Discussion: Positron on Gamedaily About Issue 10
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Posted on: 2007-06-27 15:50 in News, Events and Announcement Discussion
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There is a rumor that Issue 10 will include more base enhancements and upgrades. Care to comment?
I dont know where the rumor started, but we didnt have any time to include new base items for Issue 10.
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You don't know where it started? Seriously?
From the Interview with Serdar:
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LadyMage: Positron mentioned back in an interview last year about looking into changing SG membership from 75 characters to 75 accounts. Could we get an update on that? Is it feasible, is it coming, is it backburnered or scrapped, and why? It's a feature I know a lot of SGs, preticularily larger ones are looking forward to.
Serdar Copur: Something along the lines of this is definitely coming. In fact, I will go so far as to say that both Supergroups and Bases will be getting some much needed love over the next few updates. We are fully aware that MMOGs are all about the social element and we want to support that as much as possible.
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Yeah, like I posted in another thread... the above interview happened before issue 9. It's perfectly reasonable that people would have expected at least some of this "love" with either issue 9 or issue 10, but none of it materialized (and no, I don't consider the Inventions stuff or the Fusion Generator to be much in terms of base love). Not sure why Posi's acting like that expectation just came out of nowhere.
It would have been perfectly fine to just say they didn't have time to get around to it or that plans had changed, but to act baffled over why we might think we'd get something for bases this issue is a tad funny.
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There is a rumor that Issue 10 will include more base enhancements and upgrades. Care to comment?
I dont know where the rumor started, but we didnt have any time to include new base items for Issue 10.
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You don't know where it started? Seriously?
From the Interview with Serdar:
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LadyMage: Positron mentioned back in an interview last year about looking into changing SG membership from 75 characters to 75 accounts. Could we get an update on that? Is it feasible, is it coming, is it backburnered or scrapped, and why? It's a feature I know a lot of SGs, preticularily larger ones are looking forward to.
Serdar Copur: Something along the lines of this is definitely coming. In fact, I will go so far as to say that both Supergroups and Bases will be getting some much needed love over the next few updates. We are fully aware that MMOGs are all about the social element and we want to support that as much as possible.
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Serdar never said I10. In fact, he never said a number. So, rumormongers take
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Supergroups and Bases will be getting some much needed love over the next few updates.
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One of the developers said bases are getting an upgrade in the next update!
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Also, keep in mind that Serdar isn't a developer. He's a producer. A business guy, not a tech guy.
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Serdar never said I10. In fact, he never said a number.
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Of course not. He did say "over the next few updates," though. The interview was in April. Issues 9 and 10 would fall within "the next few updates," would they not?
I'm fine with issue 10, I think it's great. I understand that plans can change and things may take longer than originally stated. But I also think it was perfectly reasonable to think, given Serdar's statement, that since issue 9 didn't have any real base love, that issue 10 *might* have some. It just would have been nice to have that acknowledgement from Positron rather than him implying that it was just some crazy rumor that materialized out of thin air.
Maybe Serdar doesn't know the proper context in which to use the phrase "over the next few" in?
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There is a rumor that Issue 10 will include more base enhancements and upgrades. Care to comment?
I dont know where the rumor started, but we didnt have any time to include new base items for Issue 10.
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You don't know where it started? Seriously?
From the Interview with Serdar:
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LadyMage: Positron mentioned back in an interview last year about looking into changing SG membership from 75 characters to 75 accounts. Could we get an update on that? Is it feasible, is it coming, is it backburnered or scrapped, and why? It's a feature I know a lot of SGs, preticularily larger ones are looking forward to.
Serdar Copur: Something along the lines of this is definitely coming. In fact, I will go so far as to say that both Supergroups and Bases will be getting some much needed love over the next few updates. We are fully aware that MMOGs are all about the social element and we want to support that as much as possible.
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Hmm, he said "next few updates", not I10 specifically.
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I'm actually pleased to see CoX adopting this trope, too- it deepens the "comics" feel of the setting.
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Adopting? They have been using the issues to make literary references since i1.
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There is a rumor that Issue 10 will include more base enhancements and upgrades. Care to comment?
I dont know where the rumor started, but we didnt have any time to include new base items for Issue 10.
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You don't know where it started? Seriously?
From the Interview with Serdar:
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LadyMage: Positron mentioned back in an interview last year about looking into changing SG membership from 75 characters to 75 accounts. Could we get an update on that? Is it feasible, is it coming, is it backburnered or scrapped, and why? It's a feature I know a lot of SGs, preticularily larger ones are looking forward to.
Serdar Copur: Something along the lines of this is definitely coming. In fact, I will go so far as to say that both Supergroups and Bases will be getting some much needed love over the next few updates. We are fully aware that MMOGs are all about the social element and we want to support that as much as possible.
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Hmm, he said "next few updates", not I10 specifically.
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and posi said he has never heard of this update,which is it?
told to us by a dev..then another dev says huh?
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Alright. I like to think that I can correct myself when I am wrong just as much as I give my thoughts on things so... after complaining about no Villain AT's last night I logged in and did the Lady Grey TF. I had a lot of fun and really enjoyed the new maps, the new power fx, and I would almost swear that they made Fly more tweaked somehow. I was able to control myself better. But I read nothing on that and I won't try to spread a rumor. (whispers: but I'd almost swear it isn't the same. ) I am appeased. I won't knock the issue at all since all I really had to complain about is the lag and that The Honoree was bugged and didn't put up a fight.
So... good work Posi and everyone who worked on it. I'd suggest no one start complaining until they actually see it. It was nice to be able to team with the Heroes again. I also really like the new costume pieces. (donut toss to Jay!)
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On the topic of no Villain AT's, I have faith in the devs. If it's delayed this much, they're obviously trying to make it as good as they can. I for one would rather have great AT's later than bad ones now.
Just my input into this. However it seems very likely that since issue 10 was being created parallel to issue 9 and the interview with Serdar Copur happened shortly before the release of issue 9 that it's entirely likely her statement is legitimate. In that in the next few issue's (to start the developmental process from the date of this interview) it is likely to see the changes to SG's will appear. So in other words, especially if they maintain their pace of running issue's in parellel to each other that could go as far as issue 14 or perhaps further if other things take priority.
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When will players be seeing epic villain archetypes?
We want to try to squeeze those in early next year, but its still up in the air.
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What kind of crap is that. How long do villiansactualy need to wait? 2-2 1/2 yrs just to have a maybe? Come on now. How long does it really take to come up with new Eat and have it done 'right' , as some have stated.
Out of every1 that said they can wait till there done "right". How many of them play mostly if not only hero side? How many already have access to an epic AT hero side? For thoughs of us that play only villian side sure as hell can wait . we've been waitting and getting really sick of being put on hold. I for one like many others i know are in the same boat. I have been play CoX for 33+mos now. Have no lvl 50s heros side and have NO desire to play heros ever again. Though i played since release. i have no toons past mids 30 have have deleted most to make room for villians. I do enjoy playing Villians. I have 1 lvl 50 sevral toons in the 40s and more toons in the 30s. With all the lack of content/attention CoV side gets Things do get very old. Its decesions like this is why villians have less players in general and decesions like this that dont make it appealling to get new ppl to play CoV. Yeas i know that I10 is Co-Op and is for every1 it doesn't address the issues we have been posting about at all. We still lack Content/EATS/SF/Trials/Badges/Balanced PPPs compaired to APPs. The list continues.
Though i10 might be alot of fun at first and ppl might enjoy it alot. Its only a matter of time befor the shine wears off and CoV will still be left with the same problems. Actuallly fixing some of the said things will go further longer then add new stuff. Fix what is already broken/lacking whatever you want to call it, first.
One is a designer-the other is a producer. So Im not too suprised there is some confusion here...but the community should bear in mind the final decision rests with the lead design team.
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Serdar may not know how English statements get translated to Board speak.
Developer says:
In the next few issues
Board people hear:
The next issue
Developer says:
Sometime next year
Board person hears:
We've given up on this one, we have reallocated the development time for this to vacations in Hawaii.
Developer says:
We don't have the technology to incorporate this feature at this time, but maybe someday it would be a nice thing to do.
Board person hears:
Please repeat the request on a new thread in all caps. Do not forget to include references to how I don't care about your $15 per month anymore.
So what Serdar should have said when asked about SG improvements was,
"We don't have the technology to do this at this time, but maybe we will have it for you next year." 
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When will players be seeing epic villain archetypes?
We want to try to squeeze those in early next year, but its still up in the air.
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What kind of crap is that. How long do villiansactualy need to wait? 2-2 1/2 yrs just to have a maybe? Come on now. How long does it really take to come up with new Eat and have it done 'right' , as some have stated.
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Hmmm... Long enough to develop an entire issue's worth of content from scratch? Oh, and all of that content will be gated solely to people who have a level 50 character in one faction of the game. Because clearly catering to a fraction of half of the playerbase should be a top priority of the devs.
This may come as a suprise to you, but right now Issue 11 is far enough in development that the devs can't add huge new features--IE, an Epic AT--to it. If, at this very moment, someone presented an argument for villain Epic ATs so pursuasive that the entire dev team was convinced that it should be their #1 priority, they still couldn't make it happen before I12, which will come out--this sounds familiar--early next year.
But, no, you guys keep on demanding an Epic AT for CoV every freaking day, as though you expect the devs to make it from scratch and push it live in less than 24 hours. And then you get mad that nobody takes your complaints seriously--go figure!
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Serdar may not know how English statements get translated to Board speak.
Developer says:
In the next few issues
Board people hear:
The next issue
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If it had been translated as "the next issue," then we all would have expected something in issue 9, since that was "the next issue" at the time of the interview. Thinking that "the next few issues" might include issues 9 and/or 10 isn't unreasonable in the least.
Like I said before, it's fine if things don't work out the way they planned. But you can't say that there wasn't good reason for people to expect something by now. Yes, nothing was promised for issue 10, but expectations *were* given for "the next few issues" before issue 9 went live, so it's not like it was just some player-made speculation created out of thin air.
If issue 11 turns out to have a bunch of sg and base lovin', then Serdar's statement will still be perfectly valid. Here's hoping. 
I too am disappointed by the delay in Villain EAT's. Since COV released I've gotten 2 heroes up into mid-late teens. I've got 2 level 50 villains, 1 at 30, and a few others in the teens.
I like COH, and I like playing the Kheldians.... but I LOVE COV. I've still got 3 villain AT's that I want to work up to 50, but I really want that Epic. Actually, I really want the Incarnates, but I'm perfectly happy to wait for an appropriate set of Olympian themed zones for them.
Server Transfers, Additional character slots and increasing the SG limits are also high on my QOL list.
i10 does look promising (can't get on test cause it never works for me) and I really do love the idea about cooperative missions especially the Task Force. Thing that I look on is how Lord Recluse and Statesman may combine forces to defeat a shared foe....I mean, they once were friends, hate each other's guts, and might become friends again? I'm a little confused of how the storyline is at the moment between good and evil. Don't get me wrong, the current storyline freakin rocks but looking at it for the future setup, again, I am confused LOL. Though that I can't get on test (tried but everything doesn't work) I'm hoping that we can somehow get into the Rikti fallen ship and/or go to their homeworld and see what happened to that first group of heroes that made an assault there from the first invasion 
On a side topic, I'm really hoping that i11 will bring us bigger SG rosters, new stuff to put in the bases, new power sets for Tankers and Scrappers, more coop missions, new content in PvP zones, and hoping for The Hollows zone to be restored instead of the plans for Boomtown clean up.
I hope someone at the office is making power sets for next issue or upcoming patches because we need them and players want them
One question that I want to ask....are we ever going to see world travel on here or maybe off world travel other than Portal Corp. and city zones? There are heroes stationed in Paragon City so, why not send heroes out to other places of the world/galaxy to help those in need as well? Would be kinda cool to do such a thing but I'm not sure how well the design team may like this idea.....
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On a side topic, I'm really hoping that i11 will bring us bigger SG rosters, new stuff to put in the bases, new power sets for Tankers and Scrappers, more coop missions, new content in PvP zones, and hoping for The Hollows zone to be restored instead of the plans for Boomtown clean up.
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Unfortunately I fully suspect that we will see the new power sets for Tankers and Scrappers prior to any CoV EAT's. Not sure why I bring that up but I just get that feeling.
Reading Posi's short blurb about the plans for EAT's is about the most I think I have ever heard him talk about CoV specific content in any given setting. At least since I7.
Yeah, I'm pretty ticked at the news about the EAT's for CoV. Thanks Posi and could you tell us if you happen to know when MUO's release date is?
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When will players be seeing epic villain archetypes?
We want to try to squeeze those in early next year, but its still up in the air.
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What kind of crap is that. How long do villiansactualy need to wait? 2-2 1/2 yrs just to have a maybe? Come on now. How long does it really take to come up with new Eat and have it done 'right' , as some have stated.
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Hmmm... Long enough to develop an entire issue's worth of content from scratch? Oh, and all of that content will be gated solely to people who have a level 50 character in one faction of the game. Because clearly catering to a fraction of half of the playerbase should be a top priority of the devs.
This may come as a suprise to you, but right now Issue 11 is far enough in development that the devs can't add huge new features--IE, an Epic AT--to it. If, at this very moment, someone presented an argument for villain Epic ATs so pursuasive that the entire dev team was convinced that it should be their #1 priority, they still couldn't make it happen before I12, which will come out--this sounds familiar--early next year.
But, no, you guys keep on demanding an Epic AT for CoV every freaking day, as though you expect the devs to make it from scratch and push it live in less than 24 hours. And then you get mad that nobody takes your complaints seriously--go figure!
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Well first of all, I will ask for it every day. I want the Devs, should they read this, to be reminded that is is very important to some of us. There has been talk of a villain Epic since release. If you get tired of reading of how people want the AT, then don't read the post.
This game seems to be praising balance, balance , balance all of the time. Well... those of use who play both Hero/Villain side can plainly see that it isn't balance when it comes to EAT's. And yes, it takes time. Yes, it requires a lot of material. This is understood. But phrases like the one first quoted like "try to" and "still up in the air" in the same sentence referring to something many of us look forward to is a bit frustrating. Demands are never met nicely, thus demands shouldn't be made here. However, I'm going to voice my want for the EAT villainside whenever I see an opportunity to do so in a related thread. I want it known that people want it. A Basic reply that is just as tired as the return rant you posted: Get used to it and too bad.
I think new power sets is a prime feature in keeping people interested in the game. That's what's exciting about leveling a new toon is the next new power you are going to get. So I'd love to see new ones put out! I do not like the khelds on Heroes but I'd love to try a new villain EAT.
There has been much speculation on the next "new" zone being on the Moon. Seems logical since it was on that poll they gave out and the newsies are always talking about the disturbance on the Moon affecting Faultline.
I too would love some SG/base love. I am disappointed they didn't have time for it. I am also disappointed that IoPs have seemed to be shelved permenantly.
But from the little I was on test, this new issue is bound to shake things up and I really enjoyed the parts I did experience whilst I was there! I'm thrilled for all the new content in the War Zone.
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When will players be seeing epic villain archetypes?
We want to try to squeeze those in early next year, but its still up in the air.
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What kind of crap is that. How long do villiansactualy need to wait? 2-2 1/2 yrs just to have a maybe? Come on now. How long does it really take to come up with new Eat and have it done 'right' , as some have stated.
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Hmmm... Long enough to develop an entire issue's worth of content from scratch? Oh, and all of that content will be gated solely to people who have a level 50 character in one faction of the game. Because clearly catering to a fraction of half of the playerbase should be a top priority of the devs.
This may come as a suprise to you, but right now Issue 11 is far enough in development that the devs can't add huge new features--IE, an Epic AT--to it. If, at this very moment, someone presented an argument for villain Epic ATs so pursuasive that the entire dev team was convinced that it should be their #1 priority, they still couldn't make it happen before I12, which will come out--this sounds familiar--early next year.
But, no, you guys keep on demanding an Epic AT for CoV every freaking day, as though you expect the devs to make it from scratch and push it live in less than 24 hours. And then you get mad that nobody takes your complaints seriously--go figure!
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Well first of all, I will ask for it every day. I want the Devs, should they read this, to be reminded that is is very important to some of us. There has been talk of a villain Epic since release. If you get tired of reading of how people want the AT, then don't read the post.
This game seems to be praising balance, balance , balance all of the time. Well... those of use who play both Hero/Villain side can plainly see that it isn't balance when it comes to EAT's. And yes, it takes time. Yes, it requires a lot of material. This is understood. But phrases like the one first quoted like "try to" and "still up in the air" in the same sentence referring to something many of us look forward to is a bit frustrating. Demands are never met nicely, thus demands shouldn't be made here. However, I'm going to voice my want for the EAT villainside whenever I see an opportunity to do so in a related thread. I want it known that people want it. A Basic reply that is just as tired as the return rant you posted: Get used to it and too bad.
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I agree completely. I will continue to post about wanting villian Epic ATs every time i see the chance too. Heros had then at the year mark. I just want whats equal,fair and getting rather tired of waiting. If MUO get more attention then CoV then yea ill probly leave for it due to the complete lack Dev attention to CoV. There talking about add more hero power set but villian Epics get a "maybe early next year if we can squzee it in". What kinda of crap is that.
If CoV cant get equal development time tine, how about seperating CoV/H. Ill pay for a subscripsion for CoV and cancell my CoH subscripsion with no hastation.
As far as a previous poster say it will take as long as it take s so stuff it so to speak. I would be cool with that if the Devs. were actualy working on them and just not ready yet. that would be fine. But there not working on them and they should have been. To hear early next year maybe is crap. Villians have been screaming for them since release. We been asking for epics and PPPS get fet fix/boosted or changed but we keep get ignored. So as long as we get ignored we will post as ask when and let the Devs know how much we wait them.
As far as all the post trying to flames us or get us to shut up. Save it plz. its not gonna happen. Just cause yall have Epics (weither you like them or not) dont try to mess it up for us. We should be able to have equal content and equvilent things to yall.
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I heard rumbling about possible forced Vill/hero team ups. I know that it's not going to happen. the TF is doable by full hero or full villain OR combo teams. So maybe those for which the idea of teaming with someone from the other side makes them gag, will be at ease and more willing to back this Issue release.
From what I have seen leaked out, I think the new costume pieces will be a fresh and cool thing to play with for awhile.
I think the delay on the Villain Epics are because of lack of new and fresh ideas. We all know that two of the many things that scare people are aliens and robots but that's been done alot. Sure there could be a robot force bent on the destruction of all life but that sounds so much like the borg. To me it's just so hard to come up with something original.
How much flack would the devs catch if they just threw out another set of alien epics? I think alot. So, I am one who is willing to let them think really hard and come up with something that is cool, instead of just throwing any old thing out there just to even things out.
But that's IMHO.
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Agreed.
I know its been forever and we're all antsy but I would want more than just an evil kheldian and if it is an evil kheldian, it needs to be way different than the Hero EATs. Over the last 3 years I've paid much attention to the devs and what they do and 9 times out of 10 they do an awesome job. I'm willing to wait for villain EATs so they can prove me right because the last thing I want is to have CoV turn into a dud because of something they rushed out.
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Agreed.
I know its been forever and we're all antsy but I would want more than just an evil kheldian and if it is an evil kheldian, it needs to be way different than the Hero EATs. Over the last 3 years I've paid much attention to the devs and what they do and 9 times out of 10 they do an awesome job. I'm willing to wait for villain EATs so they can prove me right because the last thing I want is to have CoV turn into a dud because of something they rushed out.
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This is what im talking about. It only mostly hero based ppl that aresay its cool we can wait, take your time, give it to us if/when you can. WhaT do they care, they have epics already. Though they might find it fun to try a villians epic. They play mostly Heros and have access to epics already. Plz stop try to make it seem that its cool we can wait 2 1/2 yrs if even then. Its not cool. Ppl that play mostly villians cant wait, we what parity.
Before im ask how i know this guys plays heros mostly look at his sig. Ha s a link to his hero sg not villians and has 2 lvl 50 heros where he can play epics already.
Plz heros stop trying to over shadow villiasn asking for epics. We know yall can wait for them. You already have them hero side where you spend most if not all of your time. For thous of us that play villians mostly if not completly we want them and in alot of our opions cant wait and think it should be taking priority . Dont believe actually read some to the topics in CoV forums. Its loaded with ppl crying for them. Only ppl that arnt are heros with access to epics already (go figure).
City of Villains got a bunch of things before City of Heroes did, Mayhem missions is one example. The devs try to create parity and it does seem to be improving. Now when new stuff is brought live, it generally is live on both games. True, villains needs its own epic set, and maybe for those that dont play heroes a kheldian type wouldnt be rehash. However if they wish to capture a larger audience and encourage CoH players by tempting them with a completely new AT they need to roll out something other than what is currently available. Sometimes it helps to be the squeaky wheel, but you do not want them to rush something out just to quiet the whining. Be carefull what you whine for, if you get something that is rushed and you dont like it, you are pretty much stuck with it!
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There is a rumor that Issue 10 will include more base enhancements and upgrades. Care to comment?
I dont know where the rumor started, but we didnt have any time to include new base items for Issue 10.
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You don't know where it started? Seriously?
From the Interview with Serdar:
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LadyMage: Positron mentioned back in an interview last year about looking into changing SG membership from 75 characters to 75 accounts. Could we get an update on that? Is it feasible, is it coming, is it backburnered or scrapped, and why? It's a feature I know a lot of SGs, preticularily larger ones are looking forward to.
Serdar Copur: Something along the lines of this is definitely coming. In fact, I will go so far as to say that both Supergroups and Bases will be getting some much needed love over the next few updates. We are fully aware that MMOGs are all about the social element and we want to support that as much as possible.
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