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Two naughty acronym teams / Ascension / Convenient / Artic and the Chillz / Fap / Other teams I can't remember (sorry.. mind is goin')
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Really, everyone in NDX except Merc was just awesome.
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Daaaaaaaaayum! lol
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Really, everyone in NDX except Merc was just awesome.
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Daaaaaaaaayum! lol
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IIRC, he was putz's pickup
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LBE used to be bugged and i used it in my 4 taunt build and taunted half the opposing players on PuGs. Labrynth told me to please stop cuz im exploiting it lol.
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exploiting bugs in pugs is sooo cool
-- Currently Playing --
Dexter Labrynth (SS/FA Brute)
Former member of Tribute and Victory Reborn
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Veng stacking was fun once in awhile, but it was bull[censored]. I'm not going to pretend like we didn't practice veng gathers in NDX - everyone of our builds had it. It was cheesy, and a few of us completely hated it after a few matches with it.
Around 4-stacked it became a waste of time to hit Aim or BU on a blaster. 7-stacked was... well, it was special. People hated us so much, and that almost made it worth using it. 
Btw, Demon's way of examining arena history via patch notes is very smart. Almost every change (after the initial chaos of organized PvP teams) in the patch notes directly changed the optimal lineups in some way or another. Ice blasters replaced with fire blasters was a big one. IO's, of course. When blaster unresistible damage was reduced, 2-sonic teams became unstoppable with tons of damage resistance. Immediately blasters began getting swapped with extra rad/psy's for more debuff and the psy damage. Now you guys get to figure out i12.
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lol I still remember my first practice with another team when I joined JAL. It was NDX - I was checking builds and even putz had veng lol...you guys lost one and boom veng was a going...5, 6 stacked and we were dropping like flies..lol...you were like the veng gather masters XD.
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At FOL we also practiced vengeance stacking after we saw how effective it was, but we rarely got more than 3 or 4. I tip my hat to the NDX folks. They truly mastered the art of vengeance gathers. I remember that at first when NDX got to test server, we would win most practice rounds against them, but as time went on, and they got their stuff together, we were on the losing end more often than not, and usually by significant margins. I remember Ownage going rogue a lot, and tearing up the house.
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I only remember practicing it once or twice. Instead we used that storm team.
The last official match for 10 Minutes of Pain was against LD.
Match start. Two blasters rush, double nuke, 3 LD members dead
LD has a player conveniently disconnect. Restart match.
Match 2 start: We get the early lead, but they use vengeance stacking to roll us. Same for match 3.
We only had one person with Veng (and it wasn't until after the match that he explained how teams were now stacking vengeance for a big advantage). We decided not to fight any more for a while because we thought that using the exploit was lame and didn't want to practice using it, but could see that fighting without using it was suicide.
I know I was slow in learning about the effects of Veng stacking, but I really lost respect for LD when I learned of the exploit. Their claims of being "arguably the Best SG ever" just make me laugh. Using an exploit to roll groups who don't know about it doesn't win a group many points in my book.
Though our group was made of vet pvPers, we had been out of the hard core official match scene on Test for a while, and were just tryin' to get together for some fun matches with other groups. LD looked like the best group at the time, so we challenged them to see how we'd fare against the best. It would have been a much more fun and interesting match if they hadn't been using an incredibly powerful exploit.
LD definitely had a great group of players, and I'm sure they would have been fine without the exploit. It's too bad that no group was willing to say "Hey this exploit is ridiculous, and shouldn't be used" until after Castle posted that it was an exploit and suggested banning it.
I'm glad to see that now there appears to be a general feeling among groups that true exploits should be brought to everyone's attention.
I just read some pages of this thread that I missed previously. This is a great thread!
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Granted HR was badass back in the day. During Tribute's run that was the only team we faced that we didn't totally oblilerate and they were actually low scoring matches. It's too bad they weren't more active since I'm sure they would have been a huge force for quite some time, they just didnt have enough people. In our 'official' against them, it was supposed to be 8v8, but i think we had to cut it to 7v7 because of lack of players on their side. One thing tribute had going for it was we had a deep roster of about 20 people, which was actually big at the time for a pvp group. Though in i4 HR was the only SG I saw as a 'threat' until HVND started becoming prominent.
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High praise from the Nino!
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It featured the first time a rad/psi defender was used in an official match (Chris Havok on Rad Hawk), and the last time a spines/regen scrapper was used in an official match (Rystorm).
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For the record, I had definitely used my rad/psy defender, VX, in an official match prior to Tribute leaving the game and coming back. Peritus and I were the only rad/psy's I ever saw on test for a good while.
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I just read some pages of this thread that I missed previously. This is a great thread!
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Granted HR was badass back in the day. During Tribute's run that was the only team we faced that we didn't totally oblilerate and they were actually low scoring matches. It's too bad they weren't more active since I'm sure they would have been a huge force for quite some time, they just didnt have enough people. In our 'official' against them, it was supposed to be 8v8, but i think we had to cut it to 7v7 because of lack of players on their side. One thing tribute had going for it was we had a deep roster of about 20 people, which was actually big at the time for a pvp group. Though in i4 HR was the only SG I saw as a 'threat' until HVND started becoming prominent.
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High praise from the Nino!
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It featured the first time a rad/psi defender was used in an official match (Chris Havok on Rad Hawk), and the last time a spines/regen scrapper was used in an official match (Rystorm).
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For the record, I had definitely used my rad/psy defender, VX, in an official match prior to Tribute leaving the game and coming back. Peritus and I were the only rad/psy's I ever saw on test for a good while.
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really? which official was that? I don't recall ever seeing any on any official unti lthat match.
You really made a bias story, but okay.
Veng at the time wasn't a secret, if any groups on test didn't know about veng then lol them. 10mop not knowing about veng stacking displays their lack of practice on test as it was impossible to find a group who didn't try to stack veng when veng was allowed. You've already read the NDX and FoL practiced Veng gathers. OS practiced, but were in a little bit of a loop as they had just lost some key players to HVND (RIP Veil). Hvnd was extremely private with their practices, which is why them bringing a storm team against LD was a pretty big suprise. If you want to say pvp is more fun now than it was back then, you can; I think matches with a total kill count of over 10 are more fun.
And Super max, I'm not upset, I just find it funny that you're trying to make it seem like old JaL wasn't awful by saying you beat LD in a pentad...that says enough about how serious I should take you.
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Yeah, you're right, we "practiced" by challenging groups to officials so we weren't doing daily practices with teams who were using the exploit
or else we would have known before we did. It was my fault for thinking a group of experienced players could jump right into official matches. I didn't know that we needed to practice using an exploit to compete with the top groups.
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really? which official was that?
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Sorry, but my memory's hazy and I hardly recall what I did this past weekend. Unfortunately, I don't have detailed records of every "official" match that I ever fought in with various SG's. HR didn't have a web site in those days, and I didn't go around screenshotting every match.
Penance losing to freaks displays how raw talent still needs to practice. Penance was an all-star roster, but Freaks worked their [censored] off.
the freaks roster at its prime was decked with badass players, what are you talking about?
there was a time when great pvpers like ajax, frozen, and max even spent time on the bench. freaks had a loaded roster.
Im not sayin that practice doesnt help. But do you want to use the one day of the week where youll have enough players for a full team on a practice match or an official match? Id rather do an official every time. I dont care if I lose, Ill just say GG and think of it as good practice. Win next time.
In response to Ajax, Im probably defining official differently. After arena came out, Protector players were among the first to flock to Test in hopes of more action, and HR had a lot of fights against other groups on Test. It might have been anywhere between 4 v 4 to 8 v 8 for any given fight and teams would fight any number of times. It was your group against their group, and thats as official as it ever got. Teams fought and didnt keep a record of it. Hard to believe I know. The Dark Ages.
Oh i'm not arguing that. Freaks had a crazy good roster and I've been lucky to play with great pvpers like Foo and Hans and even you and I know how good jax is.
I'm probably bias since i'm used to hearing about victory guys, but with people like Demon, Patient V, Loan, Lab and Cuch (just to name a few) it seemed like on paper they should have been able to beat any SG.
lab's not from victory he's from lol protector
Xhiggy and HP say "hi".
Hugs and kisses from Xhigdizzle.
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I'm probably bias since i'm used to hearing about victory guys, but with people like Demon, Patient V, Loan, Lab and Cuch (just to name a few) it seemed like on paper they should have been able to beat any SG.
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Ya but Triboot had Deathstar and well, no wone can bet us..
Haha free weekend account activation FTW!!! This is prolly gonna be wayyyyy TL;DR, and I need to make multiple posts to get it all out, but I figure some people will actually take the time to read it. Enjoy!
-FooManchu
FREAKS a.k.a Freaks of Legend The Golden Age
These were the days that we were referred to strictly as Freaks. Not FoL, thats a different era of the Freaks of Legend. The days of the Freaks were the good ol days, I miss those times. With Riddle and Gahd taking breaks from the game a little after issue 4 came out, I became the leader of the Freaks of Legend PvP squad. Kyle and Hans drunken rants on Vent, priceless
Back then our roster was:
[u]Original Starters:[u]
FooManchu Ice/Eng Blaster, Eng/Eng, Mind/Kin(Tera Winters, FooManchu, Psyco Foo)
Shawn Ice/Eng Blaster, Ill/rad (Artic Strike, Ghost Sage)
Hans Rad/Psi, Ice/Eng, Ill/emp (Cerebral Peaness, Duff.Chick, Narcolucy)
Kyle (firewire) Ill/Kin (-oral fixation)
Dave (Relativator) Grav/Kin
Aura Emp def, ill/emp(Dark Healz, Bad Magick)
Will (Super Chick) Emp Def, Ill/Emp (Saphyre, Counterfeit)
* Blind Sight Emp Def
HiFi Inv/Eng Tanker
* Blind had a busy schedule so he wouldnt always be able to make matches, but when he did we got him in emping with Aura. Our usual team make-up was 2 blasters, 2 kins, 2 emps, 1 rad/psi, and a Taunt bot (tank or scrapper). Of course this was when taunt was viable in PvP.
[u]B-Team:[u]
Dr. Cozy Emp Def, Elec/Eng
Peter (Stormbringer) Storm/elec, mind/bub, Ice/storm
Andy (Onizuka) Fire/kin (Kasei Oni)
Maximum Ice/Eng blaster
Ms. July Blaster
Dumok Blaster
Freezer Burn Blaster
NeX Spines/Regen
OldSkhool Blaster, Spines/Regen
Noranaga Son Ice/kin
Mac Daddy B Blaster
Healer Hank Emp Def
Gibson Ill/emp ( S H A R O N A)
Blue Heeler Inv/SS tank
Magnus Star Inv/SS tank (creator of Trailblazer badge)
*Notice Monkeybut isnt on any of these lists, kthnx
[u]Later Pickups:[u]
**Ajax (was a badger on Liberty lol) Earth/Kin, Fire/Kin (Reverse Cowgirl, NY ATC)
**Labrynth (from Penance) Ill/emp
**Ry Storm (El Nino, from Tribute) Spines/Regen, Pad/Psi, Storm Def (Cant Bet Me, PsiTech, Storm Angel)
Frozen Fist (from Tribute) Ice/Ice blaster, Bub defender (St. Jimmy)
Outtie (from Tribute)Emp Def
Xhiggy (met during zone PvP) Ice/Eng tanker
** Became Starters
[u]The Early Days[u]
Freaks of Legend was a SG based on the Liberty Server..Freaks PvP started when Issue 4 first came out. I wasnt even a part of the Freaks when Issue 4 came out; I was in a Hami Raid SG called Hamidon Death Squad (HDS). I was picked up by the Freaks after the Freaks vs. HDS SG Rumble in which the Freaks won by 3 kills (score was like 63-60 or sumthin).
Eventually I became PvP Leader and we first started off fighting for the Freedom Server on test when the Server vs. Server Arena battles were going on (even though we were from Liberty). We fought alongside Tribute against other servers that had some awesome PvP SGs like Hell Raisers, and Jagged Legion
but Tribute + Freaks = you cant bet us..
Freedumb vs. Virtue
Freedumb vs. Triumph
Freedumb vs. Infinity
[u] Kickball Pioneers![u]
We lived in the Arena, and we were the ones who started Kickball. Originally we did it on Liberty to get people to come to the arena because no other would fight against us, and we were really the only organized PvP SG on the server. Our SG was hated by pretty much everyone on Liberty because we were very very cocky, I mean we had Kyle and myself in the SG..nuff said. But kickball actually drew out A LOT of people to the arena, which was pretty much vacant from the start.
[u] LOL Hover..[u]
Hans was the mastermind when it came to team strategy, and toon PvP builds, and me Kyle and Hans would collaborate on what we should bring to our PvP matches. This is old school stuff, back when movement wasnt suppressed, people actually used 6 slotted Hover with a super speed bind to switch back and forth between the two
you could do some nasty dive-bombing with power boosted hover which was unsuppressed, and super speed. Then there was the whirlwind era for unsuppressed movement when attacking, you could super speed around the map while in the Total Focus animation.. Oh yeah, I also remember when Energy Melee would knock off all your toggles and you could stun-lock people haha.. tankers could not be killed, DM/SR was OP..hell Super Reflexes was God mode. Perma MoG (Moment of Glory) for Regens, when i4 first came out I had a perma MoG build on my BS/Regen scrapper named Statics Mama, and I used to 1 shot crit squishies with Headsplitter crits, and no one could touch me, except for blasters with PB+BU+Aim. Oh yeah and HOs were so OP..
[u]Small Time PvP matches[u]
We fought a lot of different SGs on test, and I have a lot of screenshots. We fought Anointed Brotherhood (ABH), Lords of the Dead (LOTD), Old School (OC) in a VG Match, Lions Den (LD), Justice for All League (JAL), Penance, Have a Nice Day (HVND), The Outlaws in a VG Match, Bedlam in a VG match, Legacy of Champions from Freedom, Jagged Legion from Pinnacle.. Most of the Matches were 20 min 8v8s though.