A final, maybe stickieable, word on farming?
By
300_below,
Posted on: 2009-04-27 06:21 in Mission Architect
General reply:
I'm just back for the Reactivation Weekend, and I've found the MA to be both a great asset to the game and a sign of things to come.
I was able, in the course of 2 days, to get my level 8 scrapper to 32 and a newly made controller to 42. For me, this was great, as I always view my characters as "complete" only once they are in the 30+ range.
This is bad, too, as I had a lengthy conversation with a person playing a WS, who not only didn't know how to use/create keybinds, but he had only just joined the game a week or so ago.
In some ways, the ability to quickly level a character is great - I can try all those builds out that I would of never had the patience for. It does worry me, though - those experienced in playing CoH can pretty much pick up any character and get the hang of them in a few minutes. What about anew player? Even if they are familiar w/ MMOs, how good are they going to be able to play a PL'd controller, or defender? Scrappers and tankers are fairly straightforward, but others I'm not so sure of.
It's too bad there's no middle ground - where you have to level up at least 1 character the "old fashioned way" before you can PL. Get an appreciation for playing a controller through the teens, understand why getting that status protection power means so much on your tanker. Learn the joy of getting a full attack chain on a blaster...
I just want to have my cake and eat it too...
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[And in doing so make the game frustraing for those of us who like to play in a reasonable, intelligent fashion not governed by go-fever and treasure-lust.
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Must be nice to have the right to force others to do things your way to satisfy your whims
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You tell me. You're the one forcing me to put up with things I find frustrating.
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Please expand on how one group farming is intruding on how you play your game?
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You make the gaming environment frustrating. I have to choose between turning off the broadcast channel, or else put up with hundreds of farm-spam an hour just on the off chance that someone says something I want to hear. That is frustrating, and frustrating equals not fun.
It is growing increasingly difficult to put together a team for non-AE content at all, let alone non-farm AE content. Three out of four times I invited someone to a team today, the person would join, and then immediately quit when they found out we'd be doing missions rather than just farming. Six out of the six teams I was invited to today were AE farm teams, despite my search comment being "I DO NOT FARM! NO EXCEPTIONS!" That is frustrating, and frustrating equals not fun.
The lag caused by the gathering o' farmers is frustrating. Frustrating equals not fun.
The fact that, like others here have found, no one is interested in playing story arcs that actually have stories, despite the hours one puts into their AE creations is frustrating. Frustrating equals not fun.
The arrogant, overbearing, and pushy attitude farmers have toward non-farmers is frustrating. (Best example? How about the human toadstool who, just a couple of posts ago in this very thread, called me lazy and stupid, which, given that the entire concept of farming is based on "I don't want to have to actually play the game" is also hypocrisy writ large?) Frustrating equals non-fun.
The utter lack of concern farmers hold toward other people is frustrating. When we non-farmers bring up how we dislike the entire City of Farmers problem, your immediate reaction is to poo-poo our concerns as if we weren't really feeling what we were feeling (or even better, tell us we have no justification for our feelings), and that we have to allow you to play as you like and are evil or something for even considering trying to make farming harder for you... but that we, the non-farmers, just have to suck it up when you, the farmers, make it harder for us to have fun too. That's frustrating. And frustrating equals not fun.
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Because all you are saying to those of us on the other side is that "You guys should be made to play like I want you to" All we are saying is "We should be allowed to play like we want and you should be allowed to play like you want as long as noone is breaking any rules."
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Ah, but "not breaking any rules" isn't good enough, I'm afraid. Its entirely possible in this game to treat another human being like fecal material without breaking any rules; the fact that its not against the rules doesn't make it right.
If what you are doing makes things less fun for me, then you should be willing to compromise with me to make things fun for both of us. I'm certainly willing. I've yet to hear one farmer say anything of the sort, however; as I have already pointed out, the average response from farmers is "S T F U!".
Really constructive. And frustrating. And you should know by now what frustrating equals.
Addendum: The atttitude the farmers are displaying now really reflects back to the gankers and the poo monkeys who used to howl and rage and beat their chests any time anyone suggested that it wasn't their perfect right to screw over other human beings in PvP. Not just beat them, but humiliate them, make fun of them, insult them, and drive them out of PvP.
Are you guys really sure you want *that* to be your representative attitude?
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Ahhhh...but that is the rub isn't it. YOU haven't given us any middle ground either. Your entire stance is for us to stop doing what we like to do. You don't see any of us complaing about your mission teams. We just drop and move on to something we want to do. Did you explain to them that you were doing missions before you invited them? Or did you just blindly invite them even though you have the same problems with it. You can't do something yourself, then complain when someone else does it to you on the other end of the spectrum.
Once more, I ask anyone who wishes to calm down and have a serious debate about this to PM me and we'll talk. But this everyone should be forced somehow to play like me crap is getting very old.
Where is the live and let live?
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This is bad, too, as I had a lengthy conversation with a person playing a WS, who not only didn't know how to use/create keybinds, but he had only just joined the game a week or so ago.
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I have been playing the game for quite awhile and keybinds are still something of a problematic mystery to me. Seeing as I managed to take my mastermind to 50 and use it effectively in both PVE and PVP i'd say they are pretty much optional.
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If it is a bug, then you shouldn't profit from it. Thus my suggestion to remove the ill-gotten 50s.
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You sure your'e not a farmer just trying to discredit the RPers ?
But Yes Absolutely Remove the 50s.
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Ahhhh...but that is the rub isn't it. YOU haven't given us any middle ground either. Your entire stance is for us to stop doing what we like to do.
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Straw Man: The Straw Man fallacy is committed when a person simply ignores a person's actual position and substitutes a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented version of that position.
In this specific case:
1. Cassandra Corte holds that farming is causing her to be frustrated with the game, thus ruining her ability to have fun in that game. She is also frustrated with the attitude farmers take (namely that they shouldn't have to change their behavior at all, regardless of the fact that said behavior is a cause of frustration for certain other players), because she believes that, as adults, there should be some sort of middle ground where everyone can at least be mostly happy.
2. Shadowstepper responds by saying that Cassandra Corte wants farmers to stop farming all together. This is an incorrect, invalid, and distorted version of Cassandra Corte's actual opinion.
3. Shadowstepper "refuted" this false version of Cassandra Corte's position by saying that it is unreasonable, and that Cassandra Corte refuses to compromise thusly.
4. Therefore, Cassandra Corte's actual position is supposedly incorrect on the basis of the refutation of the distorted version, rather than on its own merits.
This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious because attacking a distorted version of a position simply does not constitute an attack on the position itself.
In short, if you are going to respond to what I am saying, respond to what I am saying and not to what you so desperately wish I was saying because what you wish I was saying is so easy to refute.
I specifically said let's find some way to compromise. If you go back through all my posts, not once did I ever type "stop farming".
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You don't see any of us complaing about your mission teams.
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Red Herring: A Red Herring is a fallacy in which an irrelevant topic is presented in order to divert attention from the original issue. The basic idea is to "win" an argument by leading attention away from the argument and to another topic.
In this specific example:
1. Farming is under discussion.
2. Shadowstepper raises the question of mission teams under the guise of being relevant to farming (when mission teams are not, in fact, relevant to farming).
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We just drop and move on to something we want to do. Did you explain to them that you were doing missions before you invited them?
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Yes, actually, I did. I alway send introductory tells when I invite people, letting them know what sort of team its is. I do this because I'm considerate.
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Or did you just blindly invite them even though you have the same problems with it. You can't do something yourself, then complain when someone else does it to you on the other end of the spectrum.
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And now we're back to Red Herrings.
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Once more, I ask anyone who wishes to calm down and have a serious debate about this to PM me and we'll talk. But this everyone should be forced somehow to play like me crap is getting very old.
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And a return to Straw Men.
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Where is the live and let live?
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And yet another Straw Man.
Are you planning on going back and actually addressing my points now that you're done playing your silly games?
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Straw Man: The Straw Man fallacy is committed when a person simply ignores a person's actual position and substitutes a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented version of that position.
In this specific case:
1. Cassandra Corte holds that farming is causing her to be frustrated with the game, thus ruining her ability to have fun in that game. She is also frustrated with the attitude farmers take (namely that they shouldn't have to change their behavior at all, regardless of the fact that said behavior is a cause of frustration for certain other players), because she believes that, as adults, there should be some sort of middle ground where everyone can at least be mostly happy.
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Really and just where is this unarticulated middle ground that you have presented as a position ?
I must have missed it amongst the over the top ranting posts you have made.
I'm stilll waiting for your point. The only thing there is other people enjoying the game in a manner completely legal, and has nothing to do with me, frustates me. I don't have fun at opera....opera houses should be shut down. I don't have fun in parks, all parks should be shut down. I don't have fun at museums, all museums should be shut down.
All of these are services I pay for with my tax dollars. All of them are available for my use if i choose to utilize them or not. I don't see how my dislike of them in anyway invalidates other people's enjoyment of the events nor does their enjoyment impact in the slightest my enjoyment of the DNR wildelife hike....also paid for by the same tax money. Please. Continue this in PM's if you wish to continue. This thread is very close to being eaten by Mod 8.
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1. Cassandra Corte holds that farming is causing her to be frustrated with the game, thus ruining her ability to have fun in that game. She is also frustrated with the attitude farmers take (namely that they shouldn't have to change their behavior at all, regardless of the fact that said behavior is a cause of frustration for certain other players), because she believes that, as adults, there should be some sort of middle ground where everyone can at least be mostly happy.
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As far as I can see, there are three possible things going on that cause you distress:
a) farmers breaking rules
b) secondary effects such as having farm mission mixed in with non farm missions in AE and such as more spam in chat
c) a lack of people to team with that wants to do what she wants
A is the only real and viable problem caused by farmers - specifically rule-breaking farmers. However, I bet the majority, if not totality, of the frsutrations she is experiencing is caused by B or C.
B is a real problem, and a feel for Cassandra and others who experience, but what you all have to understand is that these issues aren't caused by the farmers, they are caused by how the game works, and as such, can ONLY be fixed by them devs changing the game - for example, to keep all AE chat inside the AE buildings and not let it out in to the city zone. There is nothing the farmers can do about how the game works.
C is not a real problem - I mean, it's a problem for Cassandra, but it is not a game problem. If Cassandra wants to do a Task Force and not enough people who are on want to join her, then it sucks to be her, but she is not being wronged in any way. Perhaps she would be better served by either finding content she wants to do that she can do with the people she has (or solo), or by learning to enjoy the content that most people are doing.
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2. Shadowstepper raises the question of mission teams under the guise of being relevant to farming (when mission teams are not, in fact, relevant to farming).
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You have just made an assertion: that mission teams are not relevant to farming in the context of his point. That may be, but first you have to demonstrate that that is in fact true.
Just my $.02
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Careful AF, the obvious isn't welcome here.
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1. Cassandra Corte holds that the way other people play the same game is causing her to be frustrated with the game, thus ruining her ability to have fun in that game. She is also frustrated with the attitude that players who do something she does not personally like take (namely that they shouldn't have to change their behavior at all, regardless of the fact that said behavior is a cause of frustration for certain other players), because she believes that, as adults, other people should be forced to change their behavior because she seems to be unable to control or deal with her own frustration.
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Fixed that for you, Cassandra. Seems to fit better...
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1. Cassandra Corte holds that farming is causing her to be frustrated with the game, thus ruining her ability to have fun in that game.
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please elaborate how Farming(not exploiting ritki or bugged missions) prevents you from enjoying the game?
I am not here to please you. I am also not here to help you enjoy this game. I could care less how frustrated you are. Because I am not the cause of your frustration and neither is farming in the general sense of the term. go back and read how my group has fun.
Enlighten me on how my friends and I are interacting with you in any way? We do not use broadcast because we have our own accounts and do not need fillers. We do not powerlevel new people to the game and we do not allow anyone to join our challenge maps. We do nothing to you nor do we interact with you in any way. We are always hidden from team searches so we are not even turning you down for regular mission teams. Yet you insist I meet you in the middle so you can feel better about your self?
How about NO! How about you learn that life is not fair and you cannot get everything you want and some times compromise isn't gonna happen.
I will not bend over backwards to ease your frustration that I have nothing to do with. Maybe all you need is fresh eyes on the game. Maybe you are afraid of change. Maybe you are used to getting your way. And like I said if you want it your way take your 15$ to burgerking cause I aint hearing it. 
I joined the CoH community about 2 days after launch. I left a few weeks after Issue 2. I came back a few weeks before Issue 9 and have stayed here since (well, I did go to Tabula Rasa for a month, but then they gave me 3 more months of CoH and I realized that me and CoH were meant to be). I have always, and I mean constantly, been annoyed by the conversations and general stupidity on the broadcast channel (mainly in Atlas, but other zones as well). I have resorted to keeping broadcast turned off at most times. I find that frustrating. I am not frustrated by the calls for fillers/farms or AE. I am actually frustrated from the normal level of stupidity that gravitates to broadcast.
I am inudated with team requests (and have been since I9) even though my search comments usually include "I do not want to team" or "LEAVE ME ALONE", or "Not Interested, Go Away".
I have little sympathy for your frustration. I am sure that everyone that plays CoX have something that frustrates us. We either deal with it or we go somewhere else, because most of the things that annoy some people do not ruin the game for the majority, and if it does not bother enough people in this game, then (for the most part) it is not worth the time of the Devs to change it.
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We just drop and move on to something we want to do. Did you explain to them that you were doing missions before you invited them?
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Yes, actually, I did. I alway send introductory tells when I invite people, letting them know what sort of team its is. I do this because I'm considerate.
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It seems to me that you are frustrated by inconsiderate people, and I agree. And I may evev agree that many of the "farmers" are inconsiderate (not sure I do, but I *might* be persuaded on that). But you have not explained to me how MA and/or farming is the problem, you apparently don't like the people that are making it obvious that they are doing it. I submit that the inconsiderate people that annoy you are going to be inconsiderate no matter what, and that MA is not the problem.
I hope they fix the Rikti Comm Officers, and I know the fix is coming soon, but unless they re-design MA from the ground up, it is going to remain "farm friendly". As I see it (and I am NOT trying to be rude) your only options are to adapt or to leave. I suggest trying to adapt and play the game that ALL of us here enjoy. If we did not enjoy it then I doubt we would be so passionate about this discussion.
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Careful AF, the obvious isn't welcome here.
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the one you are trying to get coherency out of needs professional help. She is the person that goes to a football game and is offended by people cheering.
Lots of 50's yada yada. still finding fun things to do.
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I know we are all feeling a little defensive here, but let's no go to ad hominem attacks and instead let's keep it more civil - this is supposed to be a stickeable thread, not one that begs to be locked.
For Great Justice!
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Ahhhh...but that is the rub isn't it. YOU haven't given us any middle ground either. Your entire stance is for us to stop doing what we like to do.
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Straw Man: The Straw Man fallacy is committed when a person simply ignores a person's actual position and substitutes a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented version of that position.
In this specific case:
1. Cassandra Corte holds that farming is causing her to be frustrated with the game, thus ruining her ability to have fun in that game. She is also frustrated with the attitude farmers take (namely that they shouldn't have to change their behavior at all, regardless of the fact that said behavior is a cause of frustration for certain other players), because she believes that, as adults, there should be some sort of middle ground where everyone can at least be mostly happy.
2. Shadowstepper responds by saying that Cassandra Corte wants farmers to stop farming all together. This is an incorrect, invalid, and distorted version of Cassandra Corte's actual opinion.
3. Shadowstepper "refuted" this false version of Cassandra Corte's position by saying that it is unreasonable, and that Cassandra Corte refuses to compromise thusly.
4. Therefore, Cassandra Corte's actual position is supposedly incorrect on the basis of the refutation of the distorted version, rather than on its own merits.
This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious because attacking a distorted version of a position simply does not constitute an attack on the position itself.
In short, if you are going to respond to what I am saying, respond to what I am saying and not to what you so desperately wish I was saying because what you wish I was saying is so easy to refute.
I specifically said let's find some way to compromise. If you go back through all my posts, not once did I ever type "stop farming".
Not.
Once.
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You don't see any of us complaing about your mission teams.
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Red Herring: A Red Herring is a fallacy in which an irrelevant topic is presented in order to divert attention from the original issue. The basic idea is to "win" an argument by leading attention away from the argument and to another topic.
In this specific example:
1. Farming is under discussion.
2. Shadowstepper raises the question of mission teams under the guise of being relevant to farming (when mission teams are not, in fact, relevant to farming).
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We just drop and move on to something we want to do. Did you explain to them that you were doing missions before you invited them?
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Yes, actually, I did. I alway send introductory tells when I invite people, letting them know what sort of team its is. I do this because I'm considerate.
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Or did you just blindly invite them even though you have the same problems with it. You can't do something yourself, then complain when someone else does it to you on the other end of the spectrum.
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And now we're back to Red Herrings.
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Once more, I ask anyone who wishes to calm down and have a serious debate about this to PM me and we'll talk. But this everyone should be forced somehow to play like me crap is getting very old.
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And a return to Straw Men.
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Where is the live and let live?
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And yet another Straw Man.
Are you planning on going back and actually addressing my points now that you're done playing your silly games?
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Hahahaha. Only on the internet, I swear. Anywhere else, someone would be too ashamed to call people out for doing the same stuff they'd been doing for half a week.
This post is absolute 24k gold. I'm going to save it to a .txt file, and refer to it when I think I have a reason to bust on someone, just so I can remember what an idiot people who have zero self awareness sound like.
i just watched the movie "rachels getting married" and it made more sence than this whole thread does...lol.
j/k
I have zero idea how hard it would be to implement, but I do have a suggestion:
1. Seriously need to fix rikti communicators.
2. Bring the smack down to known and obvious farming maps and possibly punish the heavy users.
AND/OR
Institute serious DR on repeating a mission. Most farms are done by repeating an easy mission, but activating a DR curve to it will help diminish this issue quite a bit. This will also have no effect on normal players, as they're probably not repeating arcs over and over anyways.
3. Farming practically must exist, but if it does, let it be an official and well controlled version. Introduce "Skip" arcs for leveling up to various level ranges. Each level range of a skip arc must be unlocked by getting 10 levels above the skip level the old fashioned way, or restricting based on active account time. Prevents noobs from super PLing to 50 and being... well, noobs.
4. There is a hole, though, as one can simply re-publish a mission. Maybe have it so people who are repeat offenders to creating supremely 'effective' farm maps get punished in some way.
5. If we want power leveling of any kind to essentially STOP, they could try to find away to cap exp rate.
Once again, I haven't a clue how hard this would be to implement.
On the topic of PLing, I do do it sometimes, but it's only to skip over the parts of the game that suck, like life before level20. My biggest "offense" level wise was a recent re-roll of a scrapper of mine. Was a lvl40 Claw/WP, re-rolled with a PL as a Katana/WP, he's now at lvl46. Take that how you want it, cause I think what I'm doing, though not great, is understandable. Letting clueless people go straight to 50, however, isn't understandable at all.
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I know we are all feeling a little defensive here, but let's no go to ad hominem attacks and instead let's keep it more civil - this is supposed to be a stickeable thread, not one that begs to be locked.
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To make this have potential for stickiness, I think you'd do well to pull out the insulting bit in your original post:
"3) insanely pro-RP and with a personal vendetta against people who play the game in ways one doesn't approve of
(which is more than a little cuckoo)"
And add a few missing categories:
New 3) Have a strong sense of what you consider just, and hate to see anyone in anyway gaming a system to the point that your efforts pale in comparison.
New 4) You believe you are in tune with what will keep this game healthy and moving along into the future as a viable and populated MMO for years to come. You believe blatant power-levelling and overwhelming farming focus will lower CoH to having a reputation as a console game with a great costume creator and a shelf life of three months.
New 5) You like things how they were, you absorb and enjoy a little bit of change. MA has introduced and exposed some very large changes to the way you are used to playing and you'd like your old game back.
Might make the difference between a sticky and a locked thread to start off fair handed rather than with a poisoned false alternative.
Personally I'm in category two, but category 4 is a good one to pay some attention to; this seems like a great (and communicative) development team, and I thnk they'll cover it just fine.
Frankly what many people are calling farming was called playing or grinding in most every other MMORPG I've played going back to The Realm. I probably killed a million Lugians in the same place day after day for months in Asheron's call just to raise my dagger skill a few percentage points.
I don't think I agree with the implementation he suggested, but I am in 110% agreement with the basic reason:
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Farming practically must exist, but if it does, let it be an official and well controlled version.
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For Great Justice!
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I know we are all feeling a little defensive here, but let's no go to ad hominem attacks and instead let's keep it more civil - this is supposed to be a stickeable thread, not one that begs to be locked.
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To make this have potential for stickiness, I think you'd do well to pull out the insulting bit in your original post:
"3) insanely pro-RP and with a personal vendetta against people who play the game in ways one doesn't approve of
(which is more than a little cuckoo)"
And add a few missing categories:
New 3) Have a strong sense of what you consider just, and hate to see anyone in anyway gaming a system to the point that your efforts pale in comparison.
New 4) You believe you are in tune with what will keep this game healthy and moving along into the future as a viable and populated MMO for years to come. You believe blatant power-levelling and overwhelming farming focus will lower CoH to having a reputation as a console game with a great costume creator and a shelf life of three months.
New 5) You like things how they were, you absorb and enjoy a little bit of change. MA has introduced and exposed some very large changes to the way you are used to playing and you'd like your old game back.
Might make the difference between a sticky and a locked thread to start off fair handed rather than with a poisoned false alternative.
Personally I'm in category two, but category 4 is a good one to pay some attention to; this seems like a great (and communicative) development team, and I thnk they'll cover it just fine.
Frankly what many people are calling farming was called playing or grinding in most every other MMORPG I've played going back to The Realm. I probably killed a million Lugians in the same place day after day for months in Asheron's call just to raise my dagger skill a few percentage points.
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I take your point, and while I am not feeling your suggested alternatives, I will be editing the OP today to make it more stickie worthy, if permitted. Thanks for the feedback.
For Great Justice!
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I'm stilll waiting for your point.
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I've made my point. Several times. You are now willfully ignoring it... probably because you can't come up with anything actually relevant to say that shows my point to be incorrect or invalid.
You're obviously not actually interested in finding a common solution that solves the problem. You're just here to call people names, like pretty much every pro-farmer.
Very mature.
I'm done with you. You're not worth my time, or the time of any other intelligent person.
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1. Cassandra Corte holds that the way other people play the same game is causing her to be frustrated with the game, thus ruining her ability to have fun in that game. She is also frustrated with the attitude that players who do something she does not personally like take (namely that they shouldn't have to change their behavior at all, regardless of the fact that said behavior is a cause of frustration for certain other players), because she believes that, as adults, other people should be forced to change their behavior because she seems to be unable to control or deal with her own frustration.
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Fixed that for you, Cassandra. Seems to fit better...
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Straw Man and Ad Hominem combined. <Yawn> Go back to the kiddie table and let the grownups talk.
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1. Cassandra Corte holds that farming is causing her to be frustrated with the game, thus ruining her ability to have fun in that game.
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please elaborate how Farming(not exploiting ritki or bugged missions) prevents you from enjoying the game?
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I already have. At length. Look it up.
As for not being here to please me, has it occurred to you geniuses that the same applies to the other side of the aisle?
Of course it hasn't. You're too self-involved to show that sort of awareness.
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I submit that the inconsiderate people that annoy you are going to be inconsiderate no matter what, and that MA is not the problem.
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And thus, because you can't solve the problem completely, trying to do something that alleviates at least some of the problem is not worth doing.
That, sir, is a base and idiotic argument.
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Hahahaha. Only on the internet, I swear. Anywhere else, someone would be too ashamed to call people out for doing the same stuff they'd been doing for half a week.
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Your ad hominem attack would be more clever if it had even the scintilla of truth to it. Unfortunately, it doesn't. But nice try. Please go back to the kiddie table and let the grownups talk.
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3) Have a strong sense of what you consider just, and hate to see anyone in anyway gaming a system to the point that your efforts pale in comparison.
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While that may be diplomatic its very much less than usefull. . Whatever you are doing there will always be people doing better than you. If you have a problem with this its yours not theirs
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I'm stilll waiting for your point.
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I've made my point. Several times. You are now willfully ignoring it... probably because you can't come up with anything actually relevant to say that shows my point to be incorrect or invalid.
You're obviously not actually interested in finding a common solution that solves the problem. You're just here to call people names, like pretty much every pro-farmer.
Very mature.
I'm done with you. You're not worth my time, or the time of any other intelligent person.
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1. Cassandra Corte holds that the way other people play the same game is causing her to be frustrated with the game, thus ruining her ability to have fun in that game. She is also frustrated with the attitude that players who do something she does not personally like take (namely that they shouldn't have to change their behavior at all, regardless of the fact that said behavior is a cause of frustration for certain other players), because she believes that, as adults, other people should be forced to change their behavior because she seems to be unable to control or deal with her own frustration.
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Fixed that for you, Cassandra. Seems to fit better...
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Straw Man and Ad Hominem combined. <Yawn> Go back to the kiddie table and let the grownups talk.
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1. Cassandra Corte holds that farming is causing her to be frustrated with the game, thus ruining her ability to have fun in that game.
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please elaborate how Farming(not exploiting ritki or bugged missions) prevents you from enjoying the game?
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I already have. At length. Look it up.
As for not being here to please me, has it occurred to you geniuses that the same applies to the other side of the aisle?
Of course it hasn't. You're too self-involved to show that sort of awareness.
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I submit that the inconsiderate people that annoy you are going to be inconsiderate no matter what, and that MA is not the problem.
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And thus, because you can't solve the problem completely, trying to do something that alleviates at least some of the problem is not worth doing.
That, sir, is a base and idiotic argument.
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Hahahaha. Only on the internet, I swear. Anywhere else, someone would be too ashamed to call people out for doing the same stuff they'd been doing for half a week.
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Your ad hominem attack would be more clever if it had even the scintilla of truth to it. Unfortunately, it doesn't. But nice try. Please go back to the kiddie table and let the grownups talk.
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1984 was not meant as a how to guide
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They made it apparent to the devs with exactly the same result as if they had filed a bug report.
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Not if they proceeded to exploit that bug to their advantage, over and over. Most responsible bug reporters don't do that.
That's like, oh, saying the bank should thank you and give you money for proving they were insecure by robbing them.
Now, maybe if the Devs awarded Bug Hunter and deleted all the new 50s... that might be fair.
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Yeah. that'll work great. I mean. theres no chance at all that deleting a few hundred toons for even so much as daring to run a single farm will backlash.
see. its people like you that makes roleplayers like me look bad.
because your solution to any imagined slight isnt to be mature and talk it out. Its to suggest random bouts of dev-enabled griefing against all who dont enjoy your futa catgirl pocket D antics.
Not to mention, really., outside comm farms, farming isnt really an exploit. And comm farms are far less profitable once the patch on test releases,
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