New Level Pact Squad to face the Toughest in CoH
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Posted on: 2009-05-22 19:36 in The Market and Inventions
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I'm going to make a pile of level 1s and level pact them to people. Then I'm going to take my absolutely ridiculous SS/Fire Brute and my Fire/Kin Corruptor and go into all boss maps of enemies who do pure fire damage. I think I can get my level 1s to level 50 in under 10 hours despite being level pacted to logged out toons.
I'm also sure with this approach that NCSoft employees would be willing to kindly explain to me if this behavior is "not allowed."
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First and foremost, if you want NCsoft answers, ask NCsoft questions, privately and directly. Asking us won't give you official answers, leaving an implied question floating on a forum for NCsoft to stumble upon and reply to at their leisure won't reliably get you an answer, and demanding an NCsoft answer in a forum question is against forum rules.
Anyway, bearing in mind that I Am Not An NCsoft Employee, I expect the activity above would be judged abusive. We know the devs feel it is abusive to go from creation to max level in four hours by fighting enemies that can't attack, and here you propose going from creation to max level in less than five effective hours by fighting enemies that are custom-designed to attack you only with powers you are maximally resistant against. I really don't see how they could sensibly place the OK/Not-OK dividing line between those two alternatives.
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If it has a good story its using MA correctly.
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I'm going to make a pile of level 1s and level pact them to people. Then I'm going to take my absolutely ridiculous SS/Fire Brute and my Fire/Kin Corruptor and go into all boss maps of enemies who do pure fire damage. I think I can get my level 1s to level 50 in under 10 hours despite being level pacted to logged out toons.
I'm also sure with this approach that NCSoft employees would be willing to kindly explain to me if this behavior is "not allowed."
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First and foremost, if you want NCsoft answers, ask NCsoft questions, privately and directly. Asking us won't give you official answers, leaving an implied question floating on a forum for NCsoft to stumble upon and reply to at their leisure won't reliably get you an answer, and demanding an NCsoft answer in a forum question is against forum rules.
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Careful, you might end up on the ignore list of the rabbit fan club for pointing out the obvious.
They tend to throw dictionaries rather than read them, so only debate the point if you are prepared for some truly dumb responses.
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I'm going to make a pile of level 1s and level pact them to people. Then I'm going to take my absolutely ridiculous SS/Fire Brute and my Fire/Kin Corruptor and go into all boss maps of enemies who do pure fire damage. I think I can get my level 1s to level 50 in under 10 hours despite being level pacted to logged out toons.
I'm also sure with this approach that NCSoft employees would be willing to kindly explain to me if this behavior is "not allowed."
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First and foremost, if you want NCsoft answers, ask NCsoft questions, privately and directly. Asking us won't give you official answers, leaving an implied question floating on a forum for NCsoft to stumble upon and reply to at their leisure won't reliably get you an answer, and demanding an NCsoft answer in a forum question is against forum rules.
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Careful, you might end up on the ignore list of the rabbit fan club for pointing out the obvious.
They tend to throw dictionaries rather than read them, so only debate the point if you are prepared for some truly dumb responses.
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Naturally obtuse or is this studied ?
*throws an enormous, gargantuan dictionary*
I dont see abuse at all in with the OP is doing, he is not asking for any out side money, Just wants in game money. People pay others to help transfer money all of the time. Get invites to there solo SG's, he even said you can do what you want with your toon during this time.
Running more than one toon at once and not being just a support toon (Spaming healz) does take some work to learn to do.
If I went this route, I would rather be someone working with the Bunny and lvled paq as well adding to more controller toons to the mix.
I will say good luck
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I want challenge. I want difficulty. I want to fight the hardest and most ridiculous mission possible. I want all the forces of City of Heroes allied against and then I want to take my army and steam roll them in ludicrous fashion. I don't want to exploit. I want to use intelligence, skill, talent, planning coordination and a love for all things that consist of outrageous fast paced explosive action
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Careful Smurphy. I had two accounts banned for exactly this. I made a mission with the hardest possible bosses... and was able to do it.
As for a response... NO ONE will answer my questions as to how this was wrong. I've asked on the forums, I've asked in PM's, and I've asked in e-mails to CS. No one can or will answer me. I was simply banned for 3 days and had toons deleted. I would LOVE a response as to how this is exploitive... but NO ONE at NCSoft will answer me.
I think it'd be awesome to send a message to a dev with a link to this thread to see if they could come up with an answer.
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I'll clarify some mission details. There were NO exploits. I did not have easy mobs that gave higher than normal xp. I did not have any NPC allies in the mission, much less ones that simply followed and buffed. I did not have object that blew up and killed everything while giving me xp. I did not use "the easiest mobs I could find. I didn't use any of the "PL'ers tricks". I made a map with the toughest bosses I could find.
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I want challenge. I want difficulty. I want to fight the hardest and most ridiculous mission possible. I want all the forces of City of Heroes allied against and then I want to take my army and steam roll them in ludicrous fashion. I don't want to exploit. I want to use intelligence, skill, talent, planning coordination and a love for all things that consist of outrageous fast paced explosive action
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Careful Smurphy. I had two accounts banned for exactly this. I made a mission with the hardest possible bosses... and was able to do it.
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Owch, that's not grounds for banning IMO :-/
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Careful Smurphy. I had two accounts banned for exactly this. I made a mission with the hardest possible bosses... and was able to do it.
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Don't expect anything from our lords and masters they have spoken and its very very good to be the kings.
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I'll clarify some mission details. There were NO exploits. I did not have easy mobs that gave higher than normal xp. I did not have any NPC allies in the mission, much less ones that simply followed and buffed. I did not have object that blew up and killed everything while giving me xp. I did not use "the easiest mobs I could find. I didn't use any of the "PL'ers tricks". I made a map with the toughest bosses I could find.
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And people wonder why some players are paranoid about MA missions...
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Yes, and nowhere in there does it say you have to use the intended audience's name.
In this case NcSoft Employees was who it was directed at.
As I said so many posts ago, which you somehow tried to twist into only fitting the definition if it broke the EULA, which never had anything to do with it.
Thanks for the proof. 
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Reading comprehension FTW ...
In the definition provided, yes it did state you had to use a name.
Directly is in a direct manner, and what was the defintion given for direct?
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Direct:
to write (a letter) to a person b: to mark with the name and address of the intended recipient
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um you seem to have missed the definition of direct lol
specifically this part: mark with the name and address of the intended recipient
perhaps you should let merriam-webster know they made a mistake
on an aside i told smurphy that if someone argued with a dictionary they would make a fool of them self ....
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Just an FYI....
When a dictionary has two listings for a word, you don't have to use both.
Otherwise... you might think I look foolish arguing with a dictionary, but I think it looks a might bit more foolish not knowing how to properly use one.
Have a nice day.
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Wait ... Let me get this straight .... your definition for direct is ...
Direct: In a Direct Manner
ROFLMAO
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-cough- -blink- Somebody explain to me how pl'ing pact'd chars makes you 'good at the game'. IMO that doesn't add up.
It's not like your headshotting 100% or taking over the world with france... your just exploiting an xp loophole. Thats not skill.
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He wants to take a full group into missions with the toughest boss mobs made by the Devs.
How is that an xp loophole?
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I'm going to readily admit I might have gotten lost in here somewhere since I've been reading like 10 threads and hunting down Lost but I'd swear he said something about pacting with a buncha offline chars during this uber XP running debacle in an attempt to get them to 50 in like 10 hours.
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This may have been explained already ..... but Running toons that are pacted with someone else, and having the other toon logged off makes it extremely hard to level that toon. He'll be doing twice the work.
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I did not have easy mobs that gave higher than normal xp. I did not have any NPC allies in the mission, much less ones that simply followed and buffed. I did not have object that blew up and killed everything while giving me xp. I did not use "the easiest mobs I could find. I didn't use any of the "PL'ers tricks". I made a map with the toughest bosses I could find.
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Did you make it using Bosses exclusively? A map filled with multiples of exactly one custom Boss enemy can afford less challenge than one with a mix of Minions and Lieutenants possessing varying attack and support powers, while at the same time providing greater payoff due to the MA's totally-inflexible-and-often-wrong one-size-fits-all XP/ticket reward scheme. Someone may have believed you arranged your mission the way you did for precisely this reason.
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I want challenge. I want difficulty. I want to fight the hardest and most ridiculous mission possible. I want all the forces of City of Heroes allied against and then I want to take my army and steam roll them in ludicrous fashion. I don't want to exploit. I want to use intelligence, skill, talent, planning coordination and a love for all things that consist of outrageous fast paced explosive action
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Careful Smurphy. I had two accounts banned for exactly this. I made a mission with the hardest possible bosses... and was able to do it.
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Owch, that's not grounds for banning IMO :-/
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Sure it is. It's in the EULA that they can do whatever they want whenever they want.
They can ban you if they don't like how you spell your name.
Sounds like they've decided to start utilizing such arbitrary rulings . Pretty dumb thing to do, but hey there has been a lot of dumb things being done as of late, so why stop now.
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in a direct manner
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Yes, and nowhere in there does it say you have to use the intended audience's name.
In this case NcSoft Employees was who it was directed at.
As I said so many posts ago, which you somehow tried to twist into only fitting the definition if it broke the EULA, which never had anything to do with it.
Thanks for the proof.
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Reading comprehension FTW ...
In the definition provided, yes it did state you had to use a name.
Directly is in a direct manner, and what was the defintion given for direct?
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Direct:
to write (a letter) to a person b: to mark with the name and address of the intended recipient
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Maybe you need to read the whole conversation in context.
I said that in the OP that there were comments directed at NcSoft employees.
Because there are. Three times on the first page alone there are references to "NcSoft Employees".
Now, trying to pretend that the generic "NcSoft Employee" isn't a manner of directing your communication because it isn't a proper name is pure dumbness.
That was the context. The defintion provided had nothing to do with that. Think about the defintion you quoted "to mark with the name and address..."
address?
We are talking about a forum message board here, if I say that I believe someone was directing a message at someone else (or multiple someones in the case of "NcSoft Employees") what application does the defintion given there have to do with it?
It is completely obvious that there are statements in the OP that are directed at NcSoft employees. Go read them yourself, they are the ones that start with "And if NcSoft Employees...."
The amount of stupid all over this thread is amazing though hardly surprising.
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I want challenge. I want difficulty. I want to fight the hardest and most ridiculous mission possible. I want all the forces of City of Heroes allied against and then I want to take my army and steam roll them in ludicrous fashion. I don't want to exploit. I want to use intelligence, skill, talent, planning coordination and a love for all things that consist of outrageous fast paced explosive action
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Careful Smurphy. I had two accounts banned for exactly this. I made a mission with the hardest possible bosses... and was able to do it.
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Owch, that's not grounds for banning IMO :-/
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Sure it is. It's in the EULA that they can do whatever they want whenever they want.
They can ban you if they don't like how you spell your name.
Sounds like they've decided to start utilizing such arbitrary rulings . Pretty dumb thing to do, but hey there has been a lot of dumb things being done as of late, so why stop now.
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He did say it was, explicitly, "IMO..."
It's funny because it reads to me like you are saying what his opinion should be... 
"IMO this isn't bad..."
"Sure it is, IYO!"
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Sounds like fun, but after 4 pages I started randomly clicking around and searching for the word "market" trying to figure out why this is in the The Market forum. GL to you though!
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Because he'll be selling the level-pacts for inf.
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So is this kind of thing covered by "all features of the game economy" in "The Market" forum description? I thought this forum was specifically about "discuss(ing) the Consignment Market system" but if it is more open to use for as a broad platform for any kind of sales at all then more power to yah.
Assuming that is true...
Is prostitution legal in Paragon City? If so we should start up some threads for pimps in the making and prostitute tryouts. Although seeing what happened on Craigslist lately we may have to set up a vetting system to and charge per post.
OOH, we could have a "influence begging" thread where newbs and veterans alike can beg for starter influence loans for their BM or CH starter kits.
Threads with standing offers to come RP with people on teams. Set up hourly rates and charge for things like actually talking in character all the time while you play with them vs. just kind of playing along.
Hell people can theoretically set up threads about anything and just just toss a throw away line about getting paid inf and suddenly it's valid in this forum I guess. There were people in the original thread that contended this plan should have the OP paying the level pact people. After all, he is the one that wants the benefit of the slow leveling.
Where is the flood of dipshits offering INF to the "ebil marketers" flipping salvage to stop? Every time I go to buy something stupid like an uncommon tech salvage and some yahoo is getting his jollies off buying it all out and re listing it at 100,000+ a pop I get annoyed, laugh, list a low ball bid to get what I want eventually and walk away but I think, "I was willing to pay a reasonable premium but this is just retarded..." I wonder if I should pop into The Market forum instead and try and pay some of these "wunderkinds" to [censored] with their plans instead. Would that be griefing I wonder... paying a headhunter to take out the annoying guy who is foolishly trying to corner some random piece of the market he can't possibly hold onto?
How about request threads for Brutes to wander around the starting area in Mercy picking on newbs and threatening them for lunch money! I'd gladly pay folks some infamy to spend an hour or two at peak times "asking" the new villain kids for their big starter inspirations or low level TO's.
We could offer players 1000 inf per activation to go to the market or AE area and spam their AoE heals and footsomps etc. Or bind a key to the belch or roar emotes and spam them until they overlap. Maybe set up a concert of belches, roars and whistle emotes!!
Why not post the OP idea in, say, the server specific forum of where they are going to be doing this? Seems more like what they are doing is an event that happens to involve wanting to be paid for doing it. Probably not quite the level of an "event" though but maybe could repost in the events forum too. If he comes up with a role play idea to describe what is happening could also throw it in the roleplaying forum. He DOES ask a question so I guess just chuck it into the Player Questions forum!
I'm pretty interested actually if it's okay to talk about anything in The Market forum as long as an exchange of goods or services goes down. Obviously things that they don't allow like RMT shouldn't be discussed but I wonder if this could be the hot new hang out for people broadcasting "TV Farm only 100,000 infamy a run!" and things of that nature. There are whole new vast fields of crap we can flood The Market forum with!
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I did not have easy mobs that gave higher than normal xp. I did not have any NPC allies in the mission, much less ones that simply followed and buffed. I did not have object that blew up and killed everything while giving me xp. I did not use "the easiest mobs I could find. I didn't use any of the "PL'ers tricks". I made a map with the toughest bosses I could find.
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Did you make it using Bosses exclusively? A map filled with multiples of exactly one custom Boss enemy can afford less challenge than one with a mix of Minions and Lieutenants possessing varying attack and support powers, while at the same time providing greater payoff due to the MA's totally-inflexible-and-often-wrong one-size-fits-all XP/ticket reward scheme. Someone may have believed you arranged your mission the way you did for precisely this reason.
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No custom bosses. I used Fake Nems. I challenge you to take on a spawn of 8 fake nems. Heck, synapse made just such a challenge mission in beta!
As soon as you engage them... they bubble each other AND put up dispersion bubble effectively capping their defense. Someone earlier said luet might be harder (due to vengance) but capped defense is capped defense. It doesn't matter where they get it. Add to it, that once they're low on health (and they all have lots of health) they go into PFF and can't be touched. Add to it some more that they have a HARD hitting AOE ranged attack.
Seriously... try it. A spawn of all (8) Fake Nemesis bosses is about as hard as you can get short of AV/EB spawns.
Again, these are mobs you find in game, and Synapse even made a challenge mission using these guys.
That's it... there were NO other factors. Nothing to help us out... nothing exploitive. Just spawns of litterally the hardest non-AV/EB mobs in the game (maybe all Master Illusionists would compare)... and because we were able to do it quickly... BAM! Accounts banned!
Add to it one final thing... that NO ONE will respond to me as to HOW this is exploitive, and perhaps you'll begin to realize why my accounts have been cancelled and I'll be leaving the game when the time runs out on them and several of my friends in game have also cancelled in the wake of this.
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I'm pretty interested actually if it's okay to talk about anything in The Market forum as long as an exchange of goods or services goes down.
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From the discription of the market thread in the "Main Index"
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This forum is to discuss the Consignment Market system. Come here to make suggestions, bid or sell items, and discuss all features of the game economy.
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So to answer your question... YES. As long as it has to do with in game economy (read influence/infamy) This IS the place. If inf is being exchanged.... this is an acceptable place to post about it.
Glad to see the intelligent players are exposing the complete and utter nonsense of the "you know it when you see it policy".
From what's been going on the last few days, it's obvious that Customer Services does NOT know it at all, let alone see it. EDIT: The pages and pages of farm arcs in the MA which are [censored] obvious but then they have idiocy like the stuff that has been stating all over the forums.
Interesting to know now that making a challenge missh is also against the rules.
Each day it's being made easier and easier for me whether I'll be staying with this game when renewal comes up.
EDIT: Also newsflash (though it's been said repeatedly), because it seems to have been missed by the "brain" squad posting in this thread: You level HALF AS SLOW when you are level pacted. Know how a feature works before you comment and make an [censored] of yourselves people.
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From what's been going on the last few days, it's obvious that Customer Services does NOT know it at all, let alone see it. EDIT: The pages and pages of farm arcs in the MA which are [censored] obvious but then they have idiocy like the stuff that has been stating all over the forums.
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It is increasingly obvious that the sole criteria for dev action seems to be leveling speed. It looks like it has nothing to do with exploits, abuse, risk or anything else. But if you level fast enough to trip whatever trigger the devs put in place, you get hammered. Those using some discretion seem to be OK.
I have yet to hear of anyone receiving any kind of warning or punishment for ticket farming, for example.
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I'm going to make a pile of level 1s and level pact them to people. Then I'm going to take my absolutely ridiculous SS/Fire Brute and my Fire/Kin Corruptor and go into all boss maps of enemies who do pure fire damage. I think I can get my level 1s to level 50 in under 10 hours despite being level pacted to logged out toons.
I'm also sure with this approach that NCSoft employees would be willing to kindly explain to me if this behavior is "not allowed."
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First and foremost, if you want NCsoft answers, ask NCsoft questions, privately and directly. Asking us won't give you official answers, leaving an implied question floating on a forum for NCsoft to stumble upon and reply to at their leisure won't reliably get you an answer, and demanding an NCsoft answer in a forum question is against forum rules.
Anyway, bearing in mind that I Am Not An NCsoft Employee, I expect the activity above would be judged abusive. We know the devs feel it is abusive to go from creation to max level in four hours by fighting enemies that can't attack, and here you propose going from creation to max level in less than five effective hours by fighting enemies that are custom-designed to attack you only with powers you are maximally resistant against. I really don't see how they could sensibly place the OK/Not-OK dividing line between those two alternatives.