Discussion: NCsoft NorCal Executives on IGN.com
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Posted on: 2008-04-03 15:48 in News, Events and Announcement Discussion
Now NancY, I hope I have not done anything to deserve being called a sheep.
In any case, no harm in dialoguing with LH, is there? Worst case, he lies to you. Best case, you bring up concerns he had not considered and he gets them addressed in a way that is palatable to you.
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I Googled the Privacy Policy by Double Fusion
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But we are putting no new program from DF on our computers - it will be done by the game itself (by adding changing the code in it)- which means the game's ToS/Clickthrough is what will apply. And Positron, I think (one of the NC^2 guys) stated that the ToS/Eula will not be changed.
They did mention regional ads - but so far only in the context that Europe will have their own set.
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How are they going to know if you've actually SEEN the ad if not through some means that many players might take issue with?
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The game already notes where you are as you move - they mentioned that for it to count you will need to be within so much distance of the billboard. can't recall if it actually has to display on your screen though.
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1. stay out-optable.
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Positron has already clearly stated that if the opt-out is ever removed, it will be because they are removing the ad system entirely.
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2. stay on the ad spots no loading crap or random pop ups etc.
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Popups and zoning ads would hardly be immersive.
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3. Give players the option to submit ads for events, or item sells or sg's etc... essentialy game related stuff only, for a small fee that lets the ad circulate on some of the billboards and such for a few days. And rotate the players who's ads are up so as to not give one sg a player ad monopoly. So u can have ur real life related ads (energy drinks etc) and player game related ads. This would perhaps encourage people to switch to ads on so they dont miss out on great events or sg's or sales etc in game!
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They did already mention player submitted content would be put in - and the ad spots are re-assigned upon zoning. So when you exit a mission, the ads may of change.
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4. Allow players who opt in to get small almost unnoticable amounts of prestige for their sg or perhaps a costume piece if they have ads on for a certain amount of time. But not enough to give them any sort of advantage so players do not feal forced to opt in.
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What good is a costume piece if it cannot be seen? And frankly, I don't want to see Captain Amazings - unless I can "accidentally" fry him (or her) with lethal amounts of electricity. And the prestige bit would be a bad idea. People would complain (rightfully, I think) that they are being punished for not wanting to be exposed to real ads. Some people are sick to death of them already! I live in a place that barely has bus service, and I can't drive around downtown without seeing those ad trucks, and it's been that way for a year now.
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Negaduck: I see you found the crumb. I knew you'd never notice the huge flag.
I think this a great idea to generate more money for the game. I cant believe it took this long too do. Although i do like the Vanguard posters/billboards and think they should stay, unless the devs and advertisers are really Rikti, hmm.
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No. I heard the interview, which apparently many of you haven't. It's not even lrn2read, it's lrn2hear. You all deserve what you get.
Me, yeah, I'm out after my last 3 hour session in the once a week SG I belong to. My account is paid to August though, fan that I was I always bought a year in advance. On both accounts. So technically, I can post till August but why bother?
So many of you are just mindless sheep there's no way to reach you and have you question things for your own good. Most of you don't even know how this is going to work, because you didn't listen to the interview. But keep putting your assumptions out there, that's the way sheep like it.
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BAAAAHHHH!
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So many of you are just mindless sheep there's no way to reach you and have you question things for your own good.
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Yep. I'm a mindless sheep!
Check my post history and view the 'little arguement' I'm in with Castle in two different threads. Yep, that's me! The Dev brownnosing yes-man! For those of you who have no friggin clue who I am (which I'm pretty sure is most of you, I doubt that I'm anywhere near as well-known on these boards as my ego would like to believe) I'm the guy that started the whole serious of "devs are supporting GBLT events but deleting posts by the rest of us" threads. Remember those? The ones that prompted Ex Libris to post an entirely new set of rules for the events forum? (Yes, I'm pretty proud of the fact that I am nearly single-handedly responsible for the rules changes. Thanks for asking.)
I was involved in a little flamewar awhile back. You may remember it. That little stalker-blaster dust up a few months ago? Dozens of threads were locked or deleted. Frankly I'm surprised that I wasn't temp-banned over some of the stuff I posted.
So now that you know who I am Nancy... let me tell you that I am actually happy about this. I think it's a good thing that NCSoft gets the word about CoH/V out on websites. Brings more players and all. I think it's a good thing that NCSoft will be getting more revenue. More money means increased longevity for my favorite game. I think it's a good thing that real life billboards for real life products will actually increase the immersion.
And I think that you and your fellow whiners are being ridiculous. If you don't like the ads then click the [censored] "opt out" button for [censored] sake.
That was you in the general sense. And I didn't say all of you. I think the ones I'm speaking of know who they are.
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They did mention regional ads - but so far only in the context that Europe will have their own set.
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Well, I don't get that. Why do they need to know your IP address when the NA and the EU servers have different NCSoft servers? Posi flat out said it's so they know what country's ads to send to you but I say that's not the whole story.
And yes, you have to actually have the ad on your screen for it to count. So all the people saying "It's great because it'll help the game financially, but I'm opting out, thanks" are not revenue producing players. So...what then? You'll have ads but no money coming in? Or very little money from the few that do opt in? How is that helping the game and where will it go from there?
You're right, I won't be here. I guess I shouldn't care what happens to any of you, even the decent people. Good luck.
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The ad company Double Fusion will have no clue if you saw there ad or not. All they will ever get is a count that last night 400,000 people logged in and 150,000 of them had ads turned off. Thats all the reporting info that will go back to them.
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Incorrect. There will be a way to see if someone was in place to view the ad. Mostly, if you are within X feet of it.
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Negaduck: I see you found the crumb. I knew you'd never notice the huge flag.
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Posi flat out said it's so they know what country's ads to send to you but I say that's not the whole story.
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But IPs are apparently the only ID'ing info, which just says you are served by this ISP in that region.
Even though there are both Euro and US servers, there are Canadians, Australians, etc, that play this game.
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Negaduck: I see you found the crumb. I knew you'd never notice the huge flag.
Oh yeah, I forgot to add that they zones that have no billboards, or few of them, will be getting billboards and ads too. Source:The radio interview. So the first new things that will be added to the game is more advertisement space. Good use of the extra revenue. lol
I can quote it, when you get to that spot correct my mistakes:
Posi: "The IP address is used to, uh, you know, for regional uh, advertising so we don't give you European ads when you're in America."
As I said, we already have separate servers from EU. Why the need for IP addresses?
Nobody's more evil than Nielsen.
C'mon Nancy, if you've bought something online, you're already exposed. Opt out if you don't like it. Or just quit.
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As I said, we already have separate servers from EU. Why the need for IP addresses?
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For people who live in the US but play on a EU server? Besides, they already have your IP logged as soon as you touch there servers. The only difference is that they will actually be making use of that info.
QR, if you ever look at naughty sites, you'll sometimes see "click here to find sexy singles in your area!". Lo and behold, it's my area! How'd they do that? (sarcasm, I know how they do that)
It doesn't work though, I've never found sexy singles in my area.
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QR, if you ever look at naughty sites, you'll sometimes see "click here to find sexy singles in your area!". Lo and behold, it's my area! How'd they do that? (sarcasm, I know how they do that)
It doesn't work though, I've never found sexy singles in my area.
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If you want some real fun, use a proxy from another state. Appparently the girls in thoes ads have twins in every area 
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Oh yeah, I forgot to add that they zones that have no billboards, or few of them, will be getting billboards and ads too.
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Orc&Pie No.53230 There is an orc, and somehow, he got a pie. And you are hungry.
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Negaduck: I see you found the crumb. I knew you'd never notice the huge flag.
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The ad company Double Fusion will have no clue if you saw there ad or not. All they will ever get is a count that last night 400,000 people logged in and 150,000 of them had ads turned off. Thats all the reporting info that will go back to them.
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Incorrect. There will be a way to see if someone was in place to view the ad. Mostly, if you are within X feet of it.
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Ok, how will they do this? Are you talking about the software mentioned on Double Fusions web page? Ie the software they aren't using?
Your claim doesn't match anything said by the devs, they have actually stated that their will be no reporting on how many people saw ad X. So again where do you get this?
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Oh yeah, I forgot to add that they zones that have no billboards, or few of them, will be getting billboards and ads too. Source:The radio interview. So the first new things that will be added to the game is more advertisement space. Good use of the extra revenue. lol
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This, I think, is a legit concern, that the ads will result in an increase in the "visual pollution"* in the game. I don't want the game's zones to end up plastered with billboards and other ad spaces.
But it is a *very* effective way to insure that those who don't opt-out will see at least some of the ads, wherever they go in-game.
Someone want to do a count on the number of billboards in a given zone now? It'd be interesting to compare that number to when this goes live.
* the visual pollution applies whether the billboards are displaying fake or real ads. It's clutter either way.
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The ad company Double Fusion will have no clue if you saw there ad or not. All they will ever get is a count that last night 400,000 people logged in and 150,000 of them had ads turned off. Thats all the reporting info that will go back to them.
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Incorrect. There will be a way to see if someone was in place to view the ad. Mostly, if you are within X feet of it.
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Ok, how will they do this? Are you talking about the software mentioned on Double Fusions web page? Ie the software they aren't using?
Your claim doesn't match anything said by the devs, they have actually stated that their will be no reporting on how many people saw ad X. So again where do you get this?
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I want a definitive explaination on the possible spyware issue from a Red name.
I don't ask much from them. But this, is one of those things. It's all about my system's (and other people's of course) security. Allowing ONE Exception for spyware just opens the floodgates to a whole other slew of nasties out there.
I was helping a friend of mine get traffic for their adbrite pages....and I got no less than 8 warnings in under 2hrs for a win.32 trojan attempting to install itself on my computer.
Now if this is the crap I'm gonna have to deal with while playing CoH, They gotta come clean with it right now. And make sure that it's not a concern in the future.
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As I said, we already have separate servers from EU. Why the need for IP addresses?
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Actually I am the perfect example of why using IP addresses instead of just the server location is a good thing.
I am American. My account is on the American servers. I was in Seattle when I started my account. However, I am currently living in Germany with my lovely (native German) wife and our two sons.
So yes. Putting advertisements for products that I cannot purchase would be a great way for advertisers to waste their money.
Also, I know for a fact that there are players on the American servers that do not live in America, and some of them have never even been to America. So posting ads for American products on their computers wouldn't be all that smart either.
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1) Immersion--You can't even turn around in real life without having product placement crammed up your... well, you know. It actually irritates me when I'm playing a game in a modern setting and brand logos aren't plastered all over the place. It makes everything seem so dead.
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Which is why I hate the idea. I already have this [censored] crammed down my throat ever single day of my life. I dont need it in my face while gaming (in this game or in any other, for that matter).
I still think it's a amazingly bad idea no matter how it's prettied up.
A Few Questions:
<ul type="square"> [*] Will advertisers be able to bid against each other for placement of their ads in some sort of "dutch auction" arrangement?[*] Are all of the locations with billboards going to have unique IDs when it comes to these advertisers, so - say - we are less likely to run across the same ad over and over?[*] Will advertisers be able to shape their campaign based on the particular city zone, server? [*] What are some of the management metrics you have for shaping placement?[*] What sorts of statistics (aggregate or not) about player activity or information will you be sharing with Double Fusion as part of the partnership?[*] Will City of Heroes / City of Villains players be eligible for any sort of discount for ad placement for their in-game activities (Super/Villain Group Ads, etc.)?[*] Could the City Vault have some sort of archive space with a list and photos of all the current and past ads?[*] Will we be able to petition ads we feel are inappropriate / out of context with the game or will it be opt-in / opt-out only?[/list]-----------------------------
I'm all for the ads myself, its a nice touch - NCsoft seems committed to making sure the ads make sense in the context of the game environment and that they had editorial control on what goes in and what doesn't. (just like any other major media platform)
My hope is advertisers take the opportunity to be part of our community seriously and do their best to make the ads reflect the atmosphere of the game.
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As I stated in the other thread about in-game advertising, I pesronally don't like the idea, but I realize that this is a good revenue stream for game development. Since it would appear that they will not be adding billboards and banners but using those already in existence I see no problem. Especially when you consider billboards as landing and bouncing places while SuperJumping, it is highly unlikeyl that I know what is on any particular billboard. So how does that affect their statistics? The same way my ignoring TV ads affects those statistics. unless they use some kind of metric to determine whether I was there long enough to even notice the ad. Good Luck with this NCSoft.
Yikes...if that article didn't scare you about the future of in-game advertising, I don't know what will.
I'm amazed they actually said they'd be doing everything they could to get us to look at the ads and opt-in...and that this is just the START of IGA!!
Seriously, I'm hoping this fails miserably cuz no good can come from this. Advertisers are already influencing game development decisions and they're not even in-game yet!
*shudder*
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No. I heard the interview, which apparently many of you haven't. It's not even lrn2read, it's lrn2hear. You all deserve what you get.
Me, yeah, I'm out after my last 3 hour session in the once a week SG I belong to. My account is paid to August though, fan that I was I always bought a year in advance. On both accounts. So technically, I can post till August but why bother?
So many of you are just mindless sheep there's no way to reach you and have you question things for your own good. Most of you don't even know how this is going to work, because you didn't listen to the interview. But keep putting your assumptions out there, that's the way sheep like it.