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  1. In alot of ways, this is high school, in other ways it's not. When you take a large grouping of people and stick them together under one name, you're going to get alot of subdivisions(cliques) obviously. Here it's the same, but very few people seem to know what clique they belong to because the "cliques" aren't the main concern, the main concern now is that we're bringing way too much drama into this, we're supposed to be having a discussion, a debate, not a political war.

    Some of us, Sooner and I for two, are trying to do as Ex asked and fix the problem that is here, there might not have been all that much of a problem to begin with(before, it was just too many threadjacks), now our problem is being human. There are too many of us to have a single point of view on this, which was made worse by the fact that the problem has changed.

    Aerones and Ishmael, while making alot of sense with just trying to leave it alone again, are now wrong in doing that, to me. Why? Because this is like high school, and not just a nasty rumor that *person* made out with *other person* in *place*, what we have now is too large to let it drop. We could have left it alone back when it was a threadjack problem before it became a giant festering mass of drama, but now we can't and we need to deal with it before it gets bigger.

    Unfortunately, there are too few people that want to deal with it. There seem to be three basic sides here:
    <ul type="square"> [*]People that are admitting the problem and/or trying to do something about it.[*]People that see the problem and either aren't doing anything about it, or think that's the best/only solution.
    And[*]People that are ignoring that there is a problem, that it needs to be fixed, and/or that there was a problem to begin with.[/list]
    Sure, like every other time, we've got people that borderline two, but when you get down to it, no one is really "wrong" here except in peoples' opinions.

    I think Aerones and Ishmael and the others that want to leave it be are wrong because my natural reaction is to fix it, and my natural thought to leaving it alone is that it'll get worse.

    I think Golden Girl, and the other people that are ignoring the main issue here and going for a side issue are wrong because ignoring it will cause it to bite you eventually.

    And I think the people that are trying to fix it should be commended for trying to help the community tie together and not split themselves apart with in-fighting and drama.

    But that's what's important, it's just what I think.
    It's not the truth, it's not necessarily right, it's what I think, the guy that started off as a possible next you know who, and pulled his act together.

    We need to do something about this people, it's not just going to blow away any time soon, because we have people that are going to keep coming back and trying solve it until they're so fed up with it that they stop posting in this thread.

    There are too many people resisting the problem to fix it, at this point. There are too many people willing to sit and watch to fix it, at this point. There are just too many people to fix it, at this point. But that doesn't mean some of us aren't going to try.

    Most of us love this server and the people on it, sure we fight alot and we hurt each other, we snip and we ignore, we skip some peoples' posts because they usually just talk about silliness, and some people might say now, "There's one thing that will always tie us together", but there isn't. It'll bring us together sometimes and then we'll fall apart again, we aren't always going to agree enough to stand together, we rarely will.

    But we can try to solve the problem. I know I am.

    Who else is going to try to save our little family? The game isn't going to be here forever, and I'd like to keep us together as long as it's here.

    Alot of people are going to think, and say, that I'm putting way too much emotion into this.
    I am. Is there a reason I shouldn't? Is there a reason, that I, me the person that puts too much emotion into everything I do, me the person that gets way too attached to everything, should make an exception for the people that I've known for nearly two years? The people I've grown to love like a second family, the people that I spend more time with than most of my real family, should get less emotion from me than anything else? When it comes to me, there isn't. So you can save your toughen-ups, and your take-a-breaks for someone that doesn't want to cry when he finishes a book series, because no matter what you say, I'm going to anyway.

    Thank you, Ex Libris for putting this up, this seems to be a long-standing issue, and it's dredging up more, and I believe if we try to solve this, we can make our server a better place for it, even if it's a stab in the heart right now.

    One last thing: Sooner, I guess you didn't see my first post on page four, I lobbied for your idea.
  2. Smokey, not to be mean or anything, but.. WHy are you posting here, if all you're doing is insulting a group of people that are trying to sort out an issue?
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    Protector forum in general, as Vega pointed out, is far more friendly than some of the others. Frankly effort could be spent fixing things and places far more broken.

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    That is true Wolfen, but I'd rather keep the parts that work from breaking(us), than try to fix the ones that are already broken(them).

    *Disclaimer: The "us" and "them" tags are meant for clarification purposes only, this was not a direct comment on our community being superior to others, even though it's true. *
  4. Well, bah, maybe when you update the forums then.

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    Don't act like other Protectorites are the enemy that should be reserved for me alone.

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    Leave it to good ol' GA to unite people for a just cause!
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    Maybe a title system is in order...

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    This brings to mind an idea I had earlier. Would it be possible to implement some sort of "typing" option for posts? Such as being able to choose between: On Topic, Off Topic, and Both, and then make the different kinds easily distinguishable?
    That way we could have "Johnny A" reading through a thread, and let's say he doesn't mind completely off-topic posts and enjoys reading them, so he'll just ignore the differentials and read through normally. Then comes along "Katie B" that finds a thread about a planned event, but doesn't want to sift through "off-topic" posts, she can just look at the area of the post that's around the subject line, and see whether it's one of the three options, and if it's Off-Topic, she can skip it and move on.

    I'd like to know if this would be possible, it would probably help.

    *Editted to include a response to Sooner's post above mine*
    You forgot to include me! I own the middle ground, or atleast rent it..
  6. Before I go onto my response, I think I need to address this first, since it has the potentional to be a "bad thing".
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    You aren't seeing ours.


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    This is not directed to you but....I really don't care what some of you are seeing or believing.

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    Demi, you asked us to look at other peoples' perspectives to get a good idea of what they're thinking which is a great way to start understanding, but by refusing to acknowledge "what some of you are seeing or believing" you're looking for trouble. That statement was the epitome of hypocritical; you're asking us to do something, and won't do it yourself.



    What Sooner is proposing would be the best way possible to solve this problem we have here. By doing it we're:

    A) Respecting other posters and their opinions.
    B) Showing we can be courteous and polite to the others in our community.
    and C) Preventing the deterioration of threads that are serious.

    We can't just stop there though, and we don't necessarily "have" to do that, but right now it's our only possible solution, and to me it seems the perfect one.
  7. This means I'm going to have to stop being lazy, doesn't it?
  8. I already did...But he refuses to be an activist against someone with such absolute, and complete power over him and everything he does.

    ...Plus I hear he wants a Hami Bud as a pet...Would you anger the people that could give you a potty-trained Hami Bud?
    *Waits for response*
    No? I didn't think so.