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sorry. Infinity has roleplayers too. :P. We just dont advertise on other servers like the virtue catgurl brigades. And don't get me wrong, I like smashing things too, i just wonder why people seem to always treat roleplayers like theyre a disease that needs to be erased from roleplaying games
I have nothing against you if you don't want to rp, I just dislike when roleplayers get treated like some sort of virus for having the gall to exist.
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My gripe is the complaining that someone else's playstyle/enjoyment interferes with their enjoyment of the game. I RP, on weekends, with my friends, in a D&D campaign that has been going on for almost 15 years. However, you don't see me yelling at the guys next door to stop practicing their band because we want to RP. It is the same principle. The main response was to the post earlier that didn't understand why non roleplayers were even playing a "roleplaying game". I'm telling you that I am not playing a role playing game, I am playing an action adventure game.
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true. I was mostly replying to the people comparing roleplayers to Jehovah's witnesses, a group of religious people with a reputation for being annoying people you just want to fall into a pit and die.
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Jehovah's witnesses arent too bad if you answer the door wearing a loincloth, a goathead mask, and carrying a kriss blade. You look at the and say "the sacrafices are here!". they dont hang around much after that.
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actually I find the best way to repel them is to inform them you're Catholic. For some reason it sends them fleeing. >>
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i just wonder why people seem to always treat roleplayers like theyre a disease that needs to be erased from roleplaying games
I have nothing against you if you don't want to rp, I just dislike when roleplayers get treated like some sort of virus for having the gall to exist.
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Let me see we have umpteen threads where RPers are complaining about X on a RP basis, Y is Killing the RP game, minor point Z is against cannon, W has to be nerfed for rp reason V, etc etc, and you wonder why there is negative reaction ??
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If you have food in your fridge nothing gets rid of Roleplayers.*
*There is a rumor that downgrading to basic cable might
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i just wonder why people seem to always treat roleplayers like theyre a disease that needs to be erased from roleplaying games
I have nothing against you if you don't want to rp, I just dislike when roleplayers get treated like some sort of virus for having the gall to exist.
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Let me see we have umpteen threads where RPers are complaining about X on a RP basis, Y is Killing the RP game, minor point Z is against cannon, W has to be nerfed for rp reason V, etc etc, and you wonder why there is negative reaction ??
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To be fair, it works the same way the other way round when farmers or content addicts scream about how thing X is unbalanced or how unfair power z is, or how unfair nerf xyz was
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And I point and laugh at that gripe too 
the identity just helps me keep them separate...especially when they give it to themselves.
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To be fair, it works the same way the other way round when farmers or content addicts scream about how thing X is unbalanced or how unfair power z is, or how unfair nerf xyz was
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Really ? I have seen content addicts scream, I have seen market addicts scream, both usually correctly and with outstanding arguments about how x will affect the game based on broader reasons than just their own little niche.
With RPers it usually boils down to a few things.
1. It violates RP (An argument that can be used in any manner any way any time)
2. Its destroying RP in the game, which reduces down to given an opportunity to play the game in a different fashion people chose it. This thread is a prime example, of RP outrage over most not choosing to worship at this alter.
3. Its against cannon. This one is usually brought up against a COX merger, or even market consolidation.
Well when you make weak arguments against how others like to play the game and when their actions do nothing to prevent you from playing it however you like, what do you expect the reaction to be ?
I was opposed to farming, but I was able to mostly ignore it until MA hit. Sure, I got the occasional invite to fill or farm, which I politely declined.
Since I14, it's been a different story, even on Virtue (the only server I play on). Broadcast has become jammed with farm chatter, not just in Atlas or PI but every zone where an AE building exists - which, thanks to the Devs, is most of them. Likewise, the MA system itself is jammed with farm missions without any pretense to story or anything but maximizing xp/time.
I was willing to try to ignore farming, but the farmers have made it impossible to do so - unless I get rid of broadcast, set myself to /hide, and remove other game features that I believe I should be able to use and enjoy like any other player. I don't think that's fair. And then there's the increased difficulty of finding arcs in the AE browser that I might actually want to play, and the likelihood that options will be taken away from me as a mission creator in order to close loopholes that have been exploited by farm makers and players.
I tried to turn a blind eye, and I managed for years, but I can't anymore. The farmers are that noisy now, even on Virtue.
I feel sorry for the Devs, too. I doubt that "50 in a day" was what they had in mind when they came up with the MA. I imagine that for them, it's a bit like giving kids an Erector set to see what marvelous things they build, and coming back into the room ten minutes later to find them stabbing and hitting each other over the head with the pieces.
My characters at Virtueverse
Faces of the City
That is not a problem with farming. The problem is apparently these farmers (who are apparently large in number according to your report) either do not have or are not encouraged to use an alternate method of getting the job done - whatever job the communication they are involved in when you notice them is trying to get done.
Make the other methods more effective and they will use them.
I am convinced more and more that the ultimate solution is not to waste time, resources, and life energy trying to ban a playstyle, but to instead acknowledge the sheer numbers of folks wanting to play this way, and give them tools that enable them to do so while lessening any negative impact they might have on folks not involved.
It's like drugs or prostitution (yes, go ahead and poke fun at the analogy) - instead of outlawing them, which doesn't work, admit that any voluntary parties of adult age have the essential right to do *whatever they want* without require permission or approval from others, and in so doing, you can channel and better deal with the fact of their reality.
Don't you think?
For Great Justice!
There is an ignore spammer button for those who repeatedly broadcast the same message over and over. Yes your box will fill, but it is mainly full now of bs rmt accounts that get dumped after one day of email anyway.
However,
Johnny LFAEfarm
Billy Lf meow
Shawn Meow LF4m
Sam LF 50 Kin for Ticket farm
William Lf sewer team
Jack lowbie kin lft
There was no spamming there. Just people looking for what they want to do. If you don't want to deal with farmers, hit ignore, If they are spamming the channel, use the ignore as spammer command.
You have been given the tools to fix your problems. Honestly, I don't even have broadcast in my chat window unless I am having trouble filling a TF and need a pug...even then the pug is just to meet the min number to start. Why do I not have broadcast up you ask? Because I have an outstanding SG/Coalition that I have helped build that can always provide me with outstanding groups of people I want to play with, if that play is farming, TF, mission arcs, patron runs, whatever. I might suggest you find people like yourself, form a SG, and wallah, you never need broadcast again except to spam your chosen zone for recruitment......
But then wouldn't you be a spammer too?
I have a great SG and playgroup, with our own global. I'm lucky that way. Should those who don't be abandoned to the mercy of spam?
"Don't bother to clean up the environment; we'll all just form our own gated communities and pour our raw sewage over the walls. Problem solved!"
My characters at Virtueverse
Faces of the City
i would strongly support the GMs severely reducing the amount of exp/prestige/tickets on all BUT Developers choice AE arcs. City of Farmers, with no one playing the actual game, is sadly what we have become....
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[Broadcast]Generic Name:level 2 scrapper LFF
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[Broadcast]Generic Name:levee 1 blster LFF
[Broadcast]Generic Name:loking 4 AE Furm
[Broadcast]Generic Name:AE FARM LOOKING FOR LEVEL 45+ PEOPLE FOR BOSS FARM ONLY
[Broadcast]Generic Name:Healer looking for AE farm
[Broadcast]Generic Spammer: Plz Invite to AE Farm
[Broadcast]Generic Spammer: Plz Invite to AE Farm
[Broadcast]Generic Spammer: Plz Invite to AE Farm
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No ... If one person says "Looking for AE Farm!" once, then it's not spam. If he says it more than once, it's spam. Kinda like SG Recruiters do in AP.
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If how another person plays affects your mood, you may want to stop playing MMO's and stick to solo games where the internet isn't involved.
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It hasn't affected my PUG's.
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I have a great SG and playgroup, with our own global. I'm lucky that way. Should those who don't be abandoned to the mercy of spam?
"Don't bother to clean up the environment; we'll all just form our own gated communities and pour our raw sewage over the walls. Problem solved!"
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Yes we must do this for the childrens sake. If we don't get rid of the farmers the very cute harp seal is going to get clubbed. If we don't do this DDT will make a comeback and children won't die of malaria, Nuclear powerplants will be built and people wont die of air pollution, Hydro plants will be built and people will have cheap clean power,Genetically modified food will feed the starving.
Appeal to sympathy a very very nasty logical fallacy that far too many use and far to many more fall for.
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I wonder what would happen if the devs made it so custom enemy groups required a minimum of 1 minion, 1 lieut, and 1 boss. I'm sure there would still be farming, but it might die down somewhat.
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It would drive a stake right through the heart of farming missions, that's for sure.
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It would also result in an entirely new explosion of anger from people who want to be able to populate "challenge" missions entirely with bosses
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I've seen those ... They are called farms.
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i would strongly support the GMs severely reducing the amount of exp/prestige/tickets on all BUT Developers choice AE arcs. City of Farmers, with no one playing the actual game, is sadly what we have become....
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I have a great SG and playgroup, with our own global. I'm lucky that way. Should those who don't be abandoned to the mercy of spam?
"Don't bother to clean up the environment; we'll all just form our own gated communities and pour our raw sewage over the walls. Problem solved!"
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Yes, like I said, the tools have been provided. If they can't or won't elect to use them, it is their choice to live in the muck instead of cleaning up their environment. And yes, I am all for living in my gated community, but my gated community isn't poluting over the wall either, we use the wall to keep other peep's garbage out. Very poor analogy.
We use our sg community to clean up our chats. It isn't my desire to force anyone else to a number of post/min limit. If you find they are spaming...report it. It really is that simple. Just remember, you can be found to be guilty of frivolous reporting and have your chat rights revoked as well. Govern your own play and leave others to theirs.
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It would drive a stake right through the heart of farming missions, that's for sure.
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Bosses are for many the preferred farm targets.
Heck, it isn't event that bosses are prefered farms. Bosses and higher are the only thing that provide any kind of challenge to my purped out brute. minions..lts...wheat before the sythe...most times they can't even do enough damage to me without herding up two or three groups to be able to overcome my defense and regeneration...and this is solo. God help them if I actually have something like a buffer/debuffer with me. Why should I be penalized for creating content to provide myself with a challenge. Do people farm minions, yes, LT's yes, bosses yes...that's the solution...we'll make it so you can only have all EB's or AV's inyour mission. Yeah, that will show those farmers a thing or two...
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I'm just gonna go play my awesome arc with the prisoners group...DOH!
I'm gonna go level off the end of mission XP bonus! DOH!
I'm gonna go relive some of my fun times in Striga Island by fighting some Council vampires with those neat little spawning beds...DOH!
Well, at least I can enjoy the arc I made where you have to destroy snake eggs...DOH! DOH!
The Developers are against exploitative farming, so long as people are exploitative farming, the things they are exploiting are going to be taken away from us, not fixed, not made acceptable, taken away from us, and it continues for long enough, they will take XP in MA away from us and MA will be useless. DOH!
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Tell me what your post has to do with mine. Go ahead.
Farming and exploiting are completely and totally different, whether you think so or not.
Oh, and if you can't use Prisoners, make a custom group.
Those Council things are PITA's, so no I don't think I'd have an arc full of those. I'm tired of them before the mission they're in. Same with the snake eggs.
The lack of mission bonus XP has nothing to do with farming, since they stay in the same mission for a long, long time.
If you really wanna relive those fun times in Striga, there's a whole zone dedicated to reliving fun times. You might want to check it out.
Limiting access to certain things that create obvious exploits or might just be hard to code is completely and totally different from farming.
Oh, and last I looked the highest rated non-Dev Choice arc is actually my completely non-farming arc, so again the "OH NO ONLY FARMING ARCS EVER GET RATINGS" is completely bogus.
Though of course now people are probably going to one star me out of spite, but whatever.
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Oh, I probably will, from now on. That's not going to help too much when I need to get my Cape and/or Aura missions. Or get told I need to speak to Azuria or Smythe. Or to head to the Vanguard building. Or to (if I ever actually can) get a Sewer Trial...
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Wait. Wait. Wait! WTF.
How exactly is this affecting your ability to get a sewer trial?
1.) You need like minded individuals to run it anyway. You don't just grab a random PuG from anywhere and try to run that unless you just desire failure.
2.) There is no need to go to Atlas.
Sooooo? Please explain.
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Havn't ran a Sewer trial recently have you?
http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Sewer_Trial
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They moved it from Founders?
My apologies on point 2 then as its invalid. Point 1 is still very valid though. This isn't just something you jump into with random people and expect success.
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I know that. It's just... one of those things I want to do, but have yet to successfully manage. I've never done the Sewer Trial, A Hamidon Raid, an Eden Trail, a Mothership Raid, or Statesman's Task Force. I want to do this things... but hell, I suck at building PuGs for normal missions I know by heart. I have no idea how to go about building a team for these things.
That doesn't change the fact that, as traffic-heavy as Atlas is right now, even moving through the zone can be a chore of choppy graphinc, rubberbanding, and disconects. So, even in the off chance I could gather enough interest in the Sewer Trial... I fear that half the team wouldn't last to getting to the sewers.
That's all I meant.
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The point is, it's not a conflation. It's what Posi actually SAID. Now, granted, that may have been misinterpreted by some, and exaggerated by others, but that's not the same thing.
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But here's the thing - we can both agree what Posi *said* because we can go look at it. However, we may have very different ideas about what he *meant*. I think he clearly meant one thing, and apparently you find it equally clear he meant something else. In the absence of further guidance, we are left to arguing intent, reason, and unfortunately semantics.
My best guess FWIW is that Posi had two goals in mind: 1) that any imbalances in AE be corrected, and 2) that all missions should at least be dressed up in a smidgin of story. But you are free to disagree with me.
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Nope, that's pretty much how I'm seeing it, too. As always, I have no troubles with farmers, just with exploit farmers, which seems to be Posi's position, too.
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I'm a Pagan-type with a lot of theological knowledge. I invite them in to talk. They don't stay long, and they tell others of their evangelical type not to bother with me.
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The point is, it's not a conflation. It's what Posi actually SAID. Now, granted, that may have been misinterpreted by some, and exaggerated by others, but that's not the same thing.
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But here's the thing - we can both agree what Posi *said* because we can go look at it. However, we may have very different ideas about what he *meant*. I think he clearly meant one thing, and apparently you find it equally clear he meant something else. In the absence of further guidance, we are left to arguing intent, reason, and unfortunately semantics.
My best guess FWIW is that Posi had two goals in mind: 1) that any imbalances in AE be corrected, and 2) that all missions should at least be dressed up in a smidgin of story. But you are free to disagree with me.
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Nope, that's pretty much how I'm seeing it, too. As always, I have no troubles with farmers, just with exploit farmers, which seems to be Posi's position, too.
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Ah cool, then, we *are* on the same page. 
Buy you a beer?
For Great Justice!
Well, we still feel differently about whether the rules need to be enumerated or not, but I accepted the fact long ago that it's actually OK for people to disagree, so buy away!
Next round'll be on me.
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sorry. Infinity has roleplayers too. :P. We just dont advertise on other servers like the virtue catgurl brigades. And don't get me wrong, I like smashing things too, i just wonder why people seem to always treat roleplayers like theyre a disease that needs to be erased from roleplaying games
I have nothing against you if you don't want to rp, I just dislike when roleplayers get treated like some sort of virus for having the gall to exist.
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My gripe is the complaining that someone else's playstyle/enjoyment interferes with their enjoyment of the game. I RP, on weekends, with my friends, in a D&D campaign that has been going on for almost 15 years. However, you don't see me yelling at the guys next door to stop practicing their band because we want to RP. It is the same principle. The main response was to the post earlier that didn't understand why non roleplayers were even playing a "roleplaying game". I'm telling you that I am not playing a role playing game, I am playing an action adventure game.
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true. I was mostly replying to the people comparing roleplayers to Jehovah's witnesses, a group of religious people with a reputation for being annoying people you just want to fall into a pit and die.
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Jehovah's witnesses arent too bad if you answer the door wearing a loincloth, a goathead mask, and carrying a kriss blade. You look at the and say "the sacrafices are here!". they dont hang around much after that.
Lots of 50's yada yada. still finding fun things to do.
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