Nice write-up Neuronia.
It summarizes the "Meritorious" thread and all of
very helpful work done by Leandro (et al) quite well.
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To Ironblade: Eden gets completed in 10-15 minutes on average, no typo.
To Cobaltix: Correct, you get awarded Merits or a choice of Merit/SHO/Titan-O/Hydra-O. Respecs give you Merits + Respec or bonus Merits.
There was a lot of discussion on that topic. Unfortunately, no new SFs in this patch. Villains will have to run Ice Mistral/ITF or run some arcs like Mender Lazarus or Von Grun to pad their Merits.
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Hmmm ... not sure I like the removal of a choice of a random roll upon TF Completion. How is this change being accepted by the Closed Beta Population?
While I agree that the Villain Side SF's are of a higher quality than many Hero Side TF's, I do wish there were a few more choices and variety withing level ranges.
Here's to hoping that more will be created in the next few issues.
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Out of curiosity, are story arc merit rewards also given when doing that arc through Ouroboros? I doubt I'd use that as a main source of merits, but I do enjoy running the Pretorian "boss rush" arc on a regular basis.
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People are uneasy about the removal of a menu on completion...it changes a lot of live Tasks such as Hess, Katie, Cap and others to be sure.
Remember that Open Beta is still there; though things tend to be 'cemented' in closed and the Merit System won't be torn down, your feedback on the Merit System award iteration is important. Many will likely be quite upset at losing the reward menu.
Questions about the game, either side? /t @Neuronia or @Neuronium, with your queries!
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Are HO's purchasable with Merits or is the only way to get Hami's to actually visit the Hive/Abyss again?
I'm guessing the devs want to revive the all-but-dead Hami raids.
Edit: Ah, I see JoJo answered above between my refreshes. If he is correct then LRSF and STF still offer SHOs. Thanks Smurphy.
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O my... Ha I knew it! I saw most of this two weeks ago lol. I'm glad I can finally get my lotgs at 25 instead of having 50's, time to sell!
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Out of curiosity, are story arc merit rewards also given when doing that arc through Ouroboros? I doubt I'd use that as a main source of merits, but I do enjoy running the Pretorian "boss rush" arc on a regular basis.
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Yes. Most testers used Ouroboros to get their Merit measurements...and some of us were on the last mission of an arc and autocompleted on Test. I did as much for the Praetorian War arc.
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2 things
first: Hamidon gives 40 merits
second: the removing the option for a random roll at the end of the task force isn't real popular.
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Are HO's purchasable with Merits or is the only way to get Hami's to actually visit the Hive/Abyss again?
I'm guessing the devs want to revive the all-but-dead Hami raids.
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They are not. Neither are Purples or Costume Recipes.
You must do STF/LRSF/Raids for HOs...by the way the Hero Hamidon Raid was 40 Merits.
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Neuronia, awesome write-up, and thanks for positing it so quickly.
On this system:
It. Is. Horrible.
I think this will hurt villainside Pool C production badly. And just looking over things on Test and reading this write-up I think that a lot of people are going to not be happy with the result.
Not tested to my knowledge.
As far as we know, only GM defeats (2 Merits), TFs, Story Arcs, Hamidon Raids and Trials award Merits. Rikti War Zone Raids are an unknown, as well as Zombie raids and such.
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second: the removing the option for a random roll at the end of the task force isn't real popular.
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Of course it's not. Being able to slam down a recipe every 30 minutes (barring the 4-hour window) is extremely popular. It's also clearly not the speed at which you're supposed to be able to get rare, good recipes. Katie (and to a lesser extent the ITF) is broken in their eyes, and this is their way of fixing it without necessarily working on the TFs themselves.
Getting merits for story arcs should hopefully offset the decrease in rate at least somewhat.
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People are uneasy about the removal of a menu on completion...it changes a lot of live Tasks such as Hess, Katie, Cap and others to be sure.
Remember that Open Beta is still there; though things tend to be 'cemented' in closed and the Merit System won't be torn down, your feedback on the Merit System award iteration is important. Many will likely be quite upset at losing the reward menu.
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I like the idea of a Merit system and this seems like a good effort on the part of the Developers, I'm just not sure why they are removing the old mechanic in conjunction with this implementation.
Has there been any Dev rationale for that? I was under the impression that the merit system was supplemental or alternative to the current reward system.
Open Beta is more about load testing and I doubt things will change unless there is a significant outcry and even then, we may not see a change.
In any case, I will be making my preference known to leave the reward window in place with Merits being an added option upon completion. I urge all who are just learning of this change and disagree with it to do so as well.
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LOTG 7.5: 200 merits
LOTG Triple: 250 Merits
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LMFAO
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Devs didn't say much about the Merit system apart from Phil explaining the rationale. I have a feeling not many people took the Single Origin Enhancement so the Devs may have looked at Pool C and D and said..."How long should this take to earn?" You can get an SO for 15 Merits :s
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So now I'm going to have to do TFs a lot now which sucks because I don't have time during the day 
. That or prices will plummet in WW.
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Thank you for putting this together Neuronia. I'd like to see a comprehensive price list, but I guess I'll see for myself soon enough. I don't understand what the devs were thinking, though. What problem were they trying to solve? What impact do they think this is going to have?
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So now I'm going to have to do TFs a lot now which sucks because I don't have time
during the day . That or prices will plummet in WW.
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Actually, I'm kind of expecting a lot of folks running Ouroboros (especially, us solo-types)
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I've been rich, and I've been poor. Rich is definitely better.
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For every seller who leaves the market dirty stinkin' rich,
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Thank you for putting this together Neuronia. I'd like to see a comprehensive price list, but I guess I'll see for myself soon enough. I don't understand what the devs were thinking, though. What problem were they trying to solve? What impact do they think this is going to have?
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This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
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Also do merits got anything to do with the brainstorm idea? I found some laboratory earlier in port oaks.
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No.
Brainstorms are made from converting Base Salvage to Brainstorms. You can turn Brainstorms into Invention Salvage...for use in your base or recipes. Not getting into that though. 
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Thank You Devs for Merits!!!!
Peterpeter:
Pool Cs are between 125-250.
Pool A-Bs seem to be 50
Pool Ds are at the higher end, usually around 250 or so.
Some of the prices seem wacky, even for a perma-whiner like me. Crushing Impacts and Doctored Wounds at 50 is...out there.
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Yeah that is going to kill the prices of doctor wounds or shot them into the stratosphere considering not that many people will be buying them. Making influence worthless again lol.
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People are uneasy about the removal of a menu on completion...it changes a lot of live Tasks such as Hess, Katie, Cap and others to be sure.
Remember that Open Beta is still there; though things tend to be 'cemented' in closed and the Merit System won't be torn down, your feedback on the Merit System award iteration is important. Many will likely be quite upset at losing the reward menu.
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I like the idea of a Merit system and this seems like a good effort on the part of the Developers, I'm just not sure why they are removing the old mechanic in conjunction with this implementation.
Has there been any Dev rationale for that? I was under the impression that the merit system was supplemental or alternative to the current reward system.
Open Beta is more about load testing and I doubt things will change unless there is a significant outcry and even then, we may not see a change.
In any case, I will be making my preference known to leave the reward window in place with Merits being an added option upon completion. I urge all who are just learning of this change and disagree with it to do so as well.
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Originally this whole merit system was pitched to the players as a additional way to get a recipe, however it has been implemented to remove the option to have a random recipe drop.
I dislike this a lot. It gets rid of the incentive to run the shorter task forces since they are going to be worth less than they once were. the base for a lot of the task forces are 25, which is enough for a single random roll, which is good. If the random recipe drop were reinstated as an option I think the merit system would be fantastic.
To Ironblade: Eden gets completed in 10-15 minutes on average, no typo.
To Cobaltix: Correct, you get awarded Merits or a choice of Merit/SHO/Titan-O/Hydra-O. Respecs give you Merits + Respec or bonus Merits.
There was a lot of discussion on that topic. Unfortunately, no new SFs in this patch. Villains will have to run Ice Mistral/ITF or run some arcs like Mender Lazarus or Von Grun to pad their Merits.
Questions about the game, either side? /t @Neuronia or @Neuronium, with your queries!
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