I think Sooner's got a good idea as well. Not everyone is going to remember to code their topics
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Hopefully this whole concept works.
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As far as solutions, I like the suggestion that the OP has some rights and responsibility to watch their thread take shape. I guess on the title system, as I was thinking about this on my commute, that the good old Chaotic, Neutral, Lawful system would probably be a decent metric.
Ex.
Event: Friday 7 PM PST Be there! (Lawful)
Silliness Abounds! (Chaotic)
What costume should I get for my Dom? (Neutral)
It's a suggestion that I think for this server could work.
What are your thoughts?
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First thought: silly beyond words.
Second thought: unworkable.
Third thought: if something this stupid is being seriously considred, then some people aren't just being over-sensitive, they're on the verge of being mentally unstable.
@Golden Girl
City of Heroes comics and artwork
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I am mentally unstable! Haven't we cleared this up already?
Well not mentally unstable but a bit crazy. Call it what you will! 
Ah well...
It is better then nothing. Also, If we actually try to be positive on the matter maybe it will work.
Ok, this is the last I'm gonna say here. IMO, this thread needs to be copied slightly edited and stickied globally like the how to get to test server thread. This is a global problem that needs to be addressed globally. As it is just being targeted at a small group that is small part of the problem, it seems to show the moderators don't know what's going on here, other than what they arbitrarily choose to read in their PM box. And in the end, nothing is really gonna come of this until those who continue to thread jack and flame others start loosing posting privileges. That's human nature and the internet for ya...
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So then Ex, I want to come here, but the problems you've posted here are a problem everywhere, so I don't feel it's worth the time. You guys gonna do anything about thread jacking and intolerance everywhere because me and many others care about other sections too? Well, regardless, after i9 testing, I and many others have become pretty disillusioned about player input and how you guys take it into consideration, if you even bother reading any of it.
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Disillusionment about feedback and whether it is received or is bound to happen. There is a lot of great feedback about I9 and we are working on a big upcoming patch that includes a lot of that updates and fixes, I believe Lighthouse will be making a post later today but in essence we do hear you, it is the commenting that is the tougher part.
We sometimes have over 10k posts a day, that is a lot of data to process, but we make a dent on it daily.
I don't think this topic applies to all people, and as some have already mentioned they think the idea is unworkable, but I believe those are people who aren't necessarily affiliated to Protector as much as following the Community Digest. This topic was and still is listed in the opening title.
Meeting everyone's needs is highly impossible, but we try and keep a balance. We are working daily with our moderator teams to keep things as on track as possible, without disrupting the culture of the community.
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Ok, this is the last I'm gonna say here. IMO, this thread needs to be copied slightly edited and stickied globally like the how to get to test server thread. This is a global problem that needs to be addressed globally. As it is just being targeted at a small group that is small part of the problem, it seems to show the moderators don't know what's going on here, other than what they arbitrarily choose to read in their PM box. And in the end, nothing is really gonna come of this until those who continue to thread jack and flame others start loosing posting privileges. That's human nature and the internet for ya...
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Just checking, have you PM'd the mods? Or perhaps Ex? He seems to have taken care of the matter in a timely way and I am sure he would be more than willing to hear out your concerns with a sympathetic ear. Thanks! And now, back to Protector discussions!
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@Golden Girl
City of Heroes comics and artwork
I think some type of neutral/lawful/titling/coding system would work best. That way there would be a place for everyone- for those who would prefer that a thread stay on topic, and also for those who wish to threadjack to their hearts content (for lack of a better expression).
Overall, I do think there are many viewpoints that have been stated over these pages that have merit. Live and let live, though caution has to be exercised so that any personal philosophy we have in this regard doesn't make life miserable for someone else. The OP, rightly, sets the overall tone for the thread in question, and so if a request is made for it not to be jacked, then he/she should be respected for his/her stance. If someone were to make an honest mistake, don't be so quick to hand him over to the wolves. And perhaps most importantly, think before you post.
But, I'm going to focus on two things. First, the constant threadjacking isn't just a quality of life issue, but as Ex pointed out in a post previous to this one, it's also a technical issue. If it's something that can, at least eventually, drag down the forums, and make the use of such forums difficult for others who also use them, then ironically enough it can also be categorized as a QoL issue for those involved.
Second: Ex, several times, has jumped in and asked, or prodded us, to find some type of solution so as to avoid exercising any authority as a forum administrator and finding one for us. As she commented above, there would be strict guidelines and such that would have to be enforced, which I'm sure would be unpleasant for everyone.
In my opinion it really isn't all that difficult a thing to do if we let respect and consideration for others primarily drive any motivation we might have to post something.
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Doh!
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Please I did not mean it Ex!
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Second: Ex, several times, has jumped in and asked, or prodded us, to find some type of solution so as to avoid exercising any authority as a forum administrator and finding one for us. As she commented above, there would be strict guidelines and such that would have to be enforced, which I'm sure would be unpleasant for everyone.
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I agree with this completely. If you read the OFFICIAL rules of the board, almost NONE of our discussions, thread jacks or not, could be carried out. I prefer to solve it ourselves, personally. So far, the titling thing looks pretty good.
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I bet lighthouse only got the community rep job he has because there would be less of a chance of this kind of gender confusion.
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ban meh! er I mean him! 
yes, I am back. for a minute.
I also made space in my PM box, sorry I had a few people try to PM and was told it was full. Fixed.
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I bet lighthouse only got the community rep job he has because there would be less of a chance of this kind of gender confusion.
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Isn't Lighthouse of the female gender also?
Or maybe because so few males work in my office I attribute everything to the females?
*sorry for the threadjack*
Sometimes, I impress my boss. Sometimes, I impress myself. The rest of the time, I scare people. I can live with that.
I know Ex is not allowed to verify this, but it is strongly my impression that there is a very small number of people repeatedly hitting the "notify mods" button.
If I had to guess, I would probably say that (with a not-miniscule number of exceptions) the majority of reports are being made by fewer than ten people.
I think those people need to refamiliarize themselves with the rules.
If I clearly break a rule, hit Notify.
If I sorta break a rule, wait and see if I do it again, then hit Notify.
If I'm carrying on a discussion with my friends from in-game that happened to spout out of another discussion, well, that is not breaking the rules so do not hit Notify.
If I quote from someone else's post, but did not clear out the three other posts that person had quoted so that the current count of layers on the quote pyramid is now five or higher, hit Notify.
If I start a thread bashing the current political climate of the government, hit Notify.
If my gaiety gets to be too much and I cross the "T for Teen" rating, hit Notify.
...If you do not agree with the opinion I expressed, Step Back and then Move On.
I am currently very angry with the way this is being handled by some people (and not a one of those people is Ex, she's doing a great job trying to get this issue both into the light, and past us).
The only problem here, really, is that a very small number of people (as I see it) are trying to dictate what is acceptable to the vast majority of posters here. They do it in threads by trying to "correct" other people's behaviour, and when that doesn't work they run off and tattle because they aren't getting their own way. They are trying to nitpick and micro-manage to the point where no one is having any fun unless it is on their terms.
I would be shocked if Ex came back and said "No, Aerones. Of all of those reports about modding needed in Protector, less than half of those are from the same group of ten people or less."
I am currently very angry with several of the people here for trying to dictate their own rules on the rest of us.
This is the most mad I have ever been, with anyone, while here for over three years.
I am not a child who needs someone else reading over my shoulder to be sure I don't write "poop" on my homework.
And yet that is the way a small number of people here have been treating both myself and many others.
Those people need to grow up.
I. Am. Insulted.
And as of now, in this thread, I am done.
I have said my opinion. Repeatedly. The problem is not the content of the threads here. The problem is that a small number of people are not getting their own way while in a larger group, and so they tattle.
I work with 3-year olds.
They act more mature.
LH is male.
Spurred by a PM and Aerone's Post I did some digging.
The Protector Forum Goers have fun here thread has been reported 18 times, all by people who are considered regulars here.
So the problem is we need to discover some middle ground and set some rules about using the notify moderator.
BTW an interesting fact, one of the most commonly reported posts are the ones that happen right after a redname post.
"The first post after a redname!"
Seems a bit like post envy to me.
So I think after all this discussion this is the summation.
1) Be respectful and realize that you have different personalities and that each person adds to the overall community.
2) Live and let live....keep things in perspective.
3) Toughen UP.
4) Make a disclaimer or title your posts specifically so that people know the expectations, asking people politely to stay on topic is a reasonable request and should be respected.
5) The notify moderator button is not your personal vendetta tool to report someone you don't like. You notify the moderators on issues that break the rules, if you don't want to see a post disrupted or if a post is in general "for fun" use some discretion on reporting or you may be upset at the end result.
6) Communicate with each other in private instead of airing out battles in public.
7) Agree to disagree.
8) Cut the mods some slack, remember they are not the enemy, they are merely responding to posts that you...point them to. BTW Lighthouse and I are not Moderators, just for a clarifying point.
9) The moderator team is not a suggestion box, they do not read your post for content nor do they send it to the development team. If you use the notify moderator button you will be getting someone who is trained on the rules and policies posted on the boards.
10) Don't forget that we all have bad days, sometimes we need to cut each other some slack, after all we are all here for the same reason.
To Have Fun!
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That's what started all this? I was honestly hoping for some sort of huge conspiracy, but I guess this works too.
Just as someone that tends to stray from the forums (on the whole) because of the bickering and what not that seems to crop up, just felt like getting something off my chest.
Protector is a small server with a fairly friendly body of people who may not all get along with each other, but are generally willing to help. I've posted what I consider to be dumb questions both here and on JS and very rarely (if ever) have I been insulted or made to feel stupid. I don't (or try not to) snap at people who may give me an answer I don't like and for that reason, I think I get treated respectfully.
When someone does snap, typically it seems as long as one of the people is honestly trying to find a resolution, both parties calm down and apologize (yes, we are all human and have bad days).
All this being said, I think the fact that this thread has to exist is ridiculous. And here is why.
I can go to almost any other board on this forum (aside from mod/dev only boards) and find lots of personal insults and flames that arise out of nothing. Simply asking a question gets you an answer, maybe two, and then either an insult (veiled or otherwise) or just [censored] sessions about the mods/devs (depending on the topic). This is not to say that every other board is a cesspool, but I tend to see more of it on other boards (and as others have said, this is usually because other boards have more people and more people just means more jerks).
So, my point is this. This thread, Ex being dragged down to play babysitter keeps getting done because (as far as I seem to understand it) of sillyness. Oh, someone threadjacked, oh someone made a stupid joke about Badge or Ish, oh someone said rabbit, oh noes people are making jokes! When it could be much much worse.
Some people are taking themselves way too seriously and I think that that is really a shame (since we're almost getting in trouble for being too friendly and willing to joke with people).
I do think people need to adhere to what Ex's last post said (though the fact that adults and young adults need that typed out for them doesn't fail to shock me) and I think that Aerones is probably more right than not.
As for me? I'm going to go play the game I love and hopefully bug some people I get along with to team with me and do some Task Forces. I'm also going to take one of my very common sabbaticals from these boards.
I hope everyone is in a better mood when I get back, because this is simply a damn shame. And hopefully Ex won't be getting bothered over something she should never have had to be involved with in the first place.
How do you notify a mod anyway? Do you send them a PM?
@Golden Girl
City of Heroes comics and artwork
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I've never used it, but it seems to me that you would click on the third option beside "Post Extras".
"Goodbye, Jean-Luc. I'm gonna miss you... you had such potential. But then again, all good things must come to an end..." -- Q
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Well, it can stay unused, along with the ignore function.
@Golden Girl
City of Heroes comics and artwork
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Which is why a little bubble-bursting humor can be a good thing
@Golden Girl
City of Heroes comics and artwork
So then Ex, I want to come here, but the problems you've posted here are a problem everywhere, so I don't feel it's worth the time. You guys gonna do anything about thread jacking and intolerance everywhere because me and many others care about other sections too? Well, regardless, after i9 testing, I and many others have become pretty disillusioned about player input and how you guys take it into consideration, if you even bother reading any of it.