I'm a Champion Tanker, I know and have teamed with the founders of this event, I remember the first TT but have not been to one in sometime and missed the one last night, I'm biased on this topic.
For those of you that do not want a plaque or a badge or a base item any other form of recognition for this player created 5 year event, please tell us what what would be. Please tell us what contributions to the player base that would be worthy of your recognition.
Would some selfish player that makes a offhand comment to get others to "kill skulz" for him be worthy of a badge? yet an event that has stood the test of time in an MMO is somehow not worthy because 'you' havent heard of it or think its silly?
TT has been held on Champion, i've been to ones on Test and others have stated TT's happen on other servers yet... after 5 years in a MMO its just not enough for you.
All of you against Tanker Tuesday recognition please tell us what you have done for the player base to make it better, please tell us what player event you are involved with that has lasted for 5 years, please tell us what you have done that makes your opinion worth listening too.
I think the founders and the people that have made Tanker Tuesday what should get 'something'. maybe a badge, maybe a plaque or maybe a base item. I just find it sad that people that do nothing for the community are so quick to vote against those that do.
No one in this thread is against giving TT recognition.
People are against that recognition being given in a game altering form.
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I just find it sad that people that do nothing for the community are so quick to vote against those that do.
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So you think because you attended TT that makes you better then those of us who don't care about it or play on another server?
My community involvement is 1) paying my subscription 2) participating in the forums 3) being an officer in a 4.5+ year old SG on Freedom.
Your blankets generalizations and assumptions are not helping your cause.
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All of you against Tanker Tuesday recognition please tell us what you have done for the player base to make it better, please tell us what player event you are involved with that has lasted for 5 years, please tell us what you have done that makes your opinion worth listening too..
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Go look in the guides section.
I'd say "Ask the PVPers on various servers, the masterminds who now know how to use Bodyguard," and go on even longer. But I'm not. I've been a part of the entire community - on and off the boards, every server, every AT, from old hands to newbies. Most of the people I've helped in game wouldn't know Memphis Bill from Adam, since (a) I have many characters and (b) I don't advertise "Oh, and remember, you talked to Memphis Bill!" Hell, I get surprised the times my character DOES get recognized.
But I'm not asking for recognition, nor is anything I do a drive towards it. It's done purely for the love of the game.
Tell me what makes your dismissal worth listening to.
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I just find it sad that people that do nothing for the community are so quick to vote against those that do.
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Hey pot. You're not talking to a kettle. You're calling the entire rest of the house "black" when it's clearly not.
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The people complaining are missing the point. This isn't to say our event is so important that it should change the game. Anything that promotes the fun of CoH and the love players have for it should be embraced because this is why we are here and why we keep coming back. It is a show that through player participation and hard work that the game changes and thrives to reflect that.
There have been other changes because of the community. A small plaque in a spot that is out of the way is so minor a change that it should be at least considerable.
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No, actually, we're not missing the point, but ours seems to keep being dismissed.
PLAYER events have historic ways of being recognized, all of which *and more* have been suggested *as a total package* for this.
A plaque is not among them. TT has not changed the game world in a way the game world would recognize, yet a plaque indicates it does. and does for every server - which it does not. Out-of-game organization of the event, as far as permanent recognition, should be kept in out-of-game-world areas. And newly permanent means of OBTAINING said out-of-game-world recognition have been proposed, and other than being thrown on a list, either dismissed or outright ignored.
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But you're one of the few people in this thread supporting this who isn't directly connected to and/or actively participating in TT. Of course, it still sounds like you at least have some bias towards it. *shrug*
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Point of clarification. I have not participated in any TT event nor was I one of the creators of this event. So you don't have to page back umpteen pages, the advertising for this event gave me the impitus to create a tank, an AT that I was not interested in playing. I now have a tank at lvl 37 (and yes, I need to update my sig.)
I agree a badge is a worse idea than a plaque.
I disagree that a plaque is a "game changing" event. In fact, there isn't one think that any player can do that is game changing short of setting fire to the server buildings.
Also, Bill has done TONS of stuff for this game, must more than any monthly event, but then again, if you don't visit the Boards or PVP, you wouldn't know he exists. (I do and have used several of his guides, thank you.)
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This isn't to say our event is so important that it should change the game.
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Actually, thats exactly what people are saying. a plaque is a change to the game, permanantly and on every server.
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This isn't to say our event is so important that it should change the game.
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Actually, thats exactly what people are saying. a plaque is a change to the game, permanantly and on every server.
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I'm not being flip and if it was said before, I honestly don't remember, but how does this change the game?
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This isn't to say our event is so important that it should change the game.
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Actually, thats exactly what people are saying. a plaque is a change to the game, permanantly and on every server.
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I'm not being flip and if it was said before, I honestly don't remember, but how does this change the game?
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It is a direct alteration of the game world for an real-world-run event. (And by that I mean, while it obviously is played in-game, all organizing and such is purely on the players.)
As an example of what would be a player-developed change to the game world (and I know this isn't possible in game, I'm using it purely for illustration,) there was a recent article about ... think it was Warhammer Online, where they had the first "legitimate" takeover of a capital or some such thing. Now, I don't believe that affects every one of their 'shards' or 'worlds' or whatnot.
What would something similar be in-game here... I don't know. We don't have a way of sustaining world-changing events even where it's supported. For instance, even if one server's heroes continually kept Siren's Call in Hero hands - if the server was reset, it goes back and they have to start over.
I don't believe something drastically world-changing is *possible* in this game. You can't, for instance, gather heroes to run every Clockwork mission and clear every Clockwork from the streets, completely removing the threat of the Clockwork King from the game. It's just not supported. But if it *were* possible and a massive effort like that were undertaken - that would be a change to game lore, one that would be (to me) markable by a plaque. The plaque, in that case, would be right in line with the OTHER plaques in the city... which mark in-game moments of in-world history.
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About the only way I could see such a thing happening would... well, be a massive effort on the devs part.
1. Set up something like the Council/Column Civil War.
2. Let players know their actions determine who wins.
3. Every maintenance, the server checks to see "who's winning," and alters that by the average across all servers.
4. Next issue, the loser is gone. Or possibly only on one side or the other.
Thank you.
*will have to mull over reply for later*
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PLAYER events have historic ways of being recognized,
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That doesn't mean this event does not deserve this recognition.
It just means it hasn't been done before,it would be a first.
First's which is something I believe City of Hero's is fast becoming known for in the MMORPG community.
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Haha.
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PLAYER events have historic ways of being recognized,
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That doesn't mean this event does not deserve this recognition.
It just means it hasn't been done before,it would be a first.
First's which is something I believe City of Hero's is fast becoming known for in the MMORPG community.
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And which, given how limited the scope of this particular instance is, is drawing criticism.
This is the text from one of the plaques currently in game, located in King's Row:
"For months, unbeknownst to the city's finest Super Groups, a Lost Pariah called Ishmael attempted to psychically control the entire city. It was here that his efforts had the greatest effect, causing many citizens to run about in a stupor for hours on end."
This plaque, and others related to it, give a bit of the history of this Pariah's attack on the city and the heroes' response to it. What could you say about Tanker Tuesday? Here's what Acemace proposed in his original post:
"This plaque is to honor Paragon's mightiest Champions. Once every month since the Rikti War, Tankers from all over Paragon have assembled at this location to protect the people and to keep a watchful eye over the city they all love. To commemorate five years of Tanker Tuesday, this plaque hangs as our eternal reminder of their valiant efforts."
Not bad. A few problems, though. First, it's false on every server except Champion. I recall efforts to spread Tanker Tuesday to other servers to commemorate prior anniversaries, but I don't remember them having much success even for the anniversaries, and there is no ongoing TT tradition anywhere but Champion. Second, no explanation of how tankers gathering in King's Row does anything to make the world a safer place -- what did they DO? There has never been any stated purpose to Tanker Tuesday except to boost tanker awareness, run some missions and have fun. I'm sure it must be hundreds of people who've attended these runs over the years who have learned things about tanking that improved their play, but it would pass belief that this number even matches the number who've improved their tanker play by visiting the forums, and that number is dwarfed by the number of people who've improved their tanking just by being observant, getting helpful hints from team-mates, and wanting to be better at their jobs. There simply isn't an event that could be argued to have taken place that had any significance to the people of Paragon City.
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There simply isn't an event that could be argued to have taken place that had any significance to the people of Paragon City.
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That's it. Red side for me for now on. Darn ingrates. I'll show them! 
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And which, given how limited the scope of this particular instance is, is drawing criticism.
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In all fairness, there are many things that brought criticism but are now in-game. eg: Crafting.
I think TT has a pretty big accomplishment for going on 5 years, and I think some type of recognition would be welcome. To me an in-game plaque would be the most non-intrusive way to commemorate such an event. However, I can see the opposing side and there are many good points made. Bill has even got me to rethink my position on the issue (no surprise, he usually makes good arguments).
I think the real question is: Should there be an in-game commemoration of a player event or accomplishment? If so, what should the requirements be? Do we even want to open this door?
Personally, I think this is something NCNC should look at. They are forerunners in breaking down the barrier between Developer and Community and breaking many of the molds of the MMO design doc so many other games adhere to. I do agree, however, that this needs to be tread upon lightly as this could easily get out of hand. Perhaps they could start with one to two a year and really get the community involved. And, to be honest, I think if the Devs are considering this, then TT would be a good place to start as it does have an extensive history in which the Devs themselves have attended.
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"And, to be honest, I think if the Devs are considering this, then TT would be a good place to start as it does have an extensive history in which the Devs themselves have attended."
No argument here. IF they decide they want to offer such recognition in game, Tanker Tuesday would be an excellent choice.
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"And, to be honest, I think if the Devs are considering this, then TT would be a good place to start as it does have an extensive history in which the Devs themselves have attended."
No argument here. IF they decide they want to offer such recognition in game, Tanker Tuesday would be an excellent choice.
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Actually I disagree. An event that happens on ONE SERVER does not deserve permanent inclusion into the game world. Or did I miss it on freedom last night? Guess I should have gone the justice TT, or maybe the victory one.
There wasn't one on those servers?
Hmmm, that seems odd for a such a important and game altering event.
Someone suggested graffiti, but heroes wouldn't tag the wall. How about something like "Tankers sux" which WOULD be something that skulls or Hellions would write. Would this be worth considering as a plaque alternative?
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Someone suggested graffiti, but heroes wouldn't tag the wall. How about something like "Tankers sux" which WOULD be something that skulls or Hellions would write. Would this be worth considering as a plaque alternative?
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I'm trying to think of any instance, right offhand, where NPCs refer to an archetype. An origin, yes, but I can't think of an archetype reference.
With or without the precedent, if "tanker" is a label Hero Corps, DATA, SERAPH or others use to classify certain of their contacts and operatives, its usage might be known on the streets, and if so I can't imagine the Hellions not hating them.
Yeah, it's not exactly an objection, just trying to think of if it's been referenced before.
The easy ones are warshade and peacebringer. Those references are all over their story arc. In the Fautline storyline, does Temblor ever refer to Fusionette as a blaster, or just as a friend/hero?
Come to think of it, why would the tankers want 'tankers suck' written on the wall anyway? If the devs want to commemorate this anniversary, have that be the day a deathhead buckshot shows up holding a can of spray paint, at the regular Tanker Tuesday meeting place in King's Row, admiring the 'blasters suck' he's just added to the wall.
Not saying that Tankers would want that spray painted there, but just making an "in game/in character" alternative to a plaque. Bill argues that a plaque is a game changing perk, but random grafiti is not. I can't speak for others, but having the bad guys think you suck must mean you're doing you job.
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Also, it seems like almost everyone in this thread believes the event should be recognized in some way.
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Yes, and? I didn't realize we were still arguing about that.
I do agree that the badge would be even worse, though.
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