I never understood why some RPers use (()) while talking between global accounts...
As soon as someone joins a team I am on and insists on (()) all the time, I always magically DC.
For some reason, I find (()) to be the most annoying ingame thing of ever.
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As soon as someone joins a team I am on and insists on (()) all the time, I always magically DC.
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((That seems like a very silly reason to DC, does it work on the forums too?))
Infatum on Virtueverse
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As soon as someone joins a team I am on and insists on (()) all the time, I always magically DC.
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((That seems like a very silly reason to DC, does it work on the forums too?))
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((oooh... good question. Only one way to find out))
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This is over the top mental slavery.
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lolasif
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I played Diablo 2. I know a necromancer can do good things.
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Bone Spear FTW.
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Stalkers assassinate people...so do Marines..or SEALS, SWAT if they have to. Punisher kills peolpe all the time. Sometimes they don't even know he's on to them. He just blows the building up.
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None of that makes an assassination any more heroic. I find it harder to justify a Stalker as heroic than I do a Necromancer.
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Heck, I both my main hero and villain are Katana/SR. I always imagined they were using the swords' edges to dismantle weaponry and armor on human targets, then use the flat of the blade to incapacitate their opponents. (But for non-human targets like ghosts, demons and other monsters, it's slice & dice city!)
For my Stalker's Assassin Strike in particular, I figure he's just whacking the opponent in the back of the head very quickly.
But then again, he's a pretty okay guy for a villain; very honor-bound, but extremely self-involved. Mostly, he says he's "evil" because he loathes his good counterpart. I'm actually planning to make him a Hero eventually, so the psychotic Brute version can be the big bad of the story. 
Main Hero: Chad Gulzow-Man (Victory) 50, 1396 Badges
Main Villain: Evil Gulzow-Man (Victory) 50, 1193 Badges
Mission Architect arcs: Doctor Brainstorm's An Experiment Gone Awry, Arc ID 2093
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Originally Posted by Nethergoat
it's NEVER too late to pad your /ignore list!
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Examples of Heroic Necromancy:
1) Lord of the Rings books. Aragorn summons the dead of the Dead Marshes, a story element undoubtedly drawn from...
2) The legend of Drake's Drum. Legend has it that Sir Francis Drake promised should England ever again lay in peril, just bang on his drum and he would return from the dead (along with the rest of the English Fleet that faced the Armada).
3) The Spectre. There's a reason his skin is white. He's a corpse. A reanimated one. True, it was the Voice (God) who originally reanimated him, but by 1970 the Spectre had gone on to his final reward. Dr. Fate and the Justice Society resummoned him from beyond the grave -- all under Comics Code Authority seal of approval, too!
http://comics.org/coverview.lasso?id=23696&zoom=4
4) Kid Eternity. His summoned-from-beyond-the-grave minions had a little bit more color in their cheeks than most zombies, but they were deceased parrots pining for the fjords nevertheless.
5) The Purple Zombie, a 1940s comic book hero who was, well, a purple zombie summoned by an evildoer who turned on his summoner and continued to battle evil.
4) Billy Butcherson, the zombie in the 1993 Disney family film HOCUS POCUS.
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The difference is the Demons don't have loved ones still mourning the loss of Grandma.
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Bah...says who?
I have a hero that is a fire wielding demon and some dude was like "aren't you supposed to be evil?"...what?!? I find it amazing how simple minded most people are. It's basically this. This particular word used to describe this thing means it is bad and this particular word used to describe this particular thing means it is good. That is all you need to know kids.
Anyway, one's only limit is one's imagination.
~ Infinity Heroes ~
Dark Voltage - 50 NRG/NRG/EM Blaster
Shure Shot - 50 Arch/NRG/MM Blaster
Silent Shadow Blade - 50 Katana/SR/BM Scrapper
Uphir - 50 Fire/Fire/Fire Blaster
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Stalkers assassinate people...so do Marines..or SEALS, SWAT if they have to. Punisher kills peolpe all the time. Sometimes they don't even know he's on to them. He just blows the building up.
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None of that makes an assassination any more heroic. I find it harder to justify a Stalker as heroic than I do a Necromancer.
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Semantics. A stalker's power is called an Assassination, but there is absolutely nothing stating stalkers are incapable of delivering incapacitating strikes instead.
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Semantics. A stalker's power is called an Assassination, but there is absolutely nothing stating stalkers are incapable of delivering incapacitating strikes instead.
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That's my feeling on most of these sort of debates. Bringing lore into an RP discussion can be productive, but bringing mechanical nuances, especially something as frivolous as a power name, is just silly.
Infatum on Virtueverse
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2) The legend of Drake's Drum. Legend has it that Sir Francis Drake promised should England ever again lay in peril, just bang on his drum and he would return from the dead (along with the rest of the English Fleet that faced the Armada).
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Isn't that also Arthur and a host of other various kings/warriors/belly dancers?
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Just to clarify something here though.
The line about 'defeat'. Very rarely does it mean anything other than defeat. Jack explicitly stated it was used to allow it to be determined by the mind of the player and that some heroes would be norm for them to kill, and other players would be abherant if they left a bruise.
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Some CoV missions heavily imply killing. Things like "leave no witnesses" or "eliminate all witnesses" as a mission goal and "you left no one alive" during a mission complete.
CoH is much more nebulous, but yeah I think it's meant to be left to your imagination for the most part, except for named characters who continue to come back - they have plot immunity to death :-)
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Very good point. The difference in design theory from Jack, and say, Zeb + Shane. Shane did some wonderful work there in CoV, but it did have to sacrifice alot of the nebulous qualities CoH had going for it.
And well, ya, anyone named is immune to perma-death. Just like the players are 
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Let's Dance!
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And well, ya, anyone named is immune to perma-death. Just like the players are .
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2) The legend of Drake's Drum. Legend has it that Sir Francis Drake promised should England ever again lay in peril, just bang on his drum and he would return from the dead (along with the rest of the English Fleet that faced the Armada).
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Isn't that also Arthur and a host of other various kings/warriors/belly dancers?
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Yes, there is also a magical scottish flag that summons an army of invincible fairies when waved.
The owner offered to stand ready with it during WWII, in case the germans ever got over the channel.
"Men strunt �r strunt och snus �r snus
om ock i gyllne dosor.
Och rosor i ett sprucket krus
�r st�ndigt alltid rosor."
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I don't understand why some people claim that certain things can't ever be seen as good. A common complaint I see is the concept of a Necromancer mastermind doing good deeds but who is to say that all necromancers are evil or cannot be redeemed? What if the person is a scientist who has managed to learn the secret of bringing the dead back to life? This same scientist has decided to dedicate his research to reviving the dead in order to combat crime.
His view of the death is that the person who used to inhabit the body are long gone and now the corpse can be used in order to protect those who are still living. Changing the story around, you can even use the same concept with a magical character. In reality it's the same concept as a demon summoner forcing demons to fight against their own kind.
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The problem with this kind of thinking is that good and evil aren't judged in the mind of the necromancer. They're judged by society. Sure, the necromancer might think he's "good". But society views desecrating corpses as "evil". People might even acknowledge that he does good with them, but most people will see the act of bringing a corpse back to life as evil.
I think the fact the necro is a card carriing hero and free to walk around in public with civi's pointing or running means the society of the game accept them as potentially good.
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My zombie MM is a resurrected corpse himself and only wants vengeance on the person who... did certain unspeakable acts to his body after death. His whole background revolves around him getting together some of his buddies to return the favor.
Now granted, he's not really hero material. But couldn't a Necromancy Mastermind who WAS a zombie leading other like-minded zombies feasibly be a hero?
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That's almost exactly the same idea I have for my Zombie MM.
After dying, she was revived by doctors, but she came back with the ability to talk to spirits and revive their bodies temporarily.
She revived her former bodyguards to help her.
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And well, ya, anyone named is immune to perma-death. Just like the players are .
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Heh, and even then there's nothing stopping another player from 'stealing the character' [perhaps changing the name slightly, and claiming to be the same character].
Ah the joys of shared reality .
Let's Dance!
Not doubting anyones point of view, but I would like to present to you a great example of a heroic undead mastermind: Harry Keogh, the Necroscope!
The Necroscope!'s ability is to talk to the dead. The dead love him for this. So much so that they are willing to reanimate their corpses at times to protect him. All of this without any supernatural spells or portents of any kind on his part. He simply asks, and they rise to help. Heck, IIRC, the first time he didnt even ask as he didnt know they would do that for him. they just DID.
Not trying to prove/disprove anything, just throwing out another point of view.
(The title of the book is the Necroscope! series by Briam Lumley. Great horror read)
"In Fearful Day, In Raging Night,
With Strong Hearts Full, Our Souls Ignite,
When All Seems Lost In The War Of Light,
Look To The Stars,
For Hope Burns Bright!!"
Blue Lantern Oath (MY Corp! ^^)
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I'm basically anti RP. I'd love to see a us grab a team, speed run the STF, go "rogue" then speed run the LRSF, then go back.
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((RP would make you seem less like a ****))
((but you have to use (()) ))
((lolpr))