Ajax, the attitude change I described happened just before Alarys taking over. JAL started getting significantly better right around the time veng stacking reached its peak and LD was the undisputed best team around. We actually had some practices with LD that were really close...and actually beat them in a pentad practice. It was practice, but they had their top 5 players playing, so not much difference from a match. We couldn't beat LD or FoL or HVND, but we were very close to doing it.
Anyway, shortly after that, alarys and her friends joined...and I and a bunch of other people quit. And Alarys took the "win" attitude to a whole new level. Becoming #1 became the only thing that mattered. And it paid off only a couple months later.
I quit because I saw where the team was going, and I was over it. I think that competitively this game is a joke, so devoting my life to being #1 out of like 4 total teams was too much for me. And a few other JAL members felt the same way. So JAL basically became a brand new team. Totally new players, totally new strategy, and totally new results.
Well....not totally new players. There was, I believe, 2 players from the old JAL that still played when JAL became #1. Not sure if they played all matches, but they were at least still part of the team.
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Ajax, the attitude change I described happened just before Alarys taking over. JAL started getting significantly better right around the time veng stacking reached its peak and LD was the undisputed best team around. We actually had some practices with LD that were really close...and actually beat them in a pentad practice. It was practice, but they had their top 5 players playing, so not much difference from a match. We couldn't beat LD or FoL or HVND, but we were very close to doing it.
Anyway, shortly after that, alarys and her friends joined...and I and a bunch of other people quit. And Alarys took the "win" attitude to a whole new level. Becoming #1 became the only thing that mattered. And it paid off only a couple months later.
I quit because I saw where the team was going, and I was over it. I think that competitively this game is a joke, so devoting my life to being #1 out of like 4 total teams was too much for me. And a few other JAL members felt the same way. So JAL basically became a brand new team. Totally new players, totally new strategy, and totally new results.
Well....not totally new players. There was, I believe, 2 players from the old JAL that still played when JAL became #1. Not sure if they played all matches, but they were at least still part of the team.
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LOLOLOLOLOL! Are you kidding? NDX formed around the time LD left. We dominated JAL even from almost the get go. Then Psypunk cried and said all we could do was stack veng and we did a match with no veng and we only won like 60-4 instead of 63-3.
off topic maybe but bring back veng stacking pls. i was never part of that scene but it looked fun as [censored].
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The JAL team that got to be #1 had none, and I mean NONE of the regular original JAL players. Even Psypunk who was supposed to be their leader, was not part of the new PvP group that actually made it to the top.
Basically it was Alarys taking over JAL, and forming a totally new group, that although carried the same nametag, had nothing in common with the old group.
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That's not true. Supermax's decsription is pretty spot on....he was once an integral member in the group, so he does know a lot more than someone on the outside looking in. You really have no idea what you are talking about.
Yes our squads were almost entirely different between the old days and recent times, but I remained active throughout our entire run as did two other members. You might not have seen the other two members play in officials, but that doesn't mean they were useless members. Rag on Psypunk all you want, but it if wasn't for his constant presence and influence, JAL would not have lasted nearly as long as it did.
I enjoyed being part of the winning team Alarys helped mold in the end, but I also loved the early days even though we were considered "laughingstocks." It's a game. It was fun, win or lose.
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off topic maybe but bring back veng stacking pls. i was never part of that scene but it looked fun as [censored].
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JaL wasn't competitive with LD when they were at their peak.
Bring back veng stacking +1
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It's a game. It was fun, win or lose.
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There ya go.
"His Imperial Majesty's Minister of Restraints and Leather" -LHF
Two naughty acronym teams / Ascension / Convenient / Artic and the Chillz / Fap / Other teams I can't remember (sorry.. mind is goin')
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The JAL team that got to be #1 had none, and I mean NONE of the regular original JAL players. Even Psypunk who was supposed to be their leader, was not part of the new PvP group that actually made it to the top.
Basically it was Alarys taking over JAL, and forming a totally new group, that although carried the same nametag, had nothing in common with the old group.
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That's not true. Supermax's decsription is pretty spot on....he was once an integral member in the group, so he does know a lot more than someone on the outside looking in. You really have no idea what you are talking about.
Yes our squads were almost entirely different between the old days and recent times, but I remained active throughout our entire run as did two other members. You might not have seen the other two members play in officials, but that doesn't mean they were useless members. Rag on Psypunk all you want, but it if wasn't for his constant presence and influence, JAL would not have lasted nearly as long as it did.
I enjoyed being part of the winning team Alarys helped mold in the end, but I also loved the early days even though we were considered "laughingstocks." It's a game. It was fun, win or lose.
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QTF, was just about to point out you being a long term JAL member.
for you doubters, you can see hellter in one of the screenies posted earlier 
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LotD - JaL - POWT/SMD - SoCo - AJs
i dont agree about the fun losing bit tho lol
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LOLOLOLOLOL! Are you kidding? NDX formed around the time LD left. We dominated JAL even from almost the get go. Then Psypunk cried and said all we could do was stack veng and we did a match with no veng and we only won like 60-4 instead of 63-3.
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Am I kidding about what? Did I even mention NDX a single time in my post? Wtf does NDX have to do with anything?
I said we had close games with LD, the team that owned every other team at that time. I was there unlike you...so I know what happened. We'd lose by like 3-5 kills each time, but when the scores were like 25-21, 3 kills was a very close match. Yes, it was just practice. My point is that's when JAL started to get significantly better. Before that, it could hardly even be considered a true "PvP team".
Btw NDX lasted what...2 months?
Also, it's funny how you deny being elitist...and then like an hour later make the above post, making fun of another team and bragging about how awesome and how much better your team was. Hypocrisy ftw.
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The JAL team that got to be #1 had none, and I mean NONE of the regular original JAL players. Even Psypunk who was supposed to be their leader, was not part of the new PvP group that actually made it to the top.
Basically it was Alarys taking over JAL, and forming a totally new group, that although carried the same nametag, had nothing in common with the old group.
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That's not true. Supermax's decsription is pretty spot on....he was once an integral member in the group, so he does know a lot more than someone on the outside looking in. You really have no idea what you are talking about.
Yes our squads were almost entirely different between the old days and recent times, but I remained active throughout our entire run as did two other members. You might not have seen the other two members play in officials, but that doesn't mean they were useless members. Rag on Psypunk all you want, but it if wasn't for his constant presence and influence, JAL would not have lasted nearly as long as it did.
I enjoyed being part of the winning team Alarys helped mold in the end, but I also loved the early days even though we were considered "laughingstocks." It's a game. It was fun, win or lose.
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ok..I was wrong. Looks like there was one player left from their old days that did get to play regularly on Alarys's team.
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LOLOLOLOLOL! Are you kidding? NDX formed around the time LD left. We dominated JAL even from almost the get go. Then Psypunk cried and said all we could do was stack veng and we did a match with no veng and we only won like 60-4 instead of 63-3.
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Am I kidding about what? Did I even mention NDX a single time in my post? Wtf does NDX have to do with anything?
I said we had close games with LD, the team that owned every other team at that time. I was there unlike you...so I know what happened. We'd lose by like 3-5 kills each time, but when the scores were like 25-21, 3 kills was a very close match. Yes, it was just practice. My point is that's when JAL started to get significantly better. Before that, it could hardly even be considered a true "PvP team".
Btw NDX lasted what...2 months?
Also, it's funny how you deny being elitist...and then like an hour later make the above post, making fun of another team and bragging about how awesome and how much better your team was. Hypocrisy ftw.
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There's a difference between taking only leet members and LOLing at JAL.
NDX lasted 2 months maybe but we were better than JAL in that short time. Considering only one of us had ever PVP'd on test ever I think it was an accomplishment.
Also I said it because your timetable is off then. If you guys could keep it close with LD and get walloped by a brand new sg then something's wrong because LD was consistently better then us. Unless we just put in that much work but this is when you claim when JAL started to become serious.
Point is this, before Alalrys came JAL was a joke.
the team that beat velocity in the lab map had 5 people that had nothing to do with unleashed. 3 joined before the unleashed members joined and 2 that joined abit after.
alarys, pesky, raven and friction (hope im not forgetting an unleashed member) did of course have a massive impact and we never would of been the team we were without them but there were some other players there too.
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LotD - JaL - POWT/SMD - SoCo - AJs
I knew this thread would eventually turn into an internet fite. o:
lol yeah
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I knew this thread would eventually turn into an internet fite. o:
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You are way off when you say "Then they finally got tired of PvE and went all into PvP...started practicing regularly, actually set guidelines on recruitment"
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No man... well yeah we didn't really set guidelines on recruitment cuz we were trying to stay away from the "elitist" thing.
To clear up a few things....
OG JAL was not made up of a bunch of PvE noobs. We were just Tribute's fan club lol j/k. The players i met during their practices with Tribute had to overcome and take in alot of radical ideas; and they adapted, even copied, and later innovated new strats and line ups. That takes alot of hard work and skill, which old JAL had the potential of... I even trained some of the blasters back in the day on attack chains, when to melee, and even when to spike called targets. I got many of them to toss out useless pool selections. We also got Psi to stop using his stormie and lvl an emp lol. They researched and invested alot and i gave what little advice i could at the time. It paid off because our first milestone was when we barely squeezed out a win vs. Lion's Den back in 6/12/06 and we where actually recognized as a contender on the test league. Even though we lost to LD and FoL after and many most members left, it wasn't some land slide win for them anymore... some really close fights back then.
I left the game when vengeance stacking was on a rampage; by the time i came back, new JAL was already on a roll. Older members like myself didn't want to disrupt the good synergy they had even if we could take over whatever roll they had open on the line up. It'd be dope if OG JAL got back together and proved our worth kinda like the HVND vs Tribute fight lol... yeah....
Some stuff that was missed earlier:
LBE used to be bugged and i used it in my 4 taunt build and taunted half the opposing players on PuGs. Labrynth told me to please stop cuz im exploiting it lol.
Not many players knew how to counter TK, hurrican, and FB. People cried nerf in base raids and arena.
SR was god mode!
Inv/Em was the best dueling build.
Blasters told my tank that they should have rolled a tank in order to get more kills lol. In a PuG, i did get more kills on my tank than Lab's blaster one time... he got griefed a lil' for that hehe.
SoE (Son of Earth) was rumored to be the best arena player EvaR on his Earth/Emp (At least on Freedom with his 5000+ arena score) lol.
The harmless word 'di ...ls' was created by Ry.
And why hasn't anyone mentioned Peritus, the guy who solved ALL of your guys' PvP arguments/problems with one post, and was revered as all knowing. That's big time arena history.
It's not just about what the Big SGs do, but the little things matter to.
Ld and Jal weren't close.
I remember one practice match before your official with whoever, fol maybe, i dont remember. We did a 20 min match and it was something like 120-8. I can't remember ever having a close practice match with JaL in LD, as said before, JaL was kind of the whipping boy of SGs.
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LOLOLOLOLOL! Are you kidding? NDX formed around the time LD left. We dominated JAL even from almost the get go. Then Psypunk cried and said all we could do was stack veng and we did a match with no veng and we only won like 60-4 instead of 63-3.
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Am I kidding about what? Did I even mention NDX a single time in my post? Wtf does NDX have to do with anything?
I said we had close games with LD, the team that owned every other team at that time. I was there unlike you...so I know what happened. We'd lose by like 3-5 kills each time, but when the scores were like 25-21, 3 kills was a very close match. Yes, it was just practice. My point is that's when JAL started to get significantly better. Before that, it could hardly even be considered a true "PvP team".
Btw NDX lasted what...2 months?
Also, it's funny how you deny being elitist...and then like an hour later make the above post, making fun of another team and bragging about how awesome and how much better your team was. Hypocrisy ftw.
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Let's see . . . the core people of NDX's first practice on test was against the Freaks on December 5th 2006 when we were still Nightmare Titans and Vanguard League and both groups just ringing for each other. By January 13th we'd coalesced enough under the name POVL to get challeneged to an official by OS. So, yeah, we were there, and we were practicing when LD was still around. My photobucket has plenty of screenies of us getting beat down by LD if you'd like to see them.
I'd assume the reason Ed brought up NDX is because we were handily beating JAL and losing substantially to LD almost all the time (barring the infamous semi-afk practice round), so to hear that a team that we were better than was equal to a team that we were worse than raises a few logic bells.
In December I know JAL was a mess due to losing players, and during that winter and spring you guys quite frankly sucked. (I'm not saying that rudely. Everyone sucked at one point. We sucked Dec '06-Feb '07.) I'd say sometime in May JAL became a respectable team, and by June I'd say you were competing for the top. Obviously, I was on the outside, and I don't know how much was really the internal leadership of the few surviving JALies, but to me it looked like Alarys and the new recruits turned the team around, and deserve substantial credit for it.
Check my previous post... JAL did win vs LD on 6/12/06.
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That would be before my time, since I started PvPing in the fall of '06.
Maybe I'm mistaken, but wouldn't that also be before LD got good? My understanding of arena history puts that right around the time of the Penance rebellion.
Read my post. I said LD at peak, not right after they lost all their players to penance. Ld started their winning streak against Lotd and beat almost every SG in the game, never fought Velocity I think.
That would be correct. LD was the whipping boy prior to the new group, which included Myk, Pan, Hoj and Sing, joined. They picked up a lot of new players and switched to intense practicing schedules. While Rift did take things a bit serious, he whipped those boys into shape.
But yes, prior to that, LD was in fact no good. I remember being on the ducks vent and them trashing the den. Long time ago.
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I remember a Penance vs JAL match where I scored 61 kills on my ice/devices blaster.
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Like Lab said, JAL was a completely different team then.
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JAL wasn't a "PvP team" until like a year ago. Up until then, it was a normal SG that did PvP on the side. Naturally it couldn't compete with teams that were specifically created for PvP and did nothing but PvP (like every single other PvP team ever). They allowed absolutely anybody to join, as long as they were cool people. Skill didn't matter. If someone wanted to PvP, they could PvP with JAL (after getting turned down by everybody else). Essentially JAL was the only non-elitist team in the game....the only team that didn't look down on people if they lacked "mad pvp skillz".
Then they finally got tired of PvE and went all into PvP...started practicing regularly, actually set guidelines on recruitment, and became another one of the "win at all costs" PvP teams. And a little while later got to be #1. Just shows what it takes to win.
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LOL.
If being elitest means wanting to pvp with people you consider friends then you might be right.