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Wolfen, I'm really not aware of the incident you've referred to here. If you genuinely made a sincere respectful request that a particular thread not get jacked and got a negative response to that request, I'm sorry. I know how it made me feel to have my first request ignored and my second request (which was admittedly an angrier request) responded to negatively.
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I'm pretty sure I remember. 'twas followed up by one star ratings on his posts, and changes to his Sig line.
"Sorry bucko, but CoH and CoV are the same game." -BackAlleyBrawler
"Silly villain, CoX is for Heroes!" -Saicho
Ok, then...
Can we agree that going forward from this point that we can all try to respect each other?
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I will ask one more time.
This is really all I ask.
Its this simple:
If someone asks that a particular thread NOT be jacked, can we all agree to leave that one alone?
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I do not see a problem with this at all. I think it should be the OP's decision if something should stop though. I mean If someone who did not start the thread has a problem with it, they should talk to the OP and the OP should be the one to request it with in the thread.
I think if a couple of people who get upset over something that the OP has no problem with then the thread jack should be left alone.
I am bringing up the FACTS thread again.
This thread was a fiction thread that was used to bring amusement. When someone makes something up, that is funny towards another, then how can someone not respond to that?
This is how the threadjacking began in the first place.
Say for instance someone said....
Fact: Cierra is a midget
I will say...
No I am not.
Then they will say...
Yes you are.
It goes on and on and on.
I mean what is wrong with that?
This happens alot in all the threads, because most of the OP's who start the threads do not care if the thread gets humoruos.
I think it shows how much Fun protector can be.
I find it a shame that We as protector are going to be made fun of yet again.
LoL Protector?
I hate this statement, because it is degrading towards us as a community.
We are a fun server.
We are a huge family.
We get along most of the time.
We argue sometimes.
We need to learn to mend as most families do.
I do not find it unreasonable to do what a OP asks us as a family to do within the thread they begin.
I do not think it is fair for someone who did not start the thread to go in and start waving fist and demanding action OR else! (not saying anyone has done this) (please do not take offense)
I think we need to learn to
"Live and let Live"
WE are Protector!
Show the forums what we are capable of as adults!
I love this server! I do not plan on leaving! I honestly do not thinkl most are planning on leaving so we need to mend are family and move on.
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I find it a shame that We as protector are going to be made fun of yet again.
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But that is all self-inflicted, because this bit...
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Show the forums what we are capable of as adults!
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...needs a lot more work.
@Golden Girl
City of Heroes comics and artwork
Yes GG, That IS the problem!
In alot of ways, this is high school, in other ways it's not. When you take a large grouping of people and stick them together under one name, you're going to get alot of subdivisions(cliques) obviously. Here it's the same, but very few people seem to know what clique they belong to because the "cliques" aren't the main concern, the main concern now is that we're bringing way too much drama into this, we're supposed to be having a discussion, a debate, not a political war.
Some of us, Sooner and I for two, are trying to do as Ex asked and fix the problem that is here, there might not have been all that much of a problem to begin with(before, it was just too many threadjacks), now our problem is being human. There are too many of us to have a single point of view on this, which was made worse by the fact that the problem has changed.
Aerones and Ishmael, while making alot of sense with just trying to leave it alone again, are now wrong in doing that, to me. Why? Because this is like high school, and not just a nasty rumor that *person* made out with *other person* in *place*, what we have now is too large to let it drop. We could have left it alone back when it was a threadjack problem before it became a giant festering mass of drama, but now we can't and we need to deal with it before it gets bigger.
Unfortunately, there are too few people that want to deal with it. There seem to be three basic sides here:
<ul type="square"> [*]People that are admitting the problem and/or trying to do something about it.[*]People that see the problem and either aren't doing anything about it, or think that's the best/only solution.
And[*]People that are ignoring that there is a problem, that it needs to be fixed, and/or that there was a problem to begin with.[/list]
Sure, like every other time, we've got people that borderline two, but when you get down to it, no one is really "wrong" here except in peoples' opinions.
I think Aerones and Ishmael and the others that want to leave it be are wrong because my natural reaction is to fix it, and my natural thought to leaving it alone is that it'll get worse.
I think Golden Girl, and the other people that are ignoring the main issue here and going for a side issue are wrong because ignoring it will cause it to bite you eventually.
And I think the people that are trying to fix it should be commended for trying to help the community tie together and not split themselves apart with in-fighting and drama.
But that's what's important, it's just what I think.
It's not the truth, it's not necessarily right, it's what I think, the guy that started off as a possible next you know who, and pulled his act together.
We need to do something about this people, it's not just going to blow away any time soon, because we have people that are going to keep coming back and trying solve it until they're so fed up with it that they stop posting in this thread.
There are too many people resisting the problem to fix it, at this point. There are too many people willing to sit and watch to fix it, at this point. There are just too many people to fix it, at this point. But that doesn't mean some of us aren't going to try.
Most of us love this server and the people on it, sure we fight alot and we hurt each other, we snip and we ignore, we skip some peoples' posts because they usually just talk about silliness, and some people might say now, "There's one thing that will always tie us together", but there isn't. It'll bring us together sometimes and then we'll fall apart again, we aren't always going to agree enough to stand together, we rarely will.
But we can try to solve the problem. I know I am.
Who else is going to try to save our little family? The game isn't going to be here forever, and I'd like to keep us together as long as it's here.
Alot of people are going to think, and say, that I'm putting way too much emotion into this.
I am. Is there a reason I shouldn't? Is there a reason, that I, me the person that puts too much emotion into everything I do, me the person that gets way too attached to everything, should make an exception for the people that I've known for nearly two years? The people I've grown to love like a second family, the people that I spend more time with than most of my real family, should get less emotion from me than anything else? When it comes to me, there isn't. So you can save your toughen-ups, and your take-a-breaks for someone that doesn't want to cry when he finishes a book series, because no matter what you say, I'm going to anyway. 
Thank you, Ex Libris for putting this up, this seems to be a long-standing issue, and it's dredging up more, and I believe if we try to solve this, we can make our server a better place for it, even if it's a stab in the heart right now.
One last thing: Sooner, I guess you didn't see my first post on page four, I lobbied for your idea.
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This is how the threadjacking began in the first place.
Say for instance someone said....
Fact: Cierra is a midget
I will say...
No I am not.
Then they will say...
Yes you are.
It goes on and on and on.
I mean what is wrong with that?
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Wrong? Nothing is 'wrong' with it.
But, you can see that it is only fun and relevant to you and the person you are chatting with, right?
I don't mean to be mean or insulting by it, but.. it is a little frustrating to read through that exact same conversation in every thread on this forum.
And, maybe, if someone asks that you not have that same conversation again in a particular thread.. you could respect that?
Sooner that statement goes for soooo many other conversations.
I know I have seen many and I mean many conversations about the oklahoma sooners.
Amirite?
Kinda like being double standard don't cha think?
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Sooner that statement goes for soooo many other conversations.
I know I have seen many and I mean many conversations about the oklahoma sooners.
Amirite?
Kinda like being double standard don't cha think?
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Double standard? When did you ask me to stop?
I say again.. no one here is claiming they don't thread jack.
I thread jack.
Hello.. my name is Sooner, and I'm a thread-jacker.
*crowd* Hello, Sooner!
Please, please.. try really hard to get past "us vs them" ok?
If you ask me to stop, I will.
And I'll apologize when I do.
I have read through most of this and it all seems a little silly to me. Using a little self control seems like the best solution I suppose. I don't see threadjacking as some crime, it just needs to be slimmed down a little. I see it more as a bad habit. But here is something I do when posting.
I will post the information relavent to the conversation first. Example would be if I am signing up for an event. I list my character and other info needed.
Then if I have an extra little tid bit to add (This would be what most refer to as a "Threadjack") I will put it in a new paragraph away from the actual info. This way it is easier for people to keep on track with the discussion at hand.
The bottom line is IMO - If your going to threadjack make sure the time is right.
Sooner the thing is I have never had a problem with you or any of the converstions you have with anyone!
That is the point! I would never ask you to stop being you!
I would never ask you to stop interacting with your friends!
Never! I will stand by this!
I think you are great the way you are!
That is all I can say....
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I have read through most of this and it all seems a little silly to me.
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You're very perceptive 
@Golden Girl
City of Heroes comics and artwork
We can discuss this until we're blue in the face, and either way, the same thing happens. The Mods do what they want to do. Period. It's obvious not everyone gets along. That's normal in any large (or small!) group of people. We, as humans, don't like everyone we meet.
What I have seen mostly is that the boards with true information on them (STF the 2nd Tuesday of Next week, GIANT PANDAS MEETING TONIGHT) and information on teams etc, stay FOR THE MOST PART unjacked. Unless the endless pages of "count me in" counts as jacking.
I haven't had a problem finding INFORMATION on the protector board (the main boards is a completely different story tho), or Lohr's pvp threads, or meeting threads etc. I mean, THOSE are the information threads, right?
So if the other threads, which are often started for silliness anyway, get jacked. WHO CARES? As long as the censors pick up the foul language, there's not TRUE flaming, etc, etc. Who cares? I mean ultimately, that's been the gripe: we can't find info because of the jacking.
It's simple, if the person who started the thread asks PLEASE DON'T THREADJACK (nicely) this is important to me, and it's an INFORMATION THREAD --- DON'T DO IT. Easy peasy. If you want to peeve this person off, do it in game or PRIVATELY.
If it's a goofy thread, and they say "don't threadjack", particularly if aimed at certain persons/groups, well... ya' get what ya' get.
I originally came to these boards to hang out and get to know other people because my (new) SG is so freakin' small, all my old friends quit playing CoX, and I'm trying not to be such a loner.
I don't give a rats behind who hates who or why. That's personal between so & so and whomever. I like people based on what I see of them here and in-game (PMs emails, etc). All we have to communicate with each other here are WORDS... and as we all know, words without (voice) inflection can be grossly misconstrued.
Even here, where we are supposed to civilly discuss it, we get (subtley, and I don't name names or point fingers) "IT'S YOUR FAULT!" no "IT'S YOUR FAULT" naya naya naya. Good grief.
It's really simple people, don't threadjack the information threads. Play nice.. and if you can't play nice, take it private. No one here wants to listen to the flaming public gripe session between two (or 4 or groups) of people. We all get enough of that garbage out of the box (computer).
Mods, don't give us a thread specifically to threadjack and then modsmack it. That's just assinine. We've got two good threadjack threads right now (Stalker Report/Have Fun Here) that we keep going. Let's keep it there unless someone makes one SPECIFICALLY to allow open silliness & discussion (the rating system would work here).
As for the "protector is better than other forums". Well, the other forums don't matter when we are playing here. We are discussing the protector board, and that's all. That's all we were asked to discuss. WE weren't asked to chime in about other boards (not that anyone's listening to that anyway). Stick to just our board in this "discussion".
And like I said at the beginning, they (the Mods) are going to do, what they are going to do, regardless of how much people "discuss" on this board. So stop arguing, already. The Mods will tell us how they are gonna handle it when they are good and ready, and we'll adapt or leave.
*shrugs* I mean, there are obviously people here brighter than me that can start message boards of their own, and lock out who they want and what discussions they want. So if you can't do what you want here, try that.
Oh, and HAPPY THURSDAY TO EVERYONE ON THE PROTECTOR BOARDS. 
*walks out and slams door on this thread*
Ok, I have kept quiet to see the viewpoints of the other main posters. I was debating for around 15 mintues to make the first post but figured someone else would say something better and they did. Yes, I must have hit it right after Ex started the thread, and I know there are those here better than me to make a first commentary.
That said, I have read the entire thread before posting, there has been things said that made me grit my teeth, others that made me say YES (literally, I talk to my computer screen...quit looking at me like that). Others have posted things that I thought MEH, but I know them and respect them and held off till I got to the end.
Ok, hear it goes, quick if ya don't like my opinions-beliefs-views-just me, scroll past.
I think that the first thing is like others have said, the OP needs to be the one to make the notification. If it is a threadjack we should know whom of the moderators to send a PM to other than Ex. Only because I can imagine she has a ton of PMs daily.
I also think we need to think about how pertinent to the post we are replying to our comment is. Heaven knows how many times I have not posted after typing something out because it didn't seem right in hindsight.
I know I have ignored requests to stop threadjacking when I have been on a roll till I get a second person asking the same thing. Mainly because it was one person and not the OP and I was following along the guidelines of the OP's previous posts.
I have at times have had something to say that was on topic, the thread wasn't jacked, and the point wasn't made, but I didn't make a post only cause I knew I couldn't phrase it right. Other times I have had the moon and stars align and God smiled down on me and made a clear post when I have bothered to.
Another, I make fun of the fact that I have a gimpy namesake, I make no bones about it. I like it as it is. If by making fun of it causes a threadjack cause it was replying to someone about PWNING me, sorry, I just won't post other than making the gratz or happy birthday post. Ya all let me know since it seems I am one of the black sheep of the server, PM's would suffice....no I won't say who sent them if they are sent.
As far as notify moderator button, I have hit it a few times, only after I responded to a thread that was inflamitory (spi). I am sure many of ya know what I did when we were being insulted by someone from a different server and I was able to bypass the profanity filter. I admit I did because I was pissed off at the time.
In regards to when we post when mad, always review your post I have to suggest. There has been many a times I have replied to someone that made me mad. Either tone or just subject and after reviewing the post, and after having typed out my anger I just delete the thing. That goes back to always review your posts before hitting submit, just a suggestion is all. 
This is to GG, yes I am replying to someone straight up only because of the frequency of the back and forth about her comments on toughing up. Yes GG, they are just words on a computer screen...BUT, they are typed by a real person on the other end. It is similiar, not be equatated with, cross burning. If your black person and get a cross burned on your lawn, why get upset, after all it is burned wood. No one beat ya up, ad hominom(spi), why be upset. That is how what it seems....see I didn't put words in your mouth, just saying how I view it, and how others may view it. I am not saying flamefests etc. are like crossburning, but it is a analogy about how some of us view a seemingly personal attack.
I am taking my sig to MWO and MWT. Let them wonder what it means.
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1) Threadjacking...this speaks for itself and was the original reason for putting in a sanctioned threadjacking thread. But it happens here on other more serious threads, and quite often.
2) Tolerance...this issue will always be present in one way or another, whether it is personality clashes or just down right arch rivalry. We need to figure out how to agree to disagree at times without making it personal.
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ROFLMAO, Seriously? Are you kidding me? This is a "problem" HERE?!?!? Hello! Have you read the suggestions threads much? 75% of those turn into flame wars or at least flame bait. 95% of them at some point get thread jacked at some point. These are the main two problems on entire forum here. Not just us. And not just here, but in game there is a lack of tolerance by several players. I got to say, I'm very disappointed by this thread. Singling out one group when this is massive problem everywhere is just poor moderating. You've pointed out the two reasons I don't post on you're "wonderful" forum much, or even read it that often, and why I stick to the Protector section more than anywhere else there Ex. Nicely done. I'm not saying that it doesn't happen here, but what I've seen is a great deal most good natured that what I see elsewhere here. You guys need a bigger moderator staff. I do have a great deal of experience on a very large message boards as a moderator, and we did a much better job of being professional about regulating things due to all the company forums we hosted. www.rscnet.org/forum Eagleracer38x still appears in green...
Thank you, have a nice day,
Ima
OK,
So I have read every post in the thread, and followed the discussion etc that has come about from Protectorites and others.
First, why did I come here and not to other forums, and yes I did receive PM's saying um hey you need to stop over here and do the same thing. But... this is a Protector issue because people from Protector have contacted me, not once, not three times, but over the course of my tenure I have been contacted about Protector the most.
Obviously people who dwell here care deeply about this issue, so anyone else coming in from the outside please use care in bringing an outsiders perspective because this discussion is for and about Protector.
Live and let live, are very good words to live by as long as your living doesn't infringe too far into someone else's living room.
Using respect as a ruler only works as long as people know, so what happens when someone steps in and unknowingly jumps off the track, are they all the sudden summoned to the guillotine?
I don't want to be an enforcer, I have already stated as much, because if I am called upon to enforce I have a whole list of rules and guidelines I must uphold and honestly the forums would look down right barren. Nobody wants that.
But there does come a point where your fun causes someone else tribulation. A full page of smileys or quote pyramids slows the forum down excruciatingly for some people. We have to schedule forum maintenance to take care of some of the mindless fluff and no matter how hard we try or notify the public of the purges stuff gets lost, valuable posts, guides, that fun thread.
Think before you post, that is a great practice, including the type it out, wait 30 seconds, read it again and then hit post. You will find yourself back spacing more often then you think.
As far as solutions, I like the suggestion that the OP has some rights and responsibility to watch their thread take shape. I guess on the title system, as I was thinking about this on my commute, that the good old Chaotic, Neutral, Lawful system would probably be a decent metric.
Ex.
Event: Friday 7 PM PST Be there! (Lawful)
Silliness Abounds! (Chaotic)
What costume should I get for my Dom? (Neutral)
It's a suggestion that I think for this server could work.
What are your thoughts?
Ex
The Chaotic, Netural, Lawful thing works for me, personally.... as well as the OP watching their thread, and letting the OP be the one to notify when things get outta hand.
But hey, that's just me.
I'm willing to give the titles a trial run for all those (very very few) threads that I start up meself.
The end of one story always marks the beginning of another...
Ex I really like the idea of codes for the heading!
I really do care alot about the feelings of the others (inwhich I have communicated in pm with several). I was not trying to start a war over this! I honestly hope that this Protector family can heal over this!
I will try to be courteous towards others in this matter (which I am already). If someone states that they do not want the threadjacking in a thread I will do my part. I do think that if someone request it it should be in a COURTEOUS manner!
I think that the OP should be the one to suggest that. I think that when someone has a problem of threadjacking in the thread they should contact the OP and allow the OP to report, or make note that it is unacceaptable in thier thread.
Again I say I will try to make myself aware of my post and how they will affect others. I hope others will do the same in the respect.
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As far as solutions, I like the suggestion that the OP has some rights and responsibility to watch their thread take shape. I guess on the title system, as I was thinking about this on my commute, that the good old Chaotic, Neutral, Lawful system would probably be a decent metric.
Ex.
Event: Friday 7 PM PST Be there! (Lawful)
Silliness Abounds! (Chaotic)
What costume should I get for my Dom? (Neutral)
It's a suggestion that I think for this server could work.
What are your thoughts?
Ex
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At this point, I'm willing to try anything
I would make 2 suggestions
- if a thread isn't marked L,N,or C, we agree that we assume it's neutral.
- the OP should have the final say, but everyone should be allowed to ask that a thread be left alone. I suspect some are worried that this is going to lead to the request being made in every thread, however, we do all enjoy a good thread jack, and, I, for one, can promise I would not. I've only asked once, ever, that a thread not get jacked, I would suspect I wouldn't feel the need to do it again anytime soon.
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As far as solutions, I like the suggestion that the OP has some rights and responsibility to watch their thread take shape. I guess on the title system, as I was thinking about this on my commute, that the good old Chaotic, Neutral, Lawful system would probably be a decent metric.
Ex.
Event: Friday 7 PM PST Be there! (Lawful)
Silliness Abounds! (Chaotic)
What costume should I get for my Dom? (Neutral)
It's a suggestion that I think for this server could work.
What are your thoughts?
Ex
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Okay, my brain is not functioning properly.
Does this mean, that when someone starts a thread, they should include the coding L/N/C in the thread subject?
i.e. : Statesman TF [L]
And then, those that post contrary to the thread should be reported?
Basically, policing ourselves?
Sometimes, I impress my boss. Sometimes, I impress myself. The rest of the time, I scare people. I can live with that.
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Okay, my brain is not functioning properly.
Does this mean, that when someone starts a thread, they should include the coding L/N/C in the thread subject?
i.e. : Statesman TF [L]
And then, those that post contrary to the thread should be reported?
Basically, policing ourselves?
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I think it would be best that if it got way outta hand then report. Not every little one. I mean then it would be an extreme amount and then Ex will come in and bop us!
I think Ex loves us she always comes in here to talk to us!
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Okay, my brain is not functioning properly.
Does this mean, that when someone starts a thread, they should include the coding L/N/C in the thread subject?
i.e. : Statesman TF [L]
And then, those that post contrary to the thread should be reported?
Basically, policing ourselves?
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I think it would be best that if it got way outta hand then report. Not every little one. I mean then it would be an extreme amount and then Ex will come in and bop us!
I think Ex loves us she always comes in here to talk to us!
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I do love you, but I can see where if someone who say on an [L] post puts in a one eyed jack, I don't want to be called in, and I can try to get the Mod team up to speed but that could be hit or miss depending on time of day.
So I think in that case you would politely educate someone who might be new to what the coding meant, and I would suggest doing this in PM, as to not accidentally set someone off.
Even with a system like this the outbreaks will occur, so in some ways there needs to be some "water off a duck's back" because I don't want a PM every time someone falls off the wagon.
Ex
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Chaotic, Neutral, Lawful system
Event: Friday 7 PM PST Be there! (Lawful)
Silliness Abounds! (Chaotic)
What costume should I get for my Dom? (Neutral)
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Does this mean, that when someone starts a thread, they should include the coding L/N/C in the thread subject?
i.e. : Statesman TF [L]
And then, those that post contrary to the thread should be reported?
Basically, policing ourselves?
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That's what it sounds like to me, and it should satisfy everyone at the same time. Those who want a focused discussion have their cake, and those who just want to have a free for all discussion can eat theirs too.
"Goodbye, Jean-Luc. I'm gonna miss you... you had such potential. But then again, all good things must come to an end..." -- Q
Which is...?
@Golden Girl
City of Heroes comics and artwork