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Are Patron Powers level specific?
Not to be an annoyance but nowhere on the Patron Arcs little info page does it list any requirements.
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In most of the info for I7, it says they're unlocked between lvl40-50.
I personally don't like how they've chosen to release the information for this specific feature, should've all been a one shot deal. Hopefully the next update will give us all of the remaining details instead of having us wait another week.
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I guess I have 2 questions regarding the "hard wiring" of making patron powers permanent.
1.) how will this effect when hero to villian and vice versa happens?
Will the powers still be avalibale to a villian turned hero?
2.) How will epic power pools be handled for heroes who become villians? will they also get to chose patron powers? will they lose thier epic pools?
Seems kinda confusing when one set is permanet and the other isn't.
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Good questions, and the lack of easy answers has likely contributed to a Hero/Villain-switch TF not being implemented anytime soon.
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I guess I have 2 questions regarding the "hard wiring" of making patron powers permanent.
1.) how will this effect when hero to villian and vice versa happens?
Will the powers still be avalibale to a villian turned hero?
2.) How will epic power pools be handled for heroes who become villians? will they also get to chose patron powers? will they lose thier epic pools?
Seems kinda confusing when one set is permanet and the other isn't.
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Good questions, and the lack of easy answers has likely contributed to a Hero/Villain-switch TF not being implemented anytime soon.
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I have a feeling they'd just like to all this stuff out first, then decide how the whole fallen/redemption hero/villain stuff is going to work.
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I guess I have 2 questions regarding the "hard wiring" of making patron powers permanent.
1.) how will this effect when hero to villian and vice versa happens?
Will the powers still be avalibale to a villian turned hero?
2.) How will epic power pools be handled for heroes who become villians? will they also get to chose patron powers? will they lose thier epic pools?
Seems kinda confusing when one set is permanet and the other isn't.
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Good questions, and the lack of easy answers has likely contributed to a Hero/Villain-switch TF not being implemented anytime soon.
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Quick and easy answer?
There might not be side-switching after level 40.
Here's where I came up with that. The zones that have entrances to Pocket-D. The DJ is not good or evil but freelance. I could speculate that he'd be the perfect contact for a fallen/redeemed story arc. There's three entrances to Pocket-D. Further speculation, those zone levels are the levels that side-switching will be available at.
Did I mention this is speculation?
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I guess I have 2 questions regarding the "hard wiring" of making patron powers permanent.
1.) how will this effect when hero to villian and vice versa happens?
Will the powers still be avalibale to a villian turned hero?
2.) How will epic power pools be handled for heroes who become villians? will they also get to chose patron powers? will they lose thier epic pools?
Seems kinda confusing when one set is permanet and the other isn't.
Thanks
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Good questions, and the lack of easy answers has likely contributed to a Hero/Villain-switch TF not being implemented anytime soon.
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Quick and easy answer?
There might not be side-switching after level 40.
Here's where I came up with that. The zones that have entrances to Pocket-D. The DJ is not good or evil but freelance. I could speculate that he'd be the perfect contact for a fallen/redeemed story arc. There's three entrances to Pocket-D. Further speculation, those zone levels are the levels that side-switching will be available at.
Did I mention this is speculation?
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I doubt it would go through Pocket D, just seems cheesy and lame. If this whole switching sides thing is supposed to be epic and a major event in your character's life, Pocket D just doesn't "fit".
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Why do people think throwing analogies at a discussion is a valid argument tactic?
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Because it is?
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When an argument or debate has fizzled into people belching out analogies... especially bad ones that make little sense... it's a sign that there is nothing of merit left to discuss.
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If someone tells me a week in advance that they're going to throw a hot, steamy bag of dog [censored] in my face, I don't have to actually wait until they do it to know that I'm not going to like it.
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Hey now, some of us like having dog poo thrown in our faces, so suck it up and quit whining. Being inconvenienced by the game is part of the fun! If you do not think it's fun, you can quit the game, because the devs obviously agree with me and that means you are wrong.
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We also know about Grandville the 40-50 zone for villains. Grandville is Lord Recluse's seat of power. All that occurs there is under his thumb. PC villains just take their place at the bottom of the zone and have to claw their ways to the top so that they might be allowed to lick Lord Recluse's boot.
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Well, better to lick his boots than to get snuffed out because he thought you would become too much of a threat and not serve his purpose. This is Lord Recluse's island. He's let you live up until this point.
What I'm hoping is that villains will later get the choice of Epics (although lesser in power than the PPPs), and the heroes will get Patron Powers (after having the Epics toned down a bit).
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Well, better to lick his boots than to get snuffed out because he thought you would become too much of a threat and not serve his purpose. This is Lord Recluse's island. He's let you live up until this point.
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I say bring it on. Recluse can't stop me. I am forever.
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I doubt it would go through Pocket D, just seems cheesy and lame. If this whole switching sides thing is supposed to be epic and a major event in your character's life, Pocket D just doesn't "fit".
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Well, the whole TF could be held in a variety of more instanced area but still begin and end in Pocket D. I doubt that the hypothetical Crossover TF )switching to 'Crossover TF' since 'faction-switch' has been appropriated by PPP discussions) would be as light-hearted as the V-Day seasonal event, even if Pocket D figured prominently in the structure of it.
Tell you the truth, I'd like Pocket D to get a bit of a lighting makeover no matter what because it has the ambient brightness of a high school prom. 
Not a club I would frequent in real life, respectfully. I like shadows and smokiness (but not Dark Astoria smokiness) when I go to a club. I think that tweak of the atmosphere there would go a ways to diminishing the 'cheese' factor of the club for you.
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I doubt it would go through Pocket D, just seems cheesy and lame. If this whole switching sides thing is supposed to be epic and a major event in your character's life, Pocket D just doesn't "fit".
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Well, the whole TF could be held in a variety of more instanced area but still begin and end in Pocket D. I doubt that the hypothetical Crossover TF )switching to 'Crossover TF' since 'faction-switch' has been appropriated by PPP discussions) would be as light-hearted as the V-Day seasonal event, even if Pocket D figured prominently in the structure of it.
Tell you the truth, I'd like Pocket D to get a bit of a lighting makeover no matter what because it has the ambient brightness of a high school prom. Not a club I would frequent in real life, respectfully. I like shadows and smokiness (but not Dark Astoria smokiness) when I go to a club. I think that tweak of the atmosphere there would go a ways to diminishing the 'cheese' factor of the club for you.
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We should all try giving our heroes and villains a cigar. That might smoke up the place real good.
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You just have to consider your choice before you make it. Shocking concept, I know. 
Kudos to the design guys who came up with this, I'm dying to get my grubby little paws on it!
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Cool. You stick with the permanent choice when either they change either your PPPs or some other power that synergized well with your choice of PPP (thus driving that choice). I'll stick with keeping my choices reversible - just like heroes can, and just like both heroes and villains can for every other pool choice in the game.
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Like I said. Consider your choices carefully.
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I'm sorry, but your outlook really bugs me as immensely selfish. "I get what you want, so tough for you." Nor do I think my own perspective is just the same selfishness from the other side. Your preference actively removes choice from my character process, while my preference removes a story-based restriction from yours. It may be a canon-based restriction you feel is appropriate, but I can't see your "loss" if you didn't get this as equivalent to my own. After all, you could always imagine this was the backstory for your power choices. I, on the other hand, am disallowed from imagining anything else.
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So basically you are looking for a feeling of freedom and choice to replace the lack of such you feel in your day to day life? Maybe if you weren't feeling so powerless and confined in real life then such in-game consequences wouldn't weigh so heavily on you? Well, that's my take on things anyway. I'm not saying it's this way with everyone here who doesn't like the situation, but I get a feeling it does apply to at least a few of them.
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You would think some villains never heard of Back Stabbing.
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Well, considering the way things are run in the isles, it's one thing to backstab the Council or other such factions, but another to betray those at the top of Arachnos. It pretty much amounts to a death sentence.
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I guess I have 2 questions regarding the "hard wiring" of making patron powers permanent.
1.) how will this effect when hero to villian and vice versa happens?
Will the powers still be avalibale to a villian turned hero?
2.) How will epic power pools be handled for heroes who become villians? will they also get to chose patron powers? will they lose thier epic pools?
Seems kinda confusing when one set is permanet and the other isn't.
Thanks
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Good questions, and the lack of easy answers has likely contributed to a Hero/Villain-switch TF not being implemented anytime soon.
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Quick and easy answer?
There might not be side-switching after level 40.
Here's where I came up with that. The zones that have entrances to Pocket-D. The DJ is not good or evil but freelance. I could speculate that he'd be the perfect contact for a fallen/redeemed story arc. There's three entrances to Pocket-D. Further speculation, those zone levels are the levels that side-switching will be available at.
Did I mention this is speculation?
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Well, if this is postponed yet again and especially because of this PPP nonsense, I'm going to lose my temper again. I hope I can contain myself and not post a childish rant this time heh.
As for the 'not after level 40 to switch': if true, they had better make it absolutely clear BEFORE we level up. I've been planning on at least 2 switches---waiting and waiting and waiting.
Why won't they spill the info on all this? It's becoming tiresome having to gripe over vague tidbits of info. Bah.
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Maybe if you weren't feeling so powerless and confined in real life then such in-game consequences wouldn't weigh so heavily on you? Well, that's my take on things anyway.
I think someone needs a nap.
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Well, if this is postponed yet again and especially because of this PPP nonsense, I'm going to lose my temper again. I hope I can contain myself and not post a childish rant this time heh.
As for the 'not after level 40 to switch': if true, they had better make it absolutely clear BEFORE we level up. I've been planning on at least 2 switches---waiting and waiting and waiting.
Why won't they spill the info on all this? It's becoming tiresome having to gripe over vague tidbits of info. Bah.
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They have never stated when the crossover thing was going in. Just too many people (myself included) want it sooner rather than later. I've got a Warshade that I want to go rogue, dang it.
Still here, even after all this time!
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Well, if this is postponed yet again and especially because of this PPP nonsense, I'm going to lose my temper again. I hope I can contain myself and not post a childish rant this time heh.
As for the 'not after level 40 to switch': if true, they had better make it absolutely clear BEFORE we level up. I've been planning on at least 2 switches---waiting and waiting and waiting.
Why won't they spill the info on all this? It's becoming tiresome having to gripe over vague tidbits of info. Bah.
Cal2
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Everything I said was pure speculation on my part. But... the DJ in Pocket-D has no alliences, his info, during V-day stuff was kinda open to whichever side, making him a crossover contact just seems to fit his info stuff. Either way, Posi said a lot of info about PPP would be released, perhaps side switching info, inluding if there's a level requirement will also be released.
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Well, if this is postponed yet again and especially because of this PPP nonsense, I'm going to lose my temper again. I hope I can contain myself and not post a childish rant this time heh.
As for the 'not after level 40 to switch': if true, they had better make it absolutely clear BEFORE we level up. I've been planning on at least 2 switches---waiting and waiting and waiting.
Why won't they spill the info on all this? It's becoming tiresome having to gripe over vague tidbits of info. Bah.
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They won't spill the info on a hypothetical crossover TF because it's not a priority feature. I doubt they are doing much work on it currently. Maybe it'll be in I8, maybe next year - it's not coming soon.
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Four of the five characters I got to 50th level were regen scrappers. As such, I am painfully aware that the devs are liable to change anything at a drop of a hat.
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Yeah, because changes to regen scrappers were SO unexpected.
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Four of the five characters I got to 50th level were regen scrappers. As such, I am painfully aware that the devs are liable to change anything at a drop of a hat.
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Yeah, because changes to regen scrappers were SO unexpected.
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Tell me you forsaw the change of the core power of regen going from a toggle to a click and I'll call you a liar. Tell me, in Issue 1, you forsaw the next five issues will all be nerfing regen, and I'll say that's unlikely.
But again, the point is...they change powers. They'll change them again. Holes will be opened, powers chosen to close holes will be changed to be ineffective. To make the choice of patron power pool immutable when the powers are mutable is unfair.
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But again, the point is...they change powers. They'll change them again.
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Right. And the consolation prize when this happens is usually... a free respec.
So I get the point when people express concern about non-respeccable power pool choices. If the actual powers within the pool are respeccable, then that's not quite so bad, but most epic pools end up with at least three out of the four powers taken, so it's still a very big issue.
That's a point, actually: will the Patron powers have prerequsites, as in 'you need to take 1 or 2 before you can take 3', or not? I'd say there's a strong case for them NOT to, if they're already this tightly limited.
Actually, I was predicting major regen nerfs from before issue 1.
Ask any long time regen scrapper if they remember the phrase:
"Welcome to our world, bitches."
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The thing is... Let's face it, the level 40 power pools aren't make or break powers. They're fluff, candy. They don't change the core of your character.
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The thing is... Let's face it, the level 40 power pools aren't make or break powers. They're fluff, candy.
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What, like Indomitable Will, you mean? 
Apart from a few glimpses, we have absolutely no idea what they do. How can we write them off as fluff when we haven't seen them yet?
Any day now, the second part of the Patron previews will be up, and all this speculation will be even more academic than it already is...
Are Patron Powers level specific?
Not to be an annoyance but nowhere on the Patron Arcs little info page does it list any requirements.