An open letter to the Devs, re: PvP
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Alexis_NA,
Posted on: 2009-05-07 17:04 in Everything about PvP
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Can't wait to see you. Pirates of BBQ bay, War Machine and Spearmen are all coming back for GW2. PvPers here don't realize how much of a joke calling CoH pvp 'competitive' really is. Hope everyone joins us in GW2.
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Originally Posted by Skorpian_NA
O M G. After a two year break from the game so much has changed I consider myself a nooob all over again. Its like a reintroduction of sorts but, um errr why do i feel like i need to know advanced physics in order to pvp. I play in PVE and everything seems so familiar so cozy. I play chars that i have had since forever and they just feel natural. THEN, I step into a pvp zone and it feeels like i just walked into the TWILIGHT ZONE. Everything is so alien. My powers dont perform like advertised in pve. I keeep running around RV thinking Ashton Kutcher is gonna jump out at any moment and scream yo, you been punked. Biggest practical joke the Devs ever conceived since ED. Even then i could forge through ed and the Controller "rebalancing" of issue 6. But this this is just wrong on so many levels.
They finally did what we joked about since arena first came. Made everyone Generic Heroes #1-X. For what we have in pvp now why not just Strip the auras, costumes, and capes; take away every power but brawl and let us brawl each other to death. Well basically thats what it is now anyway just a brawl fest with some pretty sparks and now you can color your brawl power a pretty lil pink color. With what we have now rename this to City of Vanilla Flavored manikins. Or better yet City of Vanilla Flavored Manikins vs. KM/scrappers and Psi/EM Blasters. Seriously wtf. O and btw LOve the letter OP/em off to wait for GW2 |
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For the record, I am usually one of those that defends the devs....and cant stand the whiners...buuuut...|
Originally Posted by Tokyo
Can't wait to see you. Pirates of BBQ bay, War Machine and Spearmen are all coming back for GW2. PvPers here don't realize how much of a joke calling CoH pvp 'competitive' really is. Hope everyone joins us in GW2.
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Seriously, I do not think ANYONE calls CoH pvp competitive anymore. I was never a "hardcore build" PvP'er, but did pretty good in my own right with it, and had fun, even on bad days. BUT GEESH! I can't even stand to go into the zones anymore.
I want the old PvP back. I want to get agitated at you hardcore PvPers with your super builds, and laugh when I get lucky!
I remember on boards, warning those that were complaining about PvP.....*sighs*
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Call it awful when you know how to do it properly.|
Originally Posted by Tokyo
Can't wait to see you. Pirates of BBQ bay, War Machine and Spearmen are all coming back for GW2. PvPers here don't realize how much of a joke calling CoH pvp 'competitive' really is. Hope everyone joins us in GW2.
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Otherwise you just sound like someone copying the cool kids.
Aha.
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You know you're doing it properly when you aren't "pvping competitvely" in CoH. d;D
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Originally Posted by Xanatos
Call it awful when you know how to do it properly.
Otherwise you just sound like someone copying the cool kids. Aha. |
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You'd be surprised how many people think they pvp competitively in this game. Check out Xan's post.
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Originally Posted by LukeMinhere
For the record, I am usually one of those that defends the devs....and cant stand the whiners...buuuut...
Seriously, I do not think ANYONE calls CoH pvp competitive anymore. I was never a "hardcore build" PvP'er, but did pretty good in my own right with it, and had fun, even on bad days. BUT GEESH! I can't even stand to go into the zones anymore. I want the old PvP back. I want to get agitated at you hardcore PvPers with your super builds, and laugh when I get lucky! I remember on boards, warning those that were complaining about PvP.....*sighs* |
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I think you just misunderstand when people are talking about Zone PvP vs. 8 v 8 Arena. The latter is competitive in the sense of its one team vs. another rather than just a random free for all of people throwing damage and trying to spam through heal decay. You might also hear terms like "Organized PvP" used in its place. KB barely counts in this case.|
Originally Posted by Tokyo
PvPers here don't realize how much of a joke calling CoH pvp 'competitive' really is.
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No one really considers PvP "Competitive" in the sense of having a full ladder, hundreds of globals, regular practices, matches, things like that.
Not to get into personal attacks that much, but being bad in such an easy game would immediately make me question what said person would know about what competitive really is. Its like saying Chess is an easy game while consistently losing in Candy Land.
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Heh, I was gonna say something along those lines after a certain somebody said they're bad at such an easy game. |
Originally Posted by MrLiberty
Not to get into personal attacks that much, but being bad in such an easy game would immediately make me question what said person would know about what competitive really is. Its like saying Chess is an easy game while consistently losing in Candy Land.
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No, it's not as competitive as other games, there's not the population for it or the difficulty for that matter. However, it can be competitive in a sense of organized PvP, when teams are playing against each other competitively. It's not that hard to understand.
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I wouldn't even consider what we do in zone PvP. sure it can be fun and loads of laughs at other peoples expense, so is KB. They're good pointless fun. Not sure who you are preaching to as I've never considered myself a pvper especially in context with this game (I'd be laughed out of my Corp if I did).|
Originally Posted by MrLiberty
I think you just misunderstand when people are talking about Zone PvP vs. 8 v 8 Arena. The latter is competitive in the sense of its one team vs. another rather than just a random free for all of people throwing damage and trying to spam through heal decay. You might also hear terms like "Organized PvP" used in its place. KB barely counts in this case.
No one really considers PvP "Competitive" in the sense of having a full ladder, hundreds of globals, regular practices, matches, things like that. Not to get into personal attacks that much, but being bad in such an easy game would immediately make me question what said person would know about what competitive really is. Its like saying Chess is an easy game while consistently losing in Candy Land. |
Personal insults make you come across as angry. I hope you're not angry. d;D
You don't pvp, you just hang out in rv trolling people and leeching kills. If you fail in these endeavors you whine in broadcast that you're bored. The worst thing about it is you're so tediously repetitive and so blandly fake. I don't consider myself a badger. I don't hang out in whatever section of the forums badgers frequent and try to convince them that I don't care about it --"mah corp would laugh at mee!"
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I'd love PvP not to be a joke in this game. I'd be lying if I said any different. But I accept it for what it is, a joke. I'm not trying to convince you of anything, I'm telling you it's a joke. A joke can still be fun but recognize it's a joke. :P
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Originally Posted by BattleWraith
You don't pvp, you just hang out in rv trolling people and leeching kills. If you fail in these endeavors you whine in broadcast that you're bored. The worst thing about it is you're so tediously repetitive and so blandly fake. I don't consider myself a badger. I don't hang out in whatever section of the forums badgers frequent and try to convince them that I don't care about it --"mah corp would laugh at mee!"
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I just don't get why you act like you're above those that PVP. I mean if you were any good I could understand. But you're awful.
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Originally Posted by Tokyo
You know you're doing it properly when you aren't "pvping competitvely" in CoH. d;D
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I'm not mad, if anything sad for the state of PvP in a game where it was once much better.|
Originally Posted by Tokyo
I wouldn't even consider what we do in zone PvP. sure it can be fun and loads of laughs at other peoples expense, so is KB. They're good pointless fun. Not sure who you are preaching to as I've never considered myself a pvper especially in context with this game (I'd be laughed out of my Corp if I did).
Personal insults make you come across as angry. I hope you're not angry. d;D |
I really don't need to launch personal attacks in your direction. Its widely known you aren't that good, and as hard as it might be for you to accept, it is nothing personal when I say that. Some players are bad, some are good, some are just mediocre. Some players get better, others don't.
What I will say though is you don't consider yourself a PvP'er but take part in PvP zones and Arena on a build (while not FoTM) follows a trend of PvP builds just makes you come off like you are making excuses for not being that strong of a player in a game that has been established to be both easy and not all that competitive.
All I was really doing was reinforcing what Xanatos said in that, before you call something a joke, you should try to be at least mediocre.
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Nnnnnnneeeeeecro-post!
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Originally Posted by kool_virus
that was indubitably the word of god. Amen
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First, I don't think that you can necro a stickied thread.
Second, please stop the petty bickering and respect the OP. Mac did a great job putting that together and you all are bickering about who is bad and whether the game is a joke.
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I think the game is only as competitive as you make it. I know I only play to egg on other players, try to get the occasional pvp drop, and for fun. Besides that there is no stat tracking, Kill/Death or win/loss ratios, rewards for playing more, and reputation is worthless unless you think having that badge really makes you something.
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You don't have to be a PvPer to realize PvP is in desperate need of repair I.E. a joke and continuing to insult me won't change the fact that it is. I'm sorry if the truth makes you mad.|
Originally Posted by MrLiberty
I'm not mad, if anything sad for the state of PvP in a game where it was once much better.
I really don't need to launch personal attacks in your direction. Its widely known you aren't that good, and as hard as it might be for you to accept, it is nothing personal when I say that. Some players are bad, some are good, some are just mediocre. Some players get better, others don't. What I will say though is you don't consider yourself a PvP'er but take part in PvP zones and Arena on a build (while not FoTM) follows a trend of PvP builds just makes you come off like you are making excuses for not being that strong of a player in a game that has been established to be both easy and not all that competitive. All I was really doing was reinforcing what Xanatos said in that, before you call something a joke, you should try to be at least mediocre. |
Mac accepted this truth a long time ago and he moved on.... well sort of, I've seen him around on virtue.
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No one has denied the state of PvP, doesn't mean you still can't have fun with it, you obviously still do. Also, I don't think it's really an insult if he's just repeating something that you've already admitted to, being bad at an easy game.|
Originally Posted by Tokyo
You don't have to be a PvPer to realize PvP is in desperate need of repair I.E. a joke and continuing to insult me won't change the fact that it is. I'm sorry if the truth makes you mad.
Mac accepted this truth a long time ago and he moved on.... well sort of, I've seen him around on virtue. |
I'm sorry that you think everyone's mad, saying it repeatedly won't make it true.
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Travel suppression really blows...my mind. Yeah. That's all I have to say about that. Oh and it was created by Satan.
Kill the enemy. Take their souls. Drink their blood.
What are you all crying about now?
I seem to remember this CORE group of pvp players you speak of complaing about PFF constantly.
You wanted PFF nerfed and you got it...You cried to the Devs about PFF, and TP, SO low and behold we get travel supression ,and a PFF nerf..
Yet Noooooobody nerfed Hibernate....Hibernooob
Is that fair?......NO!
So in the mean time you lost alot of other stuff that benefits your build...OH BOO HOO!
Kinda the way it goes. As the old saying goes..What comes around goes around. 
I have a great idea ! Someone should find a way to combine broken PFF power with noob phase power. That would be sooooooo pro !
So out of your complaints to the DEVS about people TPing in and then AS'ing targets....we get
Travel Supression?
Travel supression IS PATHETIC!
If you are a Elec Blaster...You cant move if you are in flight....and popping a insp...HOLDS YOU?
You are held there after you shoot as a elec blaster...Heck most Blasters in that sense.
Friggin held...You cant advance on a target which is a good distance away...Oh boy,that was clearly thought out...Look,It was a hard time back then,lots of pressure. I get that, but the travel supression needs to be dropped...If nothing else...Ill even keep the PFF nerf if you just ,atleast ,drop the useless travel supression..
Why?
Because some noob that is not even with the company anymore thought it was a good idea and this somehow justified his paycheck?....sad
Travel Supression is to PVP what Phantom Menace is to STAR WARS!
Funny, I now see people use the AR cocktail....Yes,brilliant,I know.
Since it's been on my mind lately, I thought I'd just chime in again to say I detest walking into PvP zones since the i13 changes.
Thank you. The end.
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Sort of off-topic, but why did they decide to merge the PvP sections? I can't imagine it improved anything, if anything it just made the PvP forums more confusing to read.
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