Patron Powers: Black Scorpion Mace Mastery

concreteshift · 05-17-2006 06:27 PM

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FYI: Melee AT Patron Power Pool Ranged attacks which cause damage will be changed to using the Melee damage scale.

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Can someone translate this dev speak for me? What does this mean? Why would range attacks be considered melee damage?

geombear · 05-17-2006 06:32 PM

brutes, stalkers, etc have a higher modifier on their melee attacks than their ranged attacks

for example a stalker using the same snipe as a dark corrupter (moonbeam) will do far less damage, because stalkers are meant to be weaker with ranged attacks and stronger with melee

there's more detail than that, but im not a dev or a supernerd

tanks and scrappers complained about their ranged epic powers being weak back when they were first introduced, so they got this fix too. im surprised it wasn't automatically given to the villains too, since the devs went through this already

Silverblade_NA · 05-17-2006 06:35 PM

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Can someone translate this dev speak for me? What does this mean? Why would range attacks be considered melee damage?

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They're not considered melee attacks, they're 0.5 of melee scale. Meaning a *ranged* power for a non-ranged class that's classified as "medium" damage would actually do 0.5x (one half) the damage a medium damage *melee* attack does.

That's why the ranged attacks seem so weak.

Now they'll use the melee multiplier (1.0), so a medium ranged attack for a non ranged class will do 1.0x the damage of a melee medium damage attack.

In essence, damage from ranged patron power pool has so far been halved. This will no longer be the case.

LunarKnight · 05-17-2006 06:55 PM

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Can someone translate this dev speak for me? What does this mean? Why would range attacks be considered melee damage?

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There are two damage multipliers that determine "base stats" one for ranged attacks and one for melee. For reference:

Melee/Ranged
Scrapper: 1.125/0.5
Tanker: 0.8/0.5
Stalker: 0.9/0.6
Brute: 0.75/0.5

All APP attacks for Scrapper/Tankers use the melee modifier, even when it's a ranged attack (Scrappers use 1.125 instead of 0.5 for instance). The Brute/Stalker APPs are currently running of the ranged multiplier (0.5/0.6 respectfully). They're changing them to run off the melee multiplier (0.75/0.9 respectfully). In otherwords:

The base damage of all ranged Brute/Stalker APP attacks are going to get a 50% boost!

Nathan_NA · 05-17-2006 06:56 PM

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I didn't make it to test last night, but I will be there tonight around 9pm eastern.

PS. I believe the luck line of inspirations provide defense to everything.

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Luck does indeed boost your base defense. Positional defense (melee/ranged/AoE) could also protect against an attack that only did toxic damage. For example, Focused Senses from SR would protect from a ranged attack that did only toxic damage. Anyway, the point is unless there is a smash, lethal, or energy damage component to an attack, Scorpion Shield won't give you defense to it.

I won't be on test tonight, but I still want to help test this sometime. Look for me on live as @Nathan or on test as Mr. Wu3 (global chat there is unreliable)

LunarKnight · 05-17-2006 06:58 PM

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Now they'll use the melee multiplier (1.0), so a medium ranged attack for a non ranged class will do 1.0x the damage of a melee medium damage attack.

In essence, damage from ranged patron power pool has so far been halved. This will no longer be the case.

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Not quite. So far they've been 2/3rds as powerful as they're going to be. They're getting a 50% damage boost, not 100%.

Gangrene · 05-17-2006 07:00 PM

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OMG! That's so going to rule for Stalkers, especially. Mmm... Full power Sniper attacks...

AngstMan · 05-17-2006 07:05 PM

Does this mean Stalker Hidden snipes will now outdamage Blaster Aim + Build Up snipes?

BaronZealot · 05-17-2006 07:21 PM

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Does this mean Stalker Hidden snipes will now outdamage Blaster Aim + Build Up snipes?

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If I remember correctly, the snipes suppress hide and don't critical.

Vort · 05-17-2006 07:23 PM

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Does this mean Stalker Hidden snipes will now outdamage Blaster Aim + Build Up snipes?

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If I remember correctly, the snipes suppress hide and don't critical.

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Suppress Hide? For, like, nearly eight seconds?

That's just....lame.

The rest of the changes - especially the elec armor/melee ones - are just awesome, though.

Vidszhite · 05-17-2006 07:24 PM

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So, how bout making it so the Dominator Patron AoEs run off Controller APP numbers >.>

geombear · 05-17-2006 07:38 PM

that's dumb then

castle said that stalker snipes WITH crit (from hide) will do .9 of blaster snipes

and stalkers only get BU, while blasters can get BU and aim, so stalkers snipes could only out-damage a blaster's if the stalker used BU and was hidden, and the blaster used neither aim or buildup

if they changed that...that's retarded

can anyone confirm/deny this?

Vidszhite · 05-17-2006 07:54 PM

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that's dumb then

castle said that stalker snipes WITH crit (from hide) will do .9 of blaster snipes

and stalkers only get BU, while blasters can get BU and aim, so stalkers snipes could only out-damage a blaster's if the stalker used BU and was hidden, and the blaster used neither aim or buildup

if they changed that...that's retarded

can anyone confirm/deny this?

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Blaster snipes, even with BU and Aim, aren't that impressive.

Fugitive · 05-17-2006 08:06 PM

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Will Dominators use their melee or ranged modifier?

Melee mod would r0xxor!

Czar_Bal · 05-17-2006 08:36 PM

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FYI: Melee AT Patron Power Pool Ranged attacks which cause damage will be changed to using the Melee damage scale.

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Will Dominators use their melee or ranged modifier?

Melee mod would r0xxor!

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Thought just cross3ed my mind also.

To piggyback off this thought. Will PPP attacks get the bonus PvP Domination points as well?

Neutra · 05-17-2006 09:00 PM

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that's dumb then

castle said that stalker snipes WITH crit (from hide) will do .9 of blaster snipes

and stalkers only get BU, while blasters can get BU and aim, so stalkers snipes could only out-damage a blaster's if the stalker used BU and was hidden, and the blaster used neither aim or buildup

if they changed that...that's retarded

can anyone confirm/deny this?

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Blaster snipes, even with BU and Aim, aren't that impressive.

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Sure they aren't chief.

Garent · 05-17-2006 09:06 PM

I'm getting confused by all these melee AT ranged attacks that need to be given the melee modifier. Obviously the ranged damage modifier isn't high enough for them, so what's the problem with increasing that?

geombear · 05-17-2006 09:44 PM

a few have 1 or 2 ranged attacks in their primary

though they could just weaken those accordingly, if they upped the range modifier...

Crazed_Drifter · 05-17-2006 10:09 PM

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Will this apply to hero EPPs?

"...I'll be a hero till I'm lying dead in my grave" No matter what, I will be the Crazed Drifter until the end of my days.

Slash_NA · 05-17-2006 10:32 PM

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Will this apply to hero EPPs?

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It already does.

Vidszhite · 05-17-2006 10:36 PM

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Will this apply to hero EPPs?

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It already does.

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Which is why people were up in arms over the PPPs.

Slash_NA · 05-17-2006 10:38 PM

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This is very good news to hear, especially along balance lines. This leads me to believe that the PPP's will perhaps be more powerful than their hero counterparts, an affirmation that I doubted until now. Still I will continue testing this to reassure myself. Thanks Castle.

LunarKnight · 05-17-2006 10:48 PM

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a few have 1 or 2 ranged attacks in their primary

though they could just weaken those accordingly, if they upped the range modifier...

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Ranged attacks in the primary (Hurl, Shockwave, etc) already run off the melee multiplier, despite being ranged attacks. With this change, no melee AT will have an attack that runs off the ranged multiplier, no matter how much range the attack has

geombear · 05-17-2006 10:56 PM

weird that they'd bother then

Vidszhite · 05-17-2006 11:04 PM

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weird that they'd bother then

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Spines needs to have its ranged attacks run off the ranged scale. Impale is simply overpowered.