Halloween Issues & Zombie Apocalypse Frequency
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Posted on: 2008-10-22 10:51 in ALL ACCESS Gameplay Technical Issues Bugs
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That's too bad about the Spirit issue. Is it ironic that the first hero I used for this event obtained that badge first?
[/ QUOTE ]You know, I hit the event very early this year (just happened to log on as it went live) and jumped out on a full team right off. We spent an hour ToTing in Steel, and I bet we killed 30-50 spirits. They were spawning at fairly decent rates. Since that first hour-ish window, I haven't seen a single spirit. Damned peculiar.
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... Then the twit wanted to team with me, after noticing my level. I told him no way,..
[/ QUOTE ]Sure, I'll team with you, let's go ToT in Warburg... *slag* *brush off tights and walk away*
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How do you receive "treats at a faster rate?" It might just be my own experience, but I rarely get treats this year... it's easily 80% trick, 20% treat, but maybe that's just my luck. It's not uncommon for me to knock 5 times in a row and have all 5 be tricks.
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I've counted 15 door knocks in a row before I got a Treat. While you may be able to click on doors faster, it's been overly balanced out by the apparent increase in the Trick to Treat ratio.
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I've counted 15 door knocks in a row before I got a Treat. While you may be able to click on doors faster, it's been overly balanced out by the apparent increase in the Trick to Treat ratio.
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Would getting three Doctored Wounds (2 level 50 and 1 level 49) in a row from trick spawns be considered a treat? 
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... Then the twit wanted to team with me, after noticing my level. I told him no way,..
[/ QUOTE ]Sure, I'll team with you, let's go ToT in Warburg... *slag* *brush off tights and walk away*
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I say we all gather, but into Nemesis' base... I KNOW he is hoarding them all for his next plot!
Who's with me?!
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We've also seen feedback that some players miss receiving Tier 3 inspirations as Treats. This change is intentional. In making changes to Trick or Treating from last year, it's possible to open doors and receive Treats at a faster rate. In order to keep Tier 3 inspirations something of value, we removed them from rewards to Treats.
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That was a terrible decision in my opinion. If I have a choice between waiting a tad bit longer to get a decent reward versus getting an instant lousy reward, I know which I would prefer.
I've been looking forward to ToTing for weeks, even months, and because of the lack of Tier 3 inspirations I was done with it in less than an hour. The 4 new badges took me about 5 minutes to earn, so that did nothing to prolong my interest in the event.
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Another Zombie Anouncment issue..
Just a bit a go on Triumph, there was an Annoucment for PI..
Well.. i was in PI..... But the zombies were not seen...
But. they did assult PI #2.....
Why in one, but not the other? why not both?
Just here to say I've been on both sides of the Jack coin.
I have been with several groups in Talos busting Eochai's rump almost 30 times with no sign of Jack.
I have been on a group in Sharkhead where, in the space of less than an hour, Jack spawned 4 times.
That said, I am absolutely all-for a streakbreaker code for Jack.
I am also for adding in the 'ambush code' to door spawns so that griefers find themsevles overwhelmed with their just due, having been on Triumph the first night and being driven to the RWZ to ToT instead because of the sheer amount of immaturity and uncaring twits.
As for not receiving Tier 3 Inspires from doors... wel the handful of times I have ToT'ed this year was in groups, and inspires were dropping so fast from doors and enemies I had no trouble swallowing or combining a few while fighting that (for me) Tier 3s would just be 'taking up space' in my tray (I would like to store them in a base) while I chomped thru the 1s and 2s. So really I have no problem with the change.
I am, however, sorry that there is indeed a bug with Spirits that won't be fixed this year.
But! The Zombolocalypses? Holy cow they are AWESOME. I love 'em. Thanks SO much for bringing this event to us.
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Buster badge is broken, wait 12 months then try again seems to me to be a poor response to a clearly broken event.
Were any alternate means considered to aleviate the Buster badge problem other than fixing the bug in the spawn rate?
If this was a "new" event badge there more than likely would have been a fix provided or at least a workaround.
Would lowering the badge requirements temporarily to say 3-4 still have the same impact on issue 13 date?
Alternatively could another spawn, like the Strengs, be temporarily used to count toward the buster badge for the remainder of the event?
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At the risk of sounding ungrateful...
Is there really nothing that can be done about the spirit spawn rate before the end of the event? It will be a full year before we've got the chance to get the badge associated with them again, so being told that it won't be fixed in time to apply to this event is more than just a little disheartening for badge collectors.
Don't get me wrong, I love this event! I just love badges too, and having a "collect them all" mindset being confronted with not being realistically able to is disappointing.
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Hi JChaos,
We completely agree that it would be great to fix the issue with the Spirits. A number of people here are upset as well about the badge for their own characters (yes, we play too!). However, getting such a fix out there would impact the schedule for Issue 13. We'd totally do that for an exploit fix, but for this issue we felt, that while painful for those interested in it, is something we'll have to leave as is.
Thanks in advance for your understanding.
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Lighthouse,
Would it be possible to extend the event another week beyond its scheduled end date to help compensate for the low spirit spawn rate?
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Uhmmm... without attempting to play for days on the same character... what now about the Buster Badge?
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It didn't take *that* long duoing with the wifey's new alt, YMMV. I'm happy to see the devs admit that there was a problem but its not that big of a deal.
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It's their typical apathy and not doing their job.
Like the other poster, I also sent a bug report about the lack of spirits from Test. Either they failed to take players' input seriously, or they just flat failed to do their jobs.
The excuse to nerf tier 3 inspiration drops was obvious and illogical. So people can click doors 10 times more frequently, an easy fix would be to adjust their drop rates accordingly to drop 90% less. But instead its an excuse to further kill large inspirations in the game. Remember Kora fruit? Then they sneakily nerfed inspirations drops by bosses so sometimes they drop nothing. Lets be honest and call a nerf a nerf. There was an easy fix to counter balance the new door click rate, you guys just didn't want to do it.
Last but not least, people have complained about Jack's spawn rate for the last two years. It all fell on deaf ears. Its not like it would unbalance pve, kill pvp or destroy the market if people can fight Jack as often as Eochai. And add to all this the bit about "we won't fix it since its not an exploit", they are essentially admitting that as long as things hurt the players, problems can wait indefinitely, but if an issue happens to benefit the players they'll jump on it. A sadder and more pathetic attitude I have rarely seen. Like I said, typical apathy, disconnect and flat not paying attention.
The only thing worse than devs making bad decisions is the hoard of fanboys and bootlickers that keep cheering them on.
Let me preface this with during events like this, or the Rikti zone invasions, I normally solo or at most team or be near at most, two other players. This is due to being on dial-up. It also means that I will most likely never get the boss or uber badge due to the lack of sympathetic teammates that would allow to fight alone nearby while the rest of the team can fight at a rally point.
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3) I'm a bit disappointed that this event is so completely like the Rikti Zone Invasions. I get that it's far easier to copy and paste code, especially for an event that only happens once a year, but can't something be done to make it seem like it's not a compete rip off of the Rikti Zone Invasions? Ok, I realize that suggestion is vague and unhelpful, but I can't think of a good way to accomplish that. I'm certain that someone who is far more creative than I am will suggest something.
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During the Ritki zone invasions I've never, with any level character, felt overwhelmed while soloing. Zombies however just keep popping up like weeds one after another even if there are no other players within sight. Combined that with their level 30 number of hit points and it easily overwhelms a level 20th character. Just like a zombie apocalypse should.
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4) Zombie Appocalypse doesn't really seem that appocalyptic. Me and a friend were in a back alley fighting zombies and they were coming at us two or three at a time. Not very appocalyptic. My understanding is that large teams (or a large ratio of players to defeated enemies) cause LTs and Bosses to be summoned. Perhaps a system can be set up where if the team doesn't qualify for LTs or Bosses to show then more minion level zombies will start showing up. After all, being overwhelmed by hordes of zombies is what a zombie appocalypse is really all about. And this way there really would be "Safety in Numbers."
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Like I stated above, they just keep coming. Last night in Perez I found the right hovering height where I couldn't be hit by them while I could blast them. I had over a dozen zombies looking for ways to get into range to spit me out of the sky. Half Lieutenants. BTW whatever height that was also caused zombies to materialize above me and fall to the ground. Nice "rain of zombies" effect.
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5) People outside during a Rikti Zone Invasion are safe if they stand underneath something. No such luck for the Zombie Appocalypse. I'd like to suggest that people standing on rooftops be safe and not targeted by the zombie invasion.
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I know that the original Rikti invasion caused massive loss of life but so much that the dead were used in building materials in skyscrapers and elevated road beds? That or the mob also controls the building material market in Paragon City. 
And a problem/question that I have. Sometimes when fighting a zombie it despawns even though I had been doing damage to it. I don't get credit for a kill or the XP from it. Most of the time they had been impaired ether with a hold or confused.
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That was a terrible decision in my opinion. If I have a choice between waiting a tad bit longer to get a decent reward versus getting an instant lousy reward, I know which I would prefer.
I've been looking forward to ToTing for weeks, even months, and because of the lack of Tier 3 inspirations I was done with it in less than an hour. The 4 new badges took me about 5 minutes to earn, so that did nothing to prolong my interest in the event.
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Cheers Lighthouse, I was one who wondered about the tier 3 inspirations thing. As long as there is a reasonable rationale im cool with it.
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At the risk of sounding ungrateful...
Is there really nothing that can be done about the spirit spawn rate before the end of the event? It will be a full year before we've got the chance to get the badge associated with them again, so being told that it won't be fixed in time to apply to this event is more than just a little disheartening for badge collectors.
Don't get me wrong, I love this event! I just love badges too, and having a "collect them all" mindset being confronted with not being realistically able to is disappointing.
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Hi JChaos,
We completely agree that it would be great to fix the issue with the Spirits. A number of people here are upset as well about the badge for their own characters (yes, we play too!). However, getting such a fix out there would impact the schedule for Issue 13. We'd totally do that for an exploit fix, but for this issue we felt, that while painful for those interested in it, is something we'll have to leave as is.
Thanks in advance for your understanding.
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Any chance that this (Buster) will be one of the badges you can get with Merits in i13?
If you can't answer that, then at least pass it on as a suggestion/hint?
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<ul type="square">[*] Lack of Tier 3 Inspirations as Treats: We've also seen feedback that some players miss receiving Tier 3 inspirations as Treats. This change is intentional. In making changes to Trick or Treating from last year, it's possible to open doors and receive Treats at a faster rate. In order to keep Tier 3 inspirations something of value, we removed them from rewards to Treats.[/list]
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Been seeing only Tier 1 inspirations for Treats.
Tricks have sometimes given two Tier 1 inspirations, just like the Treat rewards (which is a bug in itself, considering Tricks aren't supposed to give Inspirations.).
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They changed the treat mechanics this year. Treats can be awarded on a trick door, and inspiration treats are going to be tier 1 and tier 2.
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My own suggestions:
1. Recheck the spawn code for Jack, ensure that its working properly as opinions on that vary, then increase from 10% to 20% chance spawn rate so that some gamer actually feel like they have a chance.
2. The Hero/Villain Event Channels: can they be upgraded to differentiate between multiple versions of Grandville or other multi zones when an alert goes off? Also can they be upgraded to include alerts for Eochai and Jack during the event
So no buster badge this year? and it's ok that we wait another year to get it because an event was released that obviously isn't working as intended?
Well I want compensation! for the time I payed for and wasted trying to get something that was advertised as working, and is obviously broken.
This years event was all "hey, we love you so much where giving it to you early!!!! . . . . . Oh but half of it doesn't work, never mind, just finish it next year, have fun!!"
It's about the principle of it all, I've never been annoyed with the developers of this game, not in 4 years but this is just a total mess, so many problems have been ignored before releasing this event and that is a real shame.
This years halloween event = Fail
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So no buster badge this year? and it's ok that we wait another year to get it because an event was released that obviously isn't working as intended?
Well I want compensation! for the time I payed for and wasted trying to get something that was advertised as working, and is obviously broken.
This years event was all "hey, we love you so much where giving it to you early!!!! . . . . . Oh but half of it doesn't work, never mind, just finish it next year, have fun!!"
It's about the principle of it all, I've never been annoyed with the developers of this game, not in 4 years but this is just a total mess, so many problems have been ignored before releasing this event and that is a real shame.
This years halloween event = Fail
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ONE badge not being able to be collected properly is half? Let me check my math: 1/15 = .5 ...Nope, it seems fine.
(If you include Jack, then it would be TWO whole badges. 15 of course is the number of Halloween badges.)
If you are refering to the slightly botched Invasion schedule, then, well, you have a bit more of a point... but not much. The event, as far as I can tell, does work, it does appear. Maybe not as often as intended in certain areas, but it does work and you can indeed experience it.
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So no buster badge this year? and it's ok that we wait another year to get it because an event was released that obviously isn't working as intended?
Well I want compensation! for the time I payed for and wasted trying to get something that was advertised as working, and is obviously broken.
This years event was all "hey, we love you so much where giving it to you early!!!! . . . . . Oh but half of it doesn't work, never mind, just finish it next year, have fun!!"
It's about the principle of it all, I've never been annoyed with the developers of this game, not in 4 years but this is just a total mess, so many problems have been ignored before releasing this event and that is a real shame.
This years halloween event = Fail
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ONE badge not being able to be collected properly is half? Let me check my math: 1/15 = .5 ...Nope, it seems fine.
(If you include Jack, then it would be TWO whole badges. 15 of course is the number of Halloween badges.)
If you are refering to the slightly botched Invasion schedule, then, well, you have a bit more of a point... but not much. The event, as far as I can tell, does work, it does appear. Maybe not as often as intended in certain areas, but it does work and you can indeed experience it.
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Spirit spawn times broken
Villain side zombie invasion times not working, and almost non existent in some zones
Hero side zombie invasion times not working
Jack spawn times not working
Compared to the last few years I'd say this one was a failiure, and I've attended them all.
I'm not being bitchy and I'm not over reacting, I just think going off the "test", it was not released without actual testing. It seems peoples test results where ignored before release and there is nothing they can do about it.
Pretty bad management and customer service from my experience, my post is justified.
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Listen, because I have a concience I go away from the forum thinking I've upset someone then feel bad for it lol, so let me explain my issues a little more so you know where I'm coming from.
I'm only 27 but I have a busy life, 2 kids, a demanding job, a demanding fiance lol, and very little time time to enjoy this game, to explain further I get to play for one night, every three nights, and during this session I usually get 2-4 hours of play.
So in a two week period I get to play four times, 2-4 hours a time, So for this event it is impossible for me to get every badge on every toon and experience everything I want unless things are working as they should, any delays or bugs hinder me totally and I don't get the experience I pay for, these delays have meant I've spent 2 nights on the same toon trying to get one badge only to find out some days later that it was a waste of time.
Get what I mean? I get little time and I feel it's been wasted and all I got was a "sorry, try again next year".
If it where me, I would have done the follwoing.
Fixed the times on the invasions and jack before people started getting annoyed with it, if it took too long to adjust this I would have made the event last a few days longer to compensate players wasted time.
I would have given everyone who logs in during this event the buster badge if it would take too long to fix.
Bend a few rules to make your paying customers happy, thats good customer service, thats good management.
All I see is mistakes, and apologies, imo thats not good enough, as a paying customer, I expect a working product, If I don't recieve a working product I expect compensation of some sort or a refund, not a "sorry".
I don't mean to go on, I just want people to understand my personal frustration.
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There's only one solution for the Low Spirit issue:
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