Discussion - Release Notes for 18.20090422.5T

Wait wait wait, we actually had an animal in the game? I demand chicken enemy NPCs!

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Wow. The Devs's released a post i14 patch that sucked? Surprise surprise.




Wait, I've become THAT guy. The guy who is complaining at everything the devs are doing. Either I've gone through a 180 degree personality change or the devs have been doing idiotic things with the handling of i14.

I wonder which it is...

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Wait wait wait, we actually had an animal in the game? I demand chicken enemy NPCs!

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Here Here!

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I think we're better off without it, exploit or not.

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agreed.

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The maximum number of tickets awarded per player per mission has been reduced to 1,500 tickets. Because you cannot get a partial reward for defeating an enemy, you may end up with slightly less.

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so I guess the whole risk vs. reward thign goes out the window once again in favor of all risk and no reward....sigh, well so much for MA missions....

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so I guess the whole risk vs. reward thign goes out the window once again in favor of all risk and no reward....sigh, well so much for MA missions....

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1500 tickets != 0 reward.

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The maximum number of tickets awarded per player per mission has been reduced to 1,500 tickets. Because you cannot get a partial reward for defeating an enemy, you may end up with slightly less.

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so I guess the whole risk vs. reward thign goes out the window once again in favor of all risk and no reward....sigh, well so much for MA missions....

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You want all risk and no reward? I think I've found that there is more to this patch then they are letting on. I've done two mishs today, and in each of them I came up against at least two closely grouped mobs consisting of an orange boss and two yellow LTs each. Not only that, but I found my attack rate suddenly went down to almost nothing.

Now, I also noticed that I didin't get any debt when I died multiple times - the toon I was on is lvl 16, so she should be getting debt.

It looks to me like the devs are having a little temper tantrum and griefing us all because of the problems they're facing with MA crap.

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It looks to me like the devs are having a little temper tantrum and griefing us all because of the problems they're facing with MA crap.


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If your character is not eligible for any xp/influence/debt reduction rewards in a Mission Architect mission, you will no longer be awarded any tickets for that mission.

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It almost sounds like saying if your level 50, MA does nothing else for you. But thats probably just how I am reading it. Although I don't see how you can't be eligible for influence gain.. True if the mission is under your level, you wouldn't get anything for it anyways. at least in my workings with MA. But one of the things that was bugging me, was not being able to access some of the Arc's. I mean there would be some you could access and others you couldn't, even though they were published and didn't look like farming missions. But I not here to complain, just trying to get a grasp on the complete concept of what they are completely trying to do here.

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When I fight GW, LR, and the rest of the big name AVs on one map and survive.....I'd like some sort of reward to you know actually be worth the effort. Less than 1500 (and as someone above pointed out it seems much less) is really not worth the effort. Because nothing but ticks and insp drop....there is no incentive to use the MA now.....sorry but thats how I see it.

YMMV

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there is no incentive to use the MA now.....sorry but thats how I see it.

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Wow.... so if the missions all gave 1 billion tickets each, but there was no story whatsoever and all the mobs were blank slates like the Ilussionist's Decoy pets, then you'd be happy?

I see MA missions as being their OWN reward. The tickets are just a bonus.

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did I say blank sheets? I said signature AVs at lvl 52-54 with Hard mobs.... not fire imps (which were rightfully killed off)

1500 ticks or less is a waste. It should scale with mission difficulty..... I mean heck my team is taking all the risk, where is the vaulted reward part of the ratio?

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The maximum number of tickets awarded per player per mission has been reduced to 1,500 tickets. Because you cannot get a partial reward for defeating an enemy, you may end up with slightly less.

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so I guess the whole risk vs. reward thign goes out the window once again in favor of all risk and no reward....sigh, well so much for MA missions....

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You want all risk and no reward? I think I've found that there is more to this patch then they are letting on. I've done two mishs today, and in each of them I came up against at least two closely grouped mobs consisting of an orange boss and two yellow LTs each. Not only that, but I found my attack rate suddenly went down to almost nothing.

Now, I also noticed that I didin't get any debt when I died multiple times - the toon I was on is lvl 16, so she should be getting debt.

It looks to me like the devs are having a little temper tantrum and griefing us all because of the problems they're facing with MA crap.

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Conversely, I have run 3 arcs, a total of 7 missions in them and everything spawned exactly as I would expect. In no case did any of the missions come close to the ticket cap.

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did I say blank sheets? I said signature AVs at lvl 52-54 with Hard mobs.... not fire imps (which were rightfully killed off)

1500 ticks or less is a waste. It should scale with mission difficulty..... I mean heck my team is taking all the risk, where is the vaulted reward part of the ratio?

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You avoided the question. Let me state it more directly then. If the MA gave a guaranteed HUGE reward, but had virtually no content... would you quit then, or would you be just as happy?

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I'm not asking for 1 billion tickets, hell I'm not asking for 9999 tickets, but if the mission is hard and takes a well tuned 8 man team to get thru, then it should reward accordingly.

hey if you are all about stories and RP and all that and for you the MA is the reward.....more power to ya. You play the game the way its fun for you and I'll play it my way.

let me rephrase it for you Player, at 1500(or less) there is little incentive other than inf (which I'm sure is on the next thing on the nerf bat list) for me to even take part in the MA. I'm not here to release my inner Bard. I got that out of the way 30 years ago playing PnP D&D in the version 1.0 days. I am here to have some enjoyment, interact with my gaming buddies, have some laughs, and do my part on whatever team I am on.

When I put in the work, I expect to get something in return

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When I put in the work, I expect to get something in return

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When you start calling your gaming time "work", I think it's time to start looking at your priorities.

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did I say blank sheets? I said signature AVs at lvl 52-54 with Hard mobs.... not fire imps (which were rightfully killed off)

1500 ticks or less is a waste. It should scale with mission difficulty..... I mean heck my team is taking all the risk, where is the vaulted reward part of the ratio?

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You avoided the question. Let me state it more directly then. If the MA gave a guaranteed HUGE reward, but had virtually no content... would you quit then, or would you be just as happy?

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You'd have better luck with a question that wasn't a pile of loaded [censored] like "1 billion tickets each" methinks.

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It's a valid hypothetical question, considering that there used to be farms that were almost identical to the question.

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Aww. Why no more chicken tug?



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The long animation lock was causing some people to abuse it and get 'risk free' rewards.

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Huh. I hope they fix it and put it back in. I haven't had the time to actually map that emote to anything and play against it, just saw it in the small animation window and just WTH'd it away for later reference. Oh well.

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did I say blank sheets? I said signature AVs at lvl 52-54 with Hard mobs.... not fire imps (which were rightfully killed off)

1500 ticks or less is a waste. It should scale with mission difficulty..... I mean heck my team is taking all the risk, where is the vaulted reward part of the ratio?

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You avoided the question. Let me state it more directly then. If the MA gave a guaranteed HUGE reward, but had virtually no content... would you quit then, or would you be just as happy?

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no its not. Just cause your a fanboi and the devs do no wrong doesnt really make ppls arguments less valid. I think you missed his point. hes asking for equal risk vs reward. Which the devs selectively use when its in there favor. It was the devs that started teh risk vs reward but yet ignore when ever it is convenient for them. The mobs were already stronger then normal mobs. Then they added range damage that deals out ridiculous amounts of damage. Then if they werent dont spanking us for our naughty farms they nerf teh rewards. He wasnt asking for anything that was unbalanced or unfair.

As to the guys that posted about the devs having a hissy fit. i think your right!!! They give us a system that they worked on for Mos. Then they nerf a few things that granted, was understandable. then they start throwing in overpowered ranged attacks. Banning accounts and type up a huge glorified rant. If that wasnt enough to run off all players. they nerf the rewards. WTF is wrong with the devs and will some1 plz admit them to rehab. they def have a drug problem.

The MA are far from risk vs reward now and like it not MA had brought a lot of live back to smaller populated servers. now its back to where it was it seams or atleast not far from it.

There no way you will convince me they didnt know about these supposed exploits. after Mos of creating and testing the servers. Unless they have very incompetent testers. which i highly doubt.

All ppl are asking for is equal risk vs reward. whats wrong with that? Before you try to tell us that the rewards do equal risk. you will have to explain that in detail. just dont get butt hurt when we prove ya wrong

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When I put in the work, I expect to get something in return

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When you start calling your gaming time "work", I think it's time to start looking at your priorities.

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Not supporting or defending the guy you're arguing with, but
I think you know full well he meant "work" as in "effort." If
you want to do...well, basically anything other than lay in bed
all day, it takes effort to do it. There's nothing wrong with
putting some into a game if you're enjoying it.

Hell, even laying in bed all day takes effort after a point, when
biology starts setting in.

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work...you know like keeping the tank buffed, and throwing holds all over, and heals, and AOE end gain, and FS, and trying not to get squashed like a bug, or mezzed into jello.

You do like to add your own interpretations upon other peoples words dont you, and twist them to support your view.

The ticket nerf (and thats what it was) was dumb. and if you cant see that, then there is no point arguing about it. like I said you play your way for you, I'll do my thing, my way.

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How could they remove the chicken tug??? This completely screws up all of my fantastic RP arcs! Why do the devs hate RP??? I pay $15/month, I should be able to play the way I want! If this change is permanent, I may have to cancel my account! We'll see how long CoX lasts THEN!

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It is truly a sad, sad day when a player can't tug his chicken in the privacy of his own home.

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It's been well established that pulling the monster will get you banned, this is just a logical extrapolation from it.

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no its not. Just cause your a fanboi and the devs do no wrong doesnt really make ppls arguments less valid.

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You must have missed the post where I said that the MA was disappointing because you can't manually place spawns. I got crucified. I'm not a "fanboi".

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no its not. Just cause your a fanboi and the devs do no wrong doesnt really make ppls arguments less valid.

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You must have missed the post where I said that the MA was disappointing because you can't manually place spawns. I got crucified. I'm not a "fanboi".

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I did miss that and if infact you are not a fanboi then i appolgize but thats not the way you come arcoss in your post in this thread

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