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Oh, I probably will, from now on. That's not going to help too much when I need to get my Cape and/or Aura missions. Or get told I need to speak to Azuria or Smythe. Or to head to the Vanguard building. Or to (if I ever actually can) get a Sewer Trial...
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Wait. Wait. Wait! WTF.
How exactly is this affecting your ability to get a sewer trial?
1.) You need like minded individuals to run it anyway. You don't just grab a random PuG from anywhere and try to run that unless you just desire failure.
2.) There is no need to go to Atlas.
Sooooo? Please explain.
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Okay, so anti-farmers characterize farmers as ruining the game, farmers characterize anti-farmers as trying to control others or control how other people play the game, apathetic people characterize anti-farmers as trying to police or control the farmers and tell them not to do that by treating them as stupid, lazy or self-absorbed.
So, anti-farmers want farmers to stop farming, farmers want anti-farmers to stop complaining about farming and apathetic people want anti-farmers to stop complaining about farming.
So, come on, happy apathetic people, do a little dance, get your boogie on! You've thrown your hat in with the people that threaten everything good about MA.
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Actually some of us that are apathetic to their plight are trying to convince them that there are other servers where this isn't an issue.
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The antifarmers on freedom are like people who live in NYC but hate crowds and traffic. Much like the antifarmers , their Solutions usually involve a great deal of misery for people that don't share their narrow views of what the ideal lifestyle is.
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The traffic was so bad that I was rubberbanding so much it took me more than three minutes to move 200 feet.
And this is on Victory. Not one of the major populated servers.
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Wow, I've rolled 3 new toons since I14 hit, and played them through Atlas with no lag, ranging from 3 PM, to 11PM (Hey I have altitis and pact mates I level slow. 
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Oh, I probably will, from now on. That's not going to help too much when I need to get my Cape and/or Aura missions. Or get told I need to speak to Azuria or Smythe. Or to head to the Vanguard building. Or to (if I ever actually can) get a Sewer Trial...
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Wait. Wait. Wait! WTF.
How exactly is this affecting your ability to get a sewer trial?
1.) You need like minded individuals to run it anyway. You don't just grab a random PuG from anywhere and try to run that unless you just desire failure.
2.) There is no need to go to Atlas.
Sooooo? Please explain.
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Havn't ran a Sewer trial recently have you?
http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Sewer_Trial
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The majority of the Trial is designed to take place in the Abandoned Sewer Network. The contact (Mairenn MacGregor) is located near the Atlas Park sewer entrance.
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...why should a majority of the players have their play constrained to make them do what a vocal minority on the forums want?
...why should a playstyle that apparently a TON of people are doing be curtailed or attacked just because a few malcontents want them to be forced to do something else?
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Those are interesting ways to describe the game developers.
By the way, it's not "you must do this", it's "you should not do that".
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You are apparently conflating what you want from what the devs want - which is common for people in your position.
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What is it that I want?
What is my position?
When did you first realize that you could read minds?
'I don't like the look of it at all,' said the King: 'however, it may kiss my hand if it likes.'
'I'd rather not,' the Cat remarked.
'Don't be impertinent,' said the King, 'and don't look at me like that!' He got behind Alice as he spoke.
'A cat may look at a king,' said Alice.
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...why should a majority of the players have their play constrained to make them do what a vocal minority on the forums want?
...why should a playstyle that apparently a TON of people are doing be curtailed or attacked just because a few malcontents want them to be forced to do something else?
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Those are interesting ways to describe the game developers.
By the way, it's not "you must do this", it's "you should not do that".
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You are apparently conflating what you want from what the devs want - which is common for people in your position.
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What is it that I want?
What is my position?
When did you first realize that you could read minds?
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I should explain - when you type words down, you reveal the thoughts contained for all to see. Mind-reading not required. 
For Great Justice!
I pay to play the way i like,
Who gave you the right to tell me how i should play?
Wait.....
Thats like me jumping on boards and saying "Stop" asking to do Taskforces or Random missions Or Capes/Auras
Get over it plss this is getting way out of hand you cant control
what other do with there gaming so why bother with this crying.
I can care less with what you say on my post for i dont come back to read after i post.
The point is, it's not a conflation. It's what Posi actually SAID. Now, granted, that may have been misinterpreted by some, and exaggerated by others, but that's not the same thing.
Dec out.
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Isn't there an unofficial RP server? Perhaps that one can be for those types and Freedom for people who just play the game as a fun game.
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Yeah, but since MA came out, the RP'ers seem to think that they should take over every server...
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Isn't there an unofficial RP server? Perhaps that one can be for those types and Freedom for people who just play the game as a fun game.
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Yeah, But the RP'ers seem to think that they should take over every server...
"The One"
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You are apparently conflating what you want from what the devs want - which is common for people in your position.
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What is it that I want?
What is my position?
When did you first realize that you could read minds?
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I should explain - when you type words down, you reveal the thoughts contained for all to see. Mind-reading not required.
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No answers, then? That's what I thought.
'I don't like the look of it at all,' said the King: 'however, it may kiss my hand if it likes.'
'I'd rather not,' the Cat remarked.
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The traffic was so bad that I was rubberbanding so much it took me more than three minutes to move 200 feet.
And this is on Victory. Not one of the major populated servers.
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Wow, I've rolled 3 new toons since I14 hit, and played them through Atlas with no lag, ranging from 3 PM, to 11PM (Hey I have altitis and pact mates I level slow. )
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Its not a problem with Victory. Its a problem with your machine if you're having lag beyond the initial release week of I14.
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The point is, it's not a conflation. It's what Posi actually SAID. Now, granted, that may have been misinterpreted by some, and exaggerated by others, but that's not the same thing.
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But here's the thing - we can both agree what Posi *said* because we can go look at it. However, we may have very different ideas about what he *meant*. I think he clearly meant one thing, and apparently you find it equally clear he meant something else. In the absence of further guidance, we are left to arguing intent, reason, and unfortunately semantics.
My best guess FWIW is that Posi had two goals in mind: 1) that any imbalances in AE be corrected, and 2) that all missions should at least be dressed up in a smidgin of story. But you are free to disagree with me.
For Great Justice!
Farming, PLing, etc. I have a question on these issues. (7-month noob here, btw - joined right after i12)
Why pay for a game and subscription to just rush to the end anyway? I solo, play w/ teams and SG mates and have also been running AE mishes since i14. My enjoyment of this game has been tied to exploring the content and diverse set of features offered. It took me 4 months and a 2x-XP weekend to get my 1st toon to 50, and I enjoyed every minute of it. I just don't get why anyone would want to effectively skip to the end. Hmm.
My only real complaint is that Broadcast has turned into a cat-food commercial -
"Meow, meow, meow, meow.
Meow, meow, meow, meow"
Having said that, it should still be left up to an individual player to play the game however they wish.
Fascism seems so, I don't know, Anti-heroic somehow.
It is not lurking . . it's simply recognizing that someone else on the forums has already asked the question, answered the question, said it better, or made a bigger spectacle of themselves than I ever could.
So long Justice. Its been great.
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Oh, I probably will, from now on. That's not going to help too much when I need to get my Cape and/or Aura missions. Or get told I need to speak to Azuria or Smythe. Or to head to the Vanguard building. Or to (if I ever actually can) get a Sewer Trial...
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Wait. Wait. Wait! WTF.
How exactly is this affecting your ability to get a sewer trial?
1.) You need like minded individuals to run it anyway. You don't just grab a random PuG from anywhere and try to run that unless you just desire failure.
2.) There is no need to go to Atlas.
Sooooo? Please explain.
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Havn't ran a Sewer trial recently have you?
http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Sewer_Trial
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They moved it from Founders?
My apologies on point 2 then as its invalid. Point 1 is still very valid though. This isn't just something you jump into with random people and expect success.
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If you read back you will see that it wasn't a blind invite and I was actually looking for an AE team when the newbs invited me....the mission they already had loaded was a Meow Farm that auto levels everyone up to the max level. I was just sharing my story of why this is a problem. You don't need to think all us are in the wrong because we are expressing our dislike for the farms that are causing problems.
If you don't think it is damaging the game, then you should check the drastic price drops on some items like Chronal Skip.
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Why is that a problem? salvage was way overpriced anyway.
Lots of 50's yada yada. still finding fun things to do.
Cthulhu loves you, better start running
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You know who else that worked for?
The Native Americans.
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Lousy example.
Farmers aren't trying to [censored] and pillage your way of life. If you don't want to be a farmer, it's not like they're going to MAKE you be one or kill you or exile you.
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it hurts the economy
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Actually, farmers help the economy too. They're more prolific in the amount of swag dropped on the market, increasing availability.
Yes, this means they have more money to make stupid-huge bids with. Talk to some marketeers too. Several of them have so much inf they have to have multiple toons just to hold it all.
The devaluation of inf you're currently seeing isn't the fault of farmers. This is a side-effect, intentional or otherwise, of the implementation of the merit and ticket system.
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it hurts the player base
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This is unsubstantiated opinion. Nothing more.
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it hurts the game when it gets so consumed by farmers as it has
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Ditto. However, I give you the opportunity to actually provide proof for your opinions.
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Ok, honestly...what difference is there between this:
Lvl 5 troller lfsewers
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Lvl 5 troller lf AE
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An a, an s, a w, an extra e, an r, and another s. Nothing more.
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Why pay for a game and subscription to just rush to the end anyway? I solo, play w/ teams and SG mates and have also been running AE mishes since i14. My enjoyment of this game has been tied to exploring the content and diverse set of features offered. It took me 4 months and a 2x-XP weekend to get my 1st toon to 50, and I enjoyed every minute of it. I just don't get why anyone would want to effectively skip to the end. Hmm.
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I have two different ways in which I agree with you:
First, I *used* to seek out passive farms - where you get to sit in a corner while someone else runs the map, generating XP. I realized soon enough that if this is all I did in this game, there was no point to being in it. The point of this game to me is to enjoy the journey from 1 to 50.
However, in order for it to be considered a "journey", there must be movement. Put another way, I like the journey, but not the struggle to *have* a journey.
Long story short, I still pursue effective XP rates - I see no reason to choose *worse* xp rates, especially when getting a character to 50 just means the pleasure of starting again. But from then on, I (for the most part) do not seek out any levelling where I am not permit to take part in the fun and glory of taking part.
The second and different way in which I agree with you is that ALL these MMOs do NOT let you change the world in any real or semi-permanent sense. You *can't* really make a difference. All you can do is game against your character sheet - that is, pursue changes to your character, whether that be XP/powers, badges, influence, etc. Until we finally get a game in which the things we accomplish *persist* and change the world, all we have left is playing the game with a goal of changing our character. Having a "straight to 50" button would remove the only reason to play MMOs in the first place.
Again, that said, one doesn't have to *dawdle* to enjoy the journey. It's perfectly fine for a player to enjoy getting 3 character to 50 in the time it takes another player to enjoy taking the same journey with one.
Food for thought.
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I think a better solution would be to make some change that will make it undesirable or impossible for level 50 characters to use the AE facilities in the lower level zones.
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No. Because then you're penalizing players in an arbitrary fashion, simply for being a certain level.
Also, is it really fair to the lowbie to have to try and jog through Peregrine Island to meet up with their team at AE?
The level-specific changes you're talking about would make teaming with lowbies more difficult and completely annoying.
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while a very erratic topic, i do agree that maybe the AE building should be removed from AP. this will give the new to the game players a chance of actually seeing what the game is about. everyone else who has been around a while knows how to navigate the higher lv zones without getting killed. red side has actually taken this into consideration( if you look at it that way) as to put the AE building on the opposite side of mercy from where you start vs the blue side which has the AE building right there as soon as you zone in. bad idea. and i know kind of a lame argument for it but maybe this will spark somemore usefull ideas or actually get people thinking about taking their 50's to another zone with their friends of all different lv ranges and leave the "new to the game" palyers to experience part of the game before getting to lv 50 and not knowing what to do.
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I dunno about removing the building from Atlas.
Atlas is, essentially, the showcase of the game for new players. So, like a strip mall, it's crammed with everything a new player is really likely to be using.
However, on a technical note, I can understand.
Atlas is a major choke-point in the game.
You have a market interface there.
You have the AE interface there now too.
You have a major congregation area under Atlas himself. And you have major multi-zone pass-thrus, the likes of which you don't really see in too many other zones. About the only thing it doesn't have is a university.
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Anyone who says it HASNT affected their PuGing is Lying.
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Outside of one specific incident, this hasn't hurt my ability to PuG at all. And no, I'm not lying. I can still put an ITF team together. I can pretty much participate in any given task force I want with a random group of people at a moment's notice. I can even find people willing to arc-mission with me.
That one incident? Red-side Hami Raid on Protector about a week back.
However, AE is still VERY FREAKIN' NEW HERE!
Just about EVERYONE still hasn't gotten over their case of "OOH! NEW SHINY!" yet.
Give it a few months.
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Yeah, gotta stop all those damn CCers jamming up Atl;as and lagging mah GAME!!! They should move to Talos r sumthin!
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Those are interesting ways to describe the game developers.
By the way, it's not "you must do this", it's "you should not do that".
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Again, who are you to be telling anyone else what they should or should not do?
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Okay, so anti-farmers characterize farmers as ruining the game, farmers characterize anti-farmers as trying to control others or control how other people play the game, apathetic people characterize anti-farmers as trying to police or control the farmers and tell them not to do that by treating them as stupid, lazy or self-absorbed.
So, anti-farmers want farmers to stop farming, farmers want anti-farmers to stop complaining about farming and apathetic people want anti-farmers to stop complaining about farming.
So, come on, happy apathetic people, do a little dance, get your boogie on! You've thrown your hat in with the people that threaten everything good about MA.
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Actually some of us that are apathetic to their plight are trying to convince them that there are other servers where this isn't an issue.
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http://wendy-mags.mybrute.com/