DavidDun

Mission name: Save the Mayor
Mission ID: 4222

Faction: Heroic

Recommended difficulty/team size: soloed with a tank.

Background story: Someone is after the Mayor, save him if you can.

Level range: 40+

I'm a Champion Tanker, I know and have teamed with the founders of this event, I remember the first TT but have not been to one in sometime and missed the one last night, I'm biased on this topic.

For those of you that do not want a plaque or a badge or a base item any other form of recognition for this player created 5 year event, please tell us what what would be. Please tell us what contributions to the player base that would be worthy of your recognition.

Would some selfish player that makes a offhand comment to get others to "kill skulz" for him be worthy of a badge? yet an event that has stood the test of time in an MMO is somehow not worthy because 'you' havent heard of it or think its silly?

TT has been held on Champion, i've been to ones on Test and others have stated TT's happen on other servers yet... after 5 years in a MMO its just not enough for you.

All of you against Tanker Tuesday recognition please tell us what you have done for the player base to make it better, please tell us what player event you are involved with that has lasted for 5 years, please tell us what you have done that makes your opinion worth listening too.

I think the founders and the people that have made Tanker Tuesday what should get 'something'. maybe a badge, maybe a plaque or maybe a base item. I just find it sad that people that do nothing for the community are so quick to vote against those that do.

*sighs*

Isolator in RV is a bad idea and its implementation is worse. Another bad idea is running old events and giving away old badges. Theres no point other then to feed to the frenzy of whinners that wernt there.

I dont have Isolator nor do I have the recent Valentines badges. I missed the oppertunity to get those and have no regrets.

BTW, gimmie back my old 5th column badges.

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Accolade Task Force Commander problem.

I made six copies of my tanker to test before the friday freespec. out of the 6 only 2 have received the +5% HP buff icon. The others got the messages, badge and shoulders but no icon.

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Did you happen to turn off the icons for auto powers? I did that on my SR and was wondering where the heck my passives went and then *LIGHTBULB* hey maybe I turned them off

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Already checked for that and nope. It is the only icon/buff that wont show even after zoning or logging. The HP wont apply so even if turned off the HP should still be applied.

Accolade Task Force Commander problem.

I made six copies of my tanker to test before the friday freespec. out of the 6 only 2 have received the +5% HP buff icon. The others got the messages, badge and shoulders but no icon.

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One thing that always turns me off to going to Warburg in CoH when Im leaving a toon in the 40-50 range...it takes so long to get there from pi. And my 50 is parked in the Hive, so thats a long hike too. This is one thing that was well done about CoV...all the gates to the PvP zones are in the according PvE zone.

Is there anyway we could do one of the following...

1. Make an enterance to RV in pi
2. Make a gate that takes us to atlas from pi
3. Move the RV enterance alltogether

Another complaint about having it in Atlas is lag, especially near the statue. Its like putting it in Talos.

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Ever try Base Teleporter Pads?

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ok to defend the OP on this... I'm not sure how you have a level 50 tank and not know that the Telepads in COH are crap compared to the Pads in COV. We have way more zones then they do, and our telepads only go to zones that are really crappy. Yeh you can TP to the hollows to get to Atlas, but what about the return trip? Villians can use thier pads to go to every non PVP zone. I think heroes should be able to as well.

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Base --> Crey's Folly --> Crash Site --> PI

...doesn't take that long

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nope and couldnt have said it better

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One thing that always turns me off to going to Warburg in CoH when Im leaving a toon in the 40-50 range...it takes so long to get there from pi. And my 50 is parked in the Hive, so thats a long hike too. This is one thing that was well done about CoV...all the gates to the PvP zones are in the according PvE zone.

Is there anyway we could do one of the following...

1. Make an enterance to RV in pi
2. Make a gate that takes us to atlas from pi
3. Move the RV enterance alltogether

Another complaint about having it in Atlas is lag, especially near the statue. Its like putting it in Talos.

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Ever try Base Teleporter Pads?

I think everyone that has or played an Ice tanker just slumped down in their seat and started crying with joy.

Hey Positron, whats the reward, an HO?

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Man david you are what we call in my circle a "HATER"

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Thank you.

/e rolleseyes

hmm.. im not seeing any costume contests on there...

let me just say I've yelled at some of you [Censored] kids for being on my lawn.

I blame Upsen_Downs !!!

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... except in the 45-50 PvP arena, where the characters are technically supposed to be on an equal footing because of their level, but in PRACTICE are going to be wildly disparate in their abilities.

The difference between levels 15-44 and 45-50 is that in the former, you are automatically on an even footing, but in the latter, you will have to go kill a blob a lot if you want a *chance* of being on an even footing.

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You're assumptions are wrong. you have psychic attacks. Do you know the huge advantage you already have, built into the game, over INV tankers/scrappers of all level ranges? No amount of HO's/Accolades/Skill will compensate for this.

Please show me where you've posted about getting this example changed to 'fair and balanced' for PvP.

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Sure. Regular enhancements are balanced. They only affect one power at a time and they scale down with auto-exemping.

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You're assuming that HO's, having been in the game longer then most of the posters in the thread, are not. Additionally, its been stated HOs will also auto-exemp like other enhancements.

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Balance is what allows skill to make the difference, as opposed to raw strength. That's the point. Okay, *pure* skill was something of an exaggeration, but you do understand the point, yes?

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I understand what your trying to say but I have to dissagree with your assumptions. You will never see balanced PVP unless everyones AT is the same... and how boring will that be? Each AT has strengths and weakness that no amount of HOs will counter.

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You will never have a pvp fight based on pure skill. To get that you and your opponent would need to have the exact same powers/slots/enhancements/gaming experience.

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Wrong. You'd only need to face an opponent who was playing a class that was balanced (check) and which had the same options to expend slots (check).

The fact that *complete* balance can't be attained doesn't make balance any less of a worthy goal. What do you think all this pre-testing is *for*? Also, it doesn't mean that since some imbalance is inevitable, a huge imbalance is just as acceptable as a small one.

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I was addressing your 'pure skill' comment. Not balance. So youre reply doesnt apply. However, of course some balance will and wont exist reguardless of HO's. As an INV tank I expect to get my [censored] handed to me by Sonic attacks and END drainers. HO's are meaningless there aren't they? yup. Is this skill? nope.

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Now, what if you face an opponent with all + or ++ enhancements? If you dont have or cant afford them isnt that a "non skill based numerical boost to his abilities"?

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Of course it is. It's a non skill based numerical boost, whether I have it or not. The difference, obviously, is that it's an entirely different category of boost, which is not 'killer'.

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But, its still a non-skill boost. So, I'll ask you the question again. Would you PvP them? AND would you pvp people with Titan or Hydra SO's?

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A person who wants to face another on a basis of pure skill, or a person who insists on keeping a non skill based numerical boost to his abilities at all times?


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You will never have a pvp fight based on pure skill. To get that you and your opponent would need to have the exact same powers/slots/enhancements/gaming experience. Sorry, but its not going to happen.

Now, what if you face an opponent with all + or ++ enhancements? If you dont have or cant afford them isnt that a "non skill based numerical boost to his abilities"? would you not pvp them as well?

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The difference between HO'd and non-HO'd characters is that the HO'd characters chose to spend large amounts of time watching a slide show, occasionally pressing a key, in hopes of gaining an enhancement that would allow them to "gank" the "suckers" who choose not to spend their time in such a meaningless, boring manner.

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Many love the unique challange of raiding with large groups. So, if you choose not to particpate why force others to play as you do? Thats not 'fair' then is it?

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Tell you what, how about we start letting Olympic athletes use steroids as much as they want? Why not let football players carry tasers onto the field? It's not hurting anyone, it's just improving their ability to play the game, and hey, they can afford them, right? Oh, I've got it! Let's remove all of the constraints on stock car building! Use the lightest materials you want, drop a nitrous tank in your car, use whatever tools you can afford! Hey, why don't we let the men compete in women's wrestling in the Olympics? It's not their fault they've naturally got the better upper body strength (on average). Preventing them from playing for fairness sake is just... communist!


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Nice drama but HO's are apart of this game, have been in the game for a long time and have even been given a special rule set already just for PvP. But thats not enough is it?

People try to advance their Hero but you dont like it so instead of trying to compete, you cry 'nerf' in the name of 'fairness'.

Well, the real problem isn’t HO’s. Some players won’t/can’t put in the effort or the time (for whatever reason) into the game but still want PvP to be fair against those that do. I’m sorry but ‘fair’ doesn’t exist. It doesn’t exist in real life and it doesn’t exist in this game.

To be ‘fair’ you’d have to only PvP against someone with the exact same build, same connection speed, same game knowledge, same experiences, same computer speed, etc. Not going to happen is it? Just looking at builds alone I’d like you to find 2 EXACTLY the same, you’d be hard pressed and I doubt you could. Even min/max builds have player preference differences.

From reading all these threads it seems to me that the players that don’t have HO’s have expressed their self perceived inadequacy into some type of ‘lack of fun’ versus those players that do. Instead of doing something in-game about this they have decided to reach out to the dev’s and cry 'nerf' for a false notion of fairness. “They earned it, it’s not fair that I won’t/can’t, take it way from them!”

So being ‘fair’ isn’t about HO’s, it’s about making other players, that can put the time and effort into their build, as miserable as them. No thanks.

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Do you believe defeating the Hamidon is meant to be a common event?

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As common as doing any TF? Yes. The Eden trial takes ±2 hours. Why aren't you crying nerf over those special SO's?

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Do you believe that for the Hamidon to be defeated once a day or more is the intended design?

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If its not then why havent the Dev's changed the spawn time to once a week? You can run the Eden trial over and over. If you have the mission you can run the Hydra trial over and over too for those special SO's. again, why no nerf cry over those?

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Do you believe players are expected to have 30+ Hami-Os to be effective in the "endgame" -- and by that I mean PvE?


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No, I have no RES HO's and can tank very effectively. why? because of my current build and experience, not because of some additional minor slot enhancement.

Are you going to go after accolades next? you know that as a tank 15% more HP is a huge advantage.

Well, I ask one thing. Stop trying to nerf me to your play style. HO's and accolades are optional as is the Arena.

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PvP aside, the game's not balanced for Hami-O's -- and, since they're supposed to be rare, it can't be. Except that they're not rare for some people anymore.


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Besides your opinion what are you basing this off of?

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I'm a casual player. My main was started pre-I1 and I just hit 50. 2 hours for a hami raid isnt a big deal.