of-heroes[u]
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He wants to take a full group into missions with the toughest boss mobs made by the Devs.
How is that an xp loophole?
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I also suggested making a Fire/Rad team that will level just as fast in Developer choice mission. I also stated that I play two characters at the same time and I play them with no follow, autofire or any assistance whatsoever. I did not specify playing them in any particular place. Let's say I run standard contact and Strike Force content.
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-cough- -blink- Somebody explain to me how pl'ing pact'd chars makes you 'good at the game'. IMO that doesn't add up.
It's not like your headshotting 100% or taking over the world with france... your just exploiting an xp loophole. Thats not skill.
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He wants to take a full group into missions with the toughest boss mobs made by the Devs.
How is that an xp loophole?
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I'm going to readily admit I might have gotten lost in here somewhere since I've been reading like 10 threads and hunting down Lost but I'd swear he said something about pacting with a buncha offline chars during this uber XP running debacle in an attempt to get them to 50 in like 10 hours.
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Fair enough - it's hard to follow 10 threads at once.
He did indicate that people could level pact once he has it set up.
So, is the level pact the problem?
Those pesky Lvl packs how did they get in this game what an exploit......
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-cough- -blink- Somebody explain to me how pl'ing pact'd chars makes you 'good at the game'. IMO that doesn't add up.
It's not like your headshotting 100% or taking over the world with france... your just exploiting an xp loophole. Thats not skill.
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He wants to take a full group into missions with the toughest boss mobs made by the Devs.
How is that an xp loophole?
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I'm going to readily admit I might have gotten lost in here somewhere since I've been reading like 10 threads and hunting down Lost but I'd swear he said something about pacting with a buncha offline chars during this uber XP running debacle in an attempt to get them to 50 in like 10 hours.
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Fair enough - it's hard to follow 10 threads at once.
He did indicate that people could level pact once he has it set up.
So, is the level pact the problem?
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I'm going to go ahead and answer this honestly, since I'm borderline retarded and you can all do whatever.
It's not pacting. It's not doing things as intended. Pacting wasn't intended to be used for this purpose. Everybody knows that, and if you claim to not know that I'm going to flatly call you a lair. Pacting was so two people could always enjoy the same content together more or less. Thats a little simplified I know.
I mean, you CAN run out and slap a 5 year old right now and run away and I'm pretty sure you'll get away with it, but you're not going to because you're not supposed to, it's wrong, and you know it.
Anyway have fun with that. Flame on. Yes I know you're going to have a field day with the word intended. Enjoy. Come to think of it you'll probably have a field day with my analogy too.
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Now I'm really tempted to set up real story arcs filled with critters tailor made for fire farming. I wonder if I could get people to play the arcs for both fun and profit.
And for a while things were cold,
They were scared down in their holes
The forest that once was green
Was colored black by those killing machines
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Flame on. Yes I know you're going to have a field day with the word intended. Enjoy. Come to think of it you'll probably have a field day with my analogy too.
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Not really. It explains your issue. I disagree with you, but not going to flame.
Unless you want me to. 
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Flame on. Yes I know you're going to have a field day with the word intended. Enjoy. Come to think of it you'll probably have a field day with my analogy too.
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Not really. It explains your issue. I disagree with you, but not going to flame.
Unless you want me to.
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Only if it's going to be really funny. 
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Pacting wasn't intended to be used for this purpose. Everybody knows that, and if you claim to not know that I'm going to flatly call you a lair. Pacting was so two people could always enjoy the same content together more or less.
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That's why the feature was introduced, but it was immediately obvious to everyone involved that it could and would be used to get offline characters to high levels. As far as I know the devs are OK with this because the online character is only earning at 1/2 their normal speed, so there is no reward rate disparity involved.
I don't think pacting to 50 is an exploit, or abusive. That's an honest answer.
And for a while things were cold,
They were scared down in their holes
The forest that once was green
Was colored black by those killing machines
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NCSoft employees don't need to be alerted to anything. If an AE or non-AE mission proves bloatrous in its returns, it will get pulled. If a player abuses (there's that word again) AE or certain missions, it will become common knowledge and that player will get a temp ban.
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I am sure that you are an astute and intelligent individual. Would you please be so kind as to point out if YOU personally feel that any of my plans are considered "abuse"? I'm sure that a rational and reasonable person such as yourself would have no problem with someone who is truly, honestly, and openly attempting not to cause any "abuse."
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Hrmph. You know it's abuse. You're going out of your way to be abusive of the system and to make a point of it. You know that too.
Now go on, say something like 'Could you explain exactly how it's abuse'.
Apparently I'm to stupid right now to make an awesome link with a picture and stuff but neverthelss sign the petition! [u]http://www.change.org/petitions/ncso...city-of-heroes[u]