Official Thread for Brutes: Electric Melee
By
13th_Stranger,
Posted on: 2006-05-01 11:58 in Developers' Corner
In the blaster set, and I haven't seen anything to make me think that the brute set is any different, you only get endurance back from your single target attacks. Therefore, Jacob's Ladder would not return any endurance to the user. Nor would I expect to see any from Chain Induction or Lightning Rod. I can't remember ever seeing Thunderstrike give any back as a blaster (might have missed it too), which might be due to the single/AoE aspect of the power, so it probably won't return any as a brute either.
I've noticed that there is less xp awarded from mobs that have been hit by Chain Induction's "arc". That is, after the initial attack, there is an arc that jumps from foe to foe. These foes all are awarding less xp, kind of the same as when a mob that has been confused and does damage to other mobs. I'm wondering if anyone else has noticed this, and i hope this is not by design.
Other than that, the power is great and the damage output is nice, especially when the arc jumps around multiple times. Was doing (and dont quote me on these #'s, it was 4am :P) approx 20/30 smashing/NRG damage, and the arc was doing 30 per target it hit, all with 1 acc in the base slot and about 25% fury (arc is unaffected by fury)
Charged Brawl accuracy is the same as Barrage, Jab, stone punch, and the other 1st powers no change is needed. Your base chance to hit with it is 75% just like any other single target power, you will get unlucky streaks but no worry there.
Single target damage isn't as great but we have an added side effect of endurance drain which should be made to moderate levels to compete with the lack of single target damage. None of the sets save for stone melee will ever compare to EM it has always been that way, and Fire deals more with the Dot's added in anyway. we do have more in the way of AE attacks compard to other sets while in pvp this may seem "less desirable" but as a brute your fury once high makes any of the sets dangerous, you dont need maximum damage when played right, meaning getting the jump having inspirations etc. The less exp thing if it is true needs to be worked on for Chain induction but other than that the set looks great.
That is basically what I was clarifying for Front_Loaded with regards to endurance recovery from the attacks.
I wasn't concerned with recovering endurance from Lightning Rod or Thunderstrike so much as the fact that the description does not indicate that these attacks drain endurance from targets.
I beleive Chain Induction does work similarly to Confuse.
The strength (and accuracy?) of the bolt arcing from each target is based on the critter it is arcing from, not you. A bolt arcing from a Hero will do more damage than one arcing from a minion, and possibly more damage than the one arcing from you.
A bolt arcing from a Giant Monster should do interesting damage (and may crash the server if it hits another GM 
). Now, if only a team of electric brutes could reach Lusca...
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I heard that thunderstrike knocks down even con and higher - when it hits.
Any word yet on Lightning Clap - knockdown would be glorious. knockback would be a pain
Can someone please post screenshots (preferably) of Chain Induction or describe in depth what it looks like?
I'm hoping at least TWO powers in this set look cool (Jacobs Ladder being the only one that looks cool thus far)
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I heard that thunderstrike knocks down even con and higher - when it hits.
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That's my experience, playing up to L13 so far. AoE knockdown is great for survivability in teams.
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Can someone please post screenshots (preferably) of Chain Induction or describe in depth what it looks like?
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It's a palm strike like Energy Transfer, lightning zaps from enemy to enemy.
Or go to Nerva and say Hi to the Brute who keeps yelling SHAZAM and hitting lightning rod.
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How the hell are people level 40 already? ITS ONLY BEEN OUT 3 DAYS!
P.S. Wee sounds like Chain Induction is lame too, this is like the most disappointing new set since Trick Arrow :P (except trick arrow looks cool even though it sucks)
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Or go to Nerva and say Hi to the Brute who keeps yelling SHAZAM and hitting lightning rod.
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OMG!!!! you have Lightning Rod!?! I.....MUST.....SEE.....SCREENSHOTS!!!!!
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How the hell are people level 40 already? ITS ONLY BEEN OUT 3 DAYS!
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Heh, thats the power of hi-level friends and newspaper mish's :P
*note to self: Get new friends* 
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... you only get endurance back from your single target attacks. Therefore, Jacob's Ladder would not return any endurance to the user.
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But it does specify endurance drain in the effects list, which is why people are thinking it would also have the chance for endurance return.
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I can't remember ever seeing Thunderstrike give any back as a blaster
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Thunder Strike does not specify endurance drain in any event.
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How the hell are people level 40 already? ITS ONLY BEEN OUT 3 DAYS!
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Heh, thats the power of hi-level friends and newspaper mish's :P
*note to self: Get new friends*
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I still don't get it. What does it matter if you have high level friends? They can SK you to get the most XP but youre still gonna only get +3 mission bonus and stuff...
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How the hell are people level 40 already? ITS ONLY BEEN OUT 3 DAYS!
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Heh, thats the power of hi-level friends and newspaper mish's :P
*note to self: Get new friends*
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I still don't get it. What does it matter if you have high level friends? They can SK you to get the most XP but youre still gonna only get +3 mission bonus and stuff...
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Level 40 stalker runs through the mission and TP's you. Finishes it, rinse, and repeat.
Boring but effective.
While what you say is true, it's alot easier and faster for someone with all their powers to go to the end of a mish. and defeat a Boss (IMO) than it is to do it on your own. Plus it's even better if you have someone (a bridge) LK you to within a couple lvl's of mobs
Not only that, but imagine what a one or two high level brutes will do to your xp as they zip thru a mission killing everything in their path.
It will easily speed up the process, especially when you throw in the occasional mayhem mission.
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Not only that, but imagine what a one or two high level brutes will do to your xp as they zip thru a mission killing everything in their path.
It will easily speed up the process, especially when you throw in the occasional mayhem mission.
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Very true
I wish I had that. I've been leveling my main since October and hes only lvl 31 *sigh*
...BIG Problem with Electric Melee Sound So Far.... It sound like an Endurance Crash after Ever Attack!!!! Very Destracting.
its better than even-level bonuses
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Can someone please post screenshots (preferably) of Chain Induction or describe in depth what it looks like?
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It's a palm strike like Energy Transfer, lightning zaps from enemy to enemy.
Or go to Nerva and say Hi to the Brute who keeps yelling SHAZAM and hitting lightning rod.
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Can you tell me if Llightning Strike is knockdown or knockback on even level mobs and higher?
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i like! although, i feel like CB's animation has been slowed slightly. maybe it's just in my head.
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The animation is certainly different.
Charged Brawl for blasters uses brawl's animation.
Charged Brawl for brutes uses Jab's animation.
Personally, I like brawl better.
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Yes, brawl good. Jab bad.
Total Focus is a hold, right?
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Tried a elec/elec brute...and from what I saw before any slotting I was not impressed...might get better at higher levels but at this level I couldnt even take out one LT and a minion....very sad...not sure if elec brute is gonna be for me.
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did you remember to attack? I took on three 1+ minions and one 1+ LT was close but i got them all.
Anyone else thing Jacobs ladders cone is very very small? I can only catch 2 of them in there.
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Might just be shallow like the sword/katana 3rd power (slice?).
Total Focus is a hold, right?
Charged brawl's accuracy leaves much to be desired. Please fix this.